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6 months ago  ::  Feb 24, 2020 - 7:23AM #41
yankoldfan
Posts: 10,017

I know the down-ballot is a concern, but if the voters are smart about what's going on at all sure should be smart enough to realize what the people in the Senate have done and it shouldn't be a hard case to cross vote and get some of these Senators out of office... Not only is donald killing this country, so are the likes of Moscow Mitch, and so many others in the Senate... There's a good chance donald is going to slime his way though the 2020 election and win because of who the Dems are voting for, but there's no reason they can't vote for a Dem in the Congress and the Senate ....

6 months ago  ::  Feb 24, 2020 - 7:48AM #42
newinn
Posts: 35,388

I'm sorry but I firmly believe you progressives are dreaming if you believe Bernie can or will get elected. I've already prpared myself for 4 more years of Trumpty Dumpty.

6 months ago  ::  Feb 24, 2020 - 10:03AM #43
prof. quiz
Posts: 8,950

Did you believe that Trumpet with all of his baggage had the slightest chance to win? Me neither yet here we are.


Bernie will kick Trumpets corrupt, self-serving phat azz 253 days from now if the young continue to feel energized and hopefull. The vast marority of the I's have had enough of the bloviating blowhards schtick.


The Rs will be Rs. A percentage have moved on but the majority of them will continue to enable and make feeble excuses for the idiot in thief.


But in the end the WH and possibly the Senate will turn blue.

6 months ago  ::  Feb 24, 2020 - 10:17AM #44
SSBob643
Posts: 3,017

Feb 24, 2020 -- 10:03AM, prof. quiz wrote:


Did you believe that Trumpet with all of his baggage had the slightest chance to win? Me neither yet here we are.


Bernie will kick Trumpets corrupt, self-serving phat azz 253 days from now if the young continue to feel energized and hopefull. The vast marority of the I's have had enough of the bloviating blowhards schtick.


The Rs will be Rs. A percentage have moved on but the majority of them will continue to enable and make feeble excuses for the idiot in thief.


But in the end the WH and possibly the Senate will turn blue.




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Independents and moderate Republicans need to turn out for whoever the Dem candidate is. A large turnout of "young" voters is just as important, and Sanders seems to be energizing them.


He recently released info re his childcare program, which will resonate with young families.

6 months ago  ::  Feb 24, 2020 - 12:33PM #45
GottaGoToMo
Posts: 79,208

Feb 24, 2020 -- 7:48AM, newinn wrote:


I'm sorry but I firmly believe you progressives are dreaming if you believe Bernie can or will get elected. I've already prpared myself for 4 more years of Trumpty Dumpty.




Trump is going to kill Sanders.

6 months ago  ::  Feb 24, 2020 - 5:01PM #46
bertram
Posts: 13,139

All Bernie is doing is going back to the roots of the modern Democratic Party, a la FDR, Truman, JFK, and LBJ.  And it's about time.  What is Sanders proposing that those guy didn't advocate for?  Combating climate change is about it.  In fact, LBJ set the upper income tax bracket at 74%.  Bernie is only asking for 50%+.  It would be better if the Reagan cuts were rolled back.

6 months ago  ::  Feb 24, 2020 - 6:34PM #47
bertram
Posts: 13,139

Case in point...  Here is JFK speaking out in favor of universal healthcare:


"...All these same arguments were made against Social Security.  Why doesn't the government mind its own business?  What is the government's business?  That is the question.  This bill serves the public interest.  It involves the government because it involves the public welfare.  The Constitution of the United States did not make the President or the Congress powerless.  It gave them definite responsibilities to advance the general welfare, and that is what we are attempting to do.


And then I read that that this bill will sap the individual self-reliance of Americans.  I can't imagine anything worse to sap someone's self-reliance than to be sick, alone, broke...or to save for a lifetime and put it all out in a week, two weeks, a month, or two months...  This argument that the government should stay out, that it saps our pioneer stock...I used to hear that argument when we were talking about raising the minimum wage to a dollar and a quarter.  The fact of the matter is what saps anyone's self-reliance is working 60 hours at straight time while working at 85 cents, 95 cents or a dollar an hour.


And in the entire cost of medicine for people of all ages, all the doctors, and the choice of doctors and hospitals from the time you are born to the time you die are included in a government program...we are now talking about doing what most of the countries of Europe did years ago.  The British did it thirty years ago.  We are behind every country pretty nearly in Europe in this matter of medical care for our citizens..."


And now, so many years later...and after so much needless suffering and early deaths...it again falls on Democrats to bring this before the people.  The Republican leadership has never wanted healthcare reform.  They gave it lip service for awhile, but when it came time to compromise with Obama and the Dems on one of their own think tank's reform proposals, they adamantly fought against it and for the unsustainable status quo.  Once passed, they have spent a decade trying to weaken and dismantle the ACA without a Plan B to replace it.

6 months ago  ::  Feb 24, 2020 - 7:16PM #48
louisiana_lightning
Posts: 19,165

Feb 24, 2020 -- 6:34PM, bertram wrote:


Case in point...  Here is JFK speaking out in favor of universal healthcare:


"...All these same arguments were made against Social Security.  Why doesn't the government mind its own business?  What is the government's business?  That is the question.  This bill serves the public interest.  It involves the government because it involves the public welfare.  The Constitution of the United States did not make the President or the Congress powerless.  It gave them definite responsibilities to advance the general welfare, and that is what we are attempting to do.


And then I read that that this bill will sap the individual self-reliance of Americans.  I can't imagine anything worse to sap someone's self-reliance than to be sick, alone, broke...or to save for a lifetime and put it all out in a week, two weeks, a month, or two months...  This argument that the government should stay out, that it saps our pioneer stock...I used to hear that argument when we were talking about raising the minimum wage to a dollar and a quarter.  The fact of the matter is what saps anyone's self-reliance is working 60 hours at straight time while working at 85 cents, 95 cents or a dollar an hour.


And in the entire cost of medicine for people of all ages, all the doctors, and the choice of doctors and hospitals from the time you are born to the time you die are included in a government program...we are now talking about doing what most of the countries of Europe did years ago.  The British did it thirty years ago.  We are behind every country pretty nearly in Europe in this matter of medical care for our citizens..."


And now, so many years later...and after so much needless suffering and early deaths...it again falls on Democrats to bring this before the people.  The Republican leadership has never wanted healthcare reform.  They gave it lip service for awhile, but when it came time to compromise with Obama and the Dems on one of their own think tank's reform proposals, they adamantly fought against it and for the unsustainable status quo.  Once passed, they have spent a decade trying to weaken and dismantle the ACA without a Plan B to replace it.




I don't buy it.  There is always a cost and someone always pays.  The more collectivism that is enacted the more I will push for a reduction in services, socialism is followed by austerity when the numbers don't add up.  Really what difference does it make?  As the progressive economist Milton Keynes said, "In the long run we are all dead."  Let's not saddle future generations with our cost overruns.

6 months ago  ::  Feb 24, 2020 - 8:21PM #49
Judge
Posts: 4,221

Feb 24, 2020 -- 12:33PM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Feb 24, 2020 -- 7:48AM, newinn wrote:


I'm sorry but I firmly believe you progressives are dreaming if you believe Bernie can or will get elected. I've already prpared myself for 4 more years of Trumpty Dumpty.




Trump is going to kill Sanders.




Amen sister.

6 months ago  ::  Feb 25, 2020 - 9:44AM #50
bertram
Posts: 13,139

Feb 24, 2020 -- 7:16PM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


Feb 24, 2020 -- 6:34PM, bertram wrote:


Case in point...  Here is JFK speaking out in favor of universal healthcare:


"...All these same arguments were made against Social Security.  Why doesn't the government mind its own business?  What is the government's business?  That is the question.  This bill serves the public interest.  It involves the government because it involves the public welfare.  The Constitution of the United States did not make the President or the Congress powerless.  It gave them definite responsibilities to advance the general welfare, and that is what we are attempting to do.


And then I read that that this bill will sap the individual self-reliance of Americans.  I can't imagine anything worse to sap someone's self-reliance than to be sick, alone, broke...or to save for a lifetime and put it all out in a week, two weeks, a month, or two months...  This argument that the government should stay out, that it saps our pioneer stock...I used to hear that argument when we were talking about raising the minimum wage to a dollar and a quarter.  The fact of the matter is what saps anyone's self-reliance is working 60 hours at straight time while working at 85 cents, 95 cents or a dollar an hour.


And in the entire cost of medicine for people of all ages, all the doctors, and the choice of doctors and hospitals from the time you are born to the time you die are included in a government program...we are now talking about doing what most of the countries of Europe did years ago.  The British did it thirty years ago.  We are behind every country pretty nearly in Europe in this matter of medical care for our citizens..."


And now, so many years later...and after so much needless suffering and early deaths...it again falls on Democrats to bring this before the people.  The Republican leadership has never wanted healthcare reform.  They gave it lip service for awhile, but when it came time to compromise with Obama and the Dems on one of their own think tank's reform proposals, they adamantly fought against it and for the unsustainable status quo.  Once passed, they have spent a decade trying to weaken and dismantle the ACA without a Plan B to replace it.




I don't buy it.  There is always a cost and someone always pays.  The more collectivism that is enacted the more I will push for a reduction in services, socialism is followed by austerity when the numbers don't add up.  Really what difference does it make?  As the progressive economist Milton Keynes said, "In the long run we are all dead."  Let's not saddle future generations with our cost overruns.




More ironic drivel from the guy who supports Trump and the Party that passed the 2017 tax scam that will burden our children and grandchildren with massive additions to the deficit/debt and will sunset on the middle class while continuing to pump up the 1%'ers and large corporations.

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