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Who wants Gardner back???
3 weeks ago  ::  Nov 13, 2019 - 4:09PM #71
Jon
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Nov 12, 2019 -- 1:11PM, jimwest wrote:


Nov 12, 2019 -- 10:33AM, cleanuphtr12 wrote:


The total sum of Brett Gardner is better than the individual pieces.  We're talking about an average offensive player who provides elite defense and baserunning skills.  He's also a gritty player who gives 100% on every play.  He's a genuinely likeable player who has gotten the most out of his talent.  I really don't understand why Gardner "haters" exist.




Good summation of BG. He does play very hard, and knowledgeable Yankees fans notice and appreciate that. Why some dislike him so vehemently is mystifying.


I'm neither pro nor anti Gardner, but I value and appreciate what he brings to the table. With Judge, Stanton, and Hicks being the main 3 OFers, Gardy can adequately fill in for Hicks. Tauchman can play some LF, and some CF.


It is illogical to go out and sign a FA outfielder given the current roster.




Shaq: 38 ain't 28.


Gardner will be 37 next year.


The Yanks can do better for less.

3 weeks ago  ::  Nov 13, 2019 - 11:54PM #72
davis2
Posts: 17,487

Nov 12, 2019 -- 10:33AM, cleanuphtr12 wrote:


Nov 12, 2019 -- 10:04AM, Secretagent wrote:


Never have understood the fascination some people seem to have had with a lifetime 260 hitter with a 743 OPS and who outside of a couple of years 9 years ago has limited speed\always seemed to lack base stealing skills and instincts.  Yes he is an excellent defensive LF'er, but offensively he is nothing special and despite what some want to believe, was never very good as a lead off man in the true sense, not getting on base at an extremely high clip.  He has a good year with a juiced baseball and all of a sudden everyone thinks he really is a 28 Hr guy (he hit 12 in 2018).  On the cheap, he is certainly worth bringing back as a 4th OF type, but really there is no major justification for giving him a starting job over Tauchman at this point and attitude notwhithstanding, there probably is no reason to be starting him over Frazier in LF either imo.




This post shows me two things:



1.  You don't understand what Gardner's fans actually believe about him.


2.  You don't really understand what makes him valuable as a player.



If anyone believes that he's a true talent 28 HR hitter suddenly at age 36, they're crazy.  No one thinks that.  He's always had 15-20 HR pop and that's what he'll continue to be barring decline.  He gets on base at a roughly league average rate, takes a ton of pitches, works the pitcher well and doesn't strike out at an astronomic rate.  He's been a consistently average offensive player.


You say he's not a great baserunner, which is not true.  He's always been among the best in the league at taking the extra base and despite low speed totals he steals bases at a high clip.  As much as "he's a tentative basestealer" is a common argument against his value as a player, the Yankees' strategy for the past decade has not relied heavily on base stealing.  The flaw in your assumption is that you think he's trying to run every time he gets on base.  He's not.  He's generally glued to the base by the team.  If that were not the case, he would have stolen a lot more bases in his prime.  


You correctly pointed out that his defense has been top notch.  



The total sum of Brett Gardner is better than the individual pieces.  We're talking about an average offensive player who provides elite defense and baserunning skills.  He's also a gritty player who gives 100% on every play.  He's a genuinely likeable player who has gotten the most out of his talent.  I really don't understand why Gardner "haters" exist.



Some people will never get it.


But we that know baseball know Gardy is valuable to the Yankees.

3 weeks ago  ::  Nov 13, 2019 - 11:56PM #73
davis2
Posts: 17,487

Nov 12, 2019 -- 10:39AM, Jon wrote:


I think Gardner's time as a Yankee is done. I don't see what he can add save veteran leadership. He doesn't steal anymore. He can't bunt to save his life anymore. His OBP has plummeted. His HRs were a function of the juiced ball and there's a good chance it won't be juiced this year.


The Yanks can get the same or better production cheaper.



You know nothing about baseball.

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