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6 months ago  ::  Feb 25, 2020 - 10:44AM #51
yankoldfan
Posts: 10,017

Feb 24, 2020 -- 7:16PM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


Feb 24, 2020 -- 6:34PM, bertram wrote:


Case in point...  Here is JFK speaking out in favor of universal healthcare:


"...All these same arguments were made against Social Security.  Why doesn't the government mind its own business?  What is the government's business?  That is the question.  This bill serves the public interest.  It involves the government because it involves the public welfare.  The Constitution of the United States did not make the President or the Congress powerless.  It gave them definite responsibilities to advance the general welfare, and that is what we are attempting to do.


And then I read that that this bill will sap the individual self-reliance of Americans.  I can't imagine anything worse to sap someone's self-reliance than to be sick, alone, broke...or to save for a lifetime and put it all out in a week, two weeks, a month, or two months...  This argument that the government should stay out, that it saps our pioneer stock...I used to hear that argument when we were talking about raising the minimum wage to a dollar and a quarter.  The fact of the matter is what saps anyone's self-reliance is working 60 hours at straight time while working at 85 cents, 95 cents or a dollar an hour.


And in the entire cost of medicine for people of all ages, all the doctors, and the choice of doctors and hospitals from the time you are born to the time you die are included in a government program...we are now talking about doing what most of the countries of Europe did years ago.  The British did it thirty years ago.  We are behind every country pretty nearly in Europe in this matter of medical care for our citizens..."


And now, so many years later...and after so much needless suffering and early deaths...it again falls on Democrats to bring this before the people.  The Republican leadership has never wanted healthcare reform.  They gave it lip service for awhile, but when it came time to compromise with Obama and the Dems on one of their own think tank's reform proposals, they adamantly fought against it and for the unsustainable status quo.  Once passed, they have spent a decade trying to weaken and dismantle the ACA without a Plan B to replace it.




I don't buy it.  There is always a cost and someone always pays.  The more collectivism that is enacted the more I will push for a reduction in services, socialism is followed by austerity when the numbers don't add up.  Really what difference does it make?  As the progressive economist Milton Keynes said, "In the long run we are all dead."  Let's not saddle future generations with our cost overruns.




There's is always a cost and someone always pays... The problem with that is you cons always want the poor/middle class to pay more than the rich who can afford more than the poor and the middle class... Even worse, if they can't pay the hell with them... The rich know they can always pay their own way but the same can't be said for the poor and a lot of the middle class... So the hell with them as a con always says, you're going to die anyways, you just as well die and that way we don't have to take care of them... The cons worry so much about abortion, but don't give a damn after they're born....

6 months ago  ::  Feb 25, 2020 - 10:45AM #52
bertram
Posts: 13,139

Feb 25, 2020 -- 10:44AM, yankoldfan wrote:


Feb 24, 2020 -- 7:16PM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


Feb 24, 2020 -- 6:34PM, bertram wrote:


Case in point...  Here is JFK speaking out in favor of universal healthcare:


"...All these same arguments were made against Social Security.  Why doesn't the government mind its own business?  What is the government's business?  That is the question.  This bill serves the public interest.  It involves the government because it involves the public welfare.  The Constitution of the United States did not make the President or the Congress powerless.  It gave them definite responsibilities to advance the general welfare, and that is what we are attempting to do.


And then I read that that this bill will sap the individual self-reliance of Americans.  I can't imagine anything worse to sap someone's self-reliance than to be sick, alone, broke...or to save for a lifetime and put it all out in a week, two weeks, a month, or two months...  This argument that the government should stay out, that it saps our pioneer stock...I used to hear that argument when we were talking about raising the minimum wage to a dollar and a quarter.  The fact of the matter is what saps anyone's self-reliance is working 60 hours at straight time while working at 85 cents, 95 cents or a dollar an hour.


And in the entire cost of medicine for people of all ages, all the doctors, and the choice of doctors and hospitals from the time you are born to the time you die are included in a government program...we are now talking about doing what most of the countries of Europe did years ago.  The British did it thirty years ago.  We are behind every country pretty nearly in Europe in this matter of medical care for our citizens..."


And now, so many years later...and after so much needless suffering and early deaths...it again falls on Democrats to bring this before the people.  The Republican leadership has never wanted healthcare reform.  They gave it lip service for awhile, but when it came time to compromise with Obama and the Dems on one of their own think tank's reform proposals, they adamantly fought against it and for the unsustainable status quo.  Once passed, they have spent a decade trying to weaken and dismantle the ACA without a Plan B to replace it.




I don't buy it.  There is always a cost and someone always pays.  The more collectivism that is enacted the more I will push for a reduction in services, socialism is followed by austerity when the numbers don't add up.  Really what difference does it make?  As the progressive economist Milton Keynes said, "In the long run we are all dead."  Let's not saddle future generations with our cost overruns.




There's is always a cost and someone always pays... The problem with that is you cons always want the poor/middle class to pay more than the rich who can afford more than the poor and the middle class... Even worse, if they can't pay the hell with them... The rich know they can always pay their own way but the same can't be said for the poor and a lot of the middle class... So the hell with them as a con always says, you're going to die anyways, you just as well die and that way we don't have to take care of them... The cons worry so much about abortion, but don't give a damn after they're born....




Today's GOP: Survival of the Economically Fittest

6 months ago  ::  Feb 25, 2020 - 10:49AM #53
NW
Posts: 2,268

Feb 25, 2020 -- 10:44AM, yankoldfan wrote:


Feb 24, 2020 -- 7:16PM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


Feb 24, 2020 -- 6:34PM, bertram wrote:


Case in point...  Here is JFK speaking out in favor of universal healthcare:


"...All these same arguments were made against Social Security.  Why doesn't the government mind its own business?  What is the government's business?  That is the question.  This bill serves the public interest.  It involves the government because it involves the public welfare.  The Constitution of the United States did not make the President or the Congress powerless.  It gave them definite responsibilities to advance the general welfare, and that is what we are attempting to do.


And then I read that that this bill will sap the individual self-reliance of Americans.  I can't imagine anything worse to sap someone's self-reliance than to be sick, alone, broke...or to save for a lifetime and put it all out in a week, two weeks, a month, or two months...  This argument that the government should stay out, that it saps our pioneer stock...I used to hear that argument when we were talking about raising the minimum wage to a dollar and a quarter.  The fact of the matter is what saps anyone's self-reliance is working 60 hours at straight time while working at 85 cents, 95 cents or a dollar an hour.


And in the entire cost of medicine for people of all ages, all the doctors, and the choice of doctors and hospitals from the time you are born to the time you die are included in a government program...we are now talking about doing what most of the countries of Europe did years ago.  The British did it thirty years ago.  We are behind every country pretty nearly in Europe in this matter of medical care for our citizens..."


And now, so many years later...and after so much needless suffering and early deaths...it again falls on Democrats to bring this before the people.  The Republican leadership has never wanted healthcare reform.  They gave it lip service for awhile, but when it came time to compromise with Obama and the Dems on one of their own think tank's reform proposals, they adamantly fought against it and for the unsustainable status quo.  Once passed, they have spent a decade trying to weaken and dismantle the ACA without a Plan B to replace it.




I don't buy it.  There is always a cost and someone always pays.  The more collectivism that is enacted the more I will push for a reduction in services, socialism is followed by austerity when the numbers don't add up.  Really what difference does it make?  As the progressive economist Milton Keynes said, "In the long run we are all dead."  Let's not saddle future generations with our cost overruns.




There's is always a cost and someone always pays... The problem with that is you cons always want the poor/middle class to pay more than the rich who can afford more than the poor and the middle class... Even worse, if they can't pay the hell with them... The rich know they can always pay their own way but the same can't be said for the poor and a lot of the middle class... So the hell with them as a con always says, you're going to die anyways, you just as well die and that way we don't have to take care of them... The cons worry so much about abortion, but don't give a damn after they're born....




There is a cost and someone always pays.  You're damn straight.  That is what America is all about; having the opportunity to be successful and pay for your damn self.

6 months ago  ::  Feb 25, 2020 - 10:59AM #54
yankoldfan
Posts: 10,017

Feb 25, 2020 -- 10:49AM, NW wrote:


Feb 25, 2020 -- 10:44AM, yankoldfan wrote:


Feb 24, 2020 -- 7:16PM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


Feb 24, 2020 -- 6:34PM, bertram wrote:


Case in point...  Here is JFK speaking out in favor of universal healthcare:


"...All these same arguments were made against Social Security.  Why doesn't the government mind its own business?  What is the government's business?  That is the question.  This bill serves the public interest.  It involves the government because it involves the public welfare.  The Constitution of the United States did not make the President or the Congress powerless.  It gave them definite responsibilities to advance the general welfare, and that is what we are attempting to do.


And then I read that that this bill will sap the individual self-reliance of Americans.  I can't imagine anything worse to sap someone's self-reliance than to be sick, alone, broke...or to save for a lifetime and put it all out in a week, two weeks, a month, or two months...  This argument that the government should stay out, that it saps our pioneer stock...I used to hear that argument when we were talking about raising the minimum wage to a dollar and a quarter.  The fact of the matter is what saps anyone's self-reliance is working 60 hours at straight time while working at 85 cents, 95 cents or a dollar an hour.


And in the entire cost of medicine for people of all ages, all the doctors, and the choice of doctors and hospitals from the time you are born to the time you die are included in a government program...we are now talking about doing what most of the countries of Europe did years ago.  The British did it thirty years ago.  We are behind every country pretty nearly in Europe in this matter of medical care for our citizens..."


And now, so many years later...and after so much needless suffering and early deaths...it again falls on Democrats to bring this before the people.  The Republican leadership has never wanted healthcare reform.  They gave it lip service for awhile, but when it came time to compromise with Obama and the Dems on one of their own think tank's reform proposals, they adamantly fought against it and for the unsustainable status quo.  Once passed, they have spent a decade trying to weaken and dismantle the ACA without a Plan B to replace it.




I don't buy it.  There is always a cost and someone always pays.  The more collectivism that is enacted the more I will push for a reduction in services, socialism is followed by austerity when the numbers don't add up.  Really what difference does it make?  As the progressive economist Milton Keynes said, "In the long run we are all dead."  Let's not saddle future generations with our cost overruns.




There's is always a cost and someone always pays... The problem with that is you cons always want the poor/middle class to pay more than the rich who can afford more than the poor and the middle class... Even worse, if they can't pay the hell with them... The rich know they can always pay their own way but the same can't be said for the poor and a lot of the middle class... So the hell with them as a con always says, you're going to die anyways, you just as well die and that way we don't have to take care of them... The cons worry so much about abortion, but don't give a damn after they're born....




There is a cost and someone always pays.  You're damn straight.  That is what America is all about; having the opportunity to be successful and pay for your damn self.




That's fine, but start paying your share... Getting your a$$ in a little hissy NW ??? Why don't you give up your insurance and pay your own health care costs ?? Yes you can afford your insurance premiums but what about the one's that can't ?? Just for $hits and giggles, do you pay all your own insurance or does your boss pay for it ?? Get out from under that rock and see how the other half of the world lives...

6 months ago  ::  Feb 25, 2020 - 11:02AM #55
NW
Posts: 2,268

Feb 25, 2020 -- 10:59AM, yankoldfan wrote:


Feb 25, 2020 -- 10:49AM, NW wrote:


Feb 25, 2020 -- 10:44AM, yankoldfan wrote:


Feb 24, 2020 -- 7:16PM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


Feb 24, 2020 -- 6:34PM, bertram wrote:


Case in point...  Here is JFK speaking out in favor of universal healthcare:


"...All these same arguments were made against Social Security.  Why doesn't the government mind its own business?  What is the government's business?  That is the question.  This bill serves the public interest.  It involves the government because it involves the public welfare.  The Constitution of the United States did not make the President or the Congress powerless.  It gave them definite responsibilities to advance the general welfare, and that is what we are attempting to do.


And then I read that that this bill will sap the individual self-reliance of Americans.  I can't imagine anything worse to sap someone's self-reliance than to be sick, alone, broke...or to save for a lifetime and put it all out in a week, two weeks, a month, or two months...  This argument that the government should stay out, that it saps our pioneer stock...I used to hear that argument when we were talking about raising the minimum wage to a dollar and a quarter.  The fact of the matter is what saps anyone's self-reliance is working 60 hours at straight time while working at 85 cents, 95 cents or a dollar an hour.


And in the entire cost of medicine for people of all ages, all the doctors, and the choice of doctors and hospitals from the time you are born to the time you die are included in a government program...we are now talking about doing what most of the countries of Europe did years ago.  The British did it thirty years ago.  We are behind every country pretty nearly in Europe in this matter of medical care for our citizens..."


And now, so many years later...and after so much needless suffering and early deaths...it again falls on Democrats to bring this before the people.  The Republican leadership has never wanted healthcare reform.  They gave it lip service for awhile, but when it came time to compromise with Obama and the Dems on one of their own think tank's reform proposals, they adamantly fought against it and for the unsustainable status quo.  Once passed, they have spent a decade trying to weaken and dismantle the ACA without a Plan B to replace it.




I don't buy it.  There is always a cost and someone always pays.  The more collectivism that is enacted the more I will push for a reduction in services, socialism is followed by austerity when the numbers don't add up.  Really what difference does it make?  As the progressive economist Milton Keynes said, "In the long run we are all dead."  Let's not saddle future generations with our cost overruns.




There's is always a cost and someone always pays... The problem with that is you cons always want the poor/middle class to pay more than the rich who can afford more than the poor and the middle class... Even worse, if they can't pay the hell with them... The rich know they can always pay their own way but the same can't be said for the poor and a lot of the middle class... So the hell with them as a con always says, you're going to die anyways, you just as well die and that way we don't have to take care of them... The cons worry so much about abortion, but don't give a damn after they're born....




There is a cost and someone always pays.  You're damn straight.  That is what America is all about; having the opportunity to be successful and pay for your damn self.




That's fine, but start paying your share... Getting your a$$ in a little hissy NW ??? Why don't you give up your insurance and pay your own health care costs ?? Yes you can afford your insurance premiums but what about the one's that can't ?? Just for $hits and giggles, do you pay all your own insurance or does your boss pay for it ?? Get out from under that rock and see how the other half of the world lives...




I pay plenty of my share and I pay for my health insurance that I've worked to earn.  If you can't afford your insurance premiums, that's not my problem.  You have the opportunity to work yourself into a position where you can afford them.  Heck, you can get a job as a janitor at a hospital and be represented by SEIU and get your health coverage for free.  

6 months ago  ::  Feb 25, 2020 - 11:08AM #56
yankoldfan
Posts: 10,017

Feb 25, 2020 -- 11:02AM, NW wrote:


Feb 25, 2020 -- 10:59AM, yankoldfan wrote:


Feb 25, 2020 -- 10:49AM, NW wrote:


Feb 25, 2020 -- 10:44AM, yankoldfan wrote:


Feb 24, 2020 -- 7:16PM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


Feb 24, 2020 -- 6:34PM, bertram wrote:


Case in point...  Here is JFK speaking out in favor of universal healthcare:


"...All these same arguments were made against Social Security.  Why doesn't the government mind its own business?  What is the government's business?  That is the question.  This bill serves the public interest.  It involves the government because it involves the public welfare.  The Constitution of the United States did not make the President or the Congress powerless.  It gave them definite responsibilities to advance the general welfare, and that is what we are attempting to do.


And then I read that that this bill will sap the individual self-reliance of Americans.  I can't imagine anything worse to sap someone's self-reliance than to be sick, alone, broke...or to save for a lifetime and put it all out in a week, two weeks, a month, or two months...  This argument that the government should stay out, that it saps our pioneer stock...I used to hear that argument when we were talking about raising the minimum wage to a dollar and a quarter.  The fact of the matter is what saps anyone's self-reliance is working 60 hours at straight time while working at 85 cents, 95 cents or a dollar an hour.


And in the entire cost of medicine for people of all ages, all the doctors, and the choice of doctors and hospitals from the time you are born to the time you die are included in a government program...we are now talking about doing what most of the countries of Europe did years ago.  The British did it thirty years ago.  We are behind every country pretty nearly in Europe in this matter of medical care for our citizens..."


And now, so many years later...and after so much needless suffering and early deaths...it again falls on Democrats to bring this before the people.  The Republican leadership has never wanted healthcare reform.  They gave it lip service for awhile, but when it came time to compromise with Obama and the Dems on one of their own think tank's reform proposals, they adamantly fought against it and for the unsustainable status quo.  Once passed, they have spent a decade trying to weaken and dismantle the ACA without a Plan B to replace it.




I don't buy it.  There is always a cost and someone always pays.  The more collectivism that is enacted the more I will push for a reduction in services, socialism is followed by austerity when the numbers don't add up.  Really what difference does it make?  As the progressive economist Milton Keynes said, "In the long run we are all dead."  Let's not saddle future generations with our cost overruns.




There's is always a cost and someone always pays... The problem with that is you cons always want the poor/middle class to pay more than the rich who can afford more than the poor and the middle class... Even worse, if they can't pay the hell with them... The rich know they can always pay their own way but the same can't be said for the poor and a lot of the middle class... So the hell with them as a con always says, you're going to die anyways, you just as well die and that way we don't have to take care of them... The cons worry so much about abortion, but don't give a damn after they're born....




There is a cost and someone always pays.  You're damn straight.  That is what America is all about; having the opportunity to be successful and pay for your damn self.




That's fine, but start paying your share... Getting your a$$ in a little hissy NW ??? Why don't you give up your insurance and pay your own health care costs ?? Yes you can afford your insurance premiums but what about the one's that can't ?? Just for $hits and giggles, do you pay all your own insurance or does your boss pay for it ?? Get out from under that rock and see how the other half of the world lives...




I pay plenty of my share and I pay for my health insurance that I've worked to earn.  If you can't afford your insurance premiums, that's not my problem.  You have the opportunity to work yourself into a position where you can afford them.  Heck, you can get a job as a janitor at a hospital and be represented by SEIU and get your health coverage for free.  




You have no idea what paying for your own insurance is, like I said your boss has paid your insurance most likely from day one... Again not everyone has that privilege... Get out from under that rock NW !!!

6 months ago  ::  Feb 25, 2020 - 11:09AM #57
SSBob643
Posts: 3,017

Feb 25, 2020 -- 11:02AM, NW wrote:


I pay plenty of my share and I pay for my health insurance that I've worked to earn.  




~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


So, which is it? You pay "your share" or all? 


Being the "libertarian" you are, why don't you opt out of your employer provided health insurance, take the amount that is deducted from your paycheck in salary to pay "your share", and buy your own health insurance? Pay for your damn self.

6 months ago  ::  Feb 25, 2020 - 11:10AM #58
NY23
Posts: 9,287

 pay for your damn self


More to the point, while more than 170 billion dollars is expended on assorted varieties of corporate welfare the federal government spends 11 billion dollars on Aid for Dependent Children.


6 months ago  ::  Feb 25, 2020 - 11:12AM #59
NW
Posts: 2,268

Feb 25, 2020 -- 11:09AM, SSBob643 wrote:


Feb 25, 2020 -- 11:02AM, NW wrote:


I pay plenty of my share and I pay for my health insurance that I've worked to earn.  




~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


So, which is it? You pay "your share" or all? 


Being the "libertarian" you are, why don't you opt out of your employer provided health insurance, take the amount that is deducted from your paycheck in salary to pay "your share", and buy your own health insurance? 




Because, you fool, I earn my health insurance through my work.  That's part of what I choose to do.

6 months ago  ::  Feb 25, 2020 - 11:13AM #60
NW
Posts: 2,268

Feb 25, 2020 -- 11:10AM, NY23 wrote:


 pay for your damn self


More to the point, while more than 170 billion dollars is expended on assorted varieties of corporate welfare the federal government spends 11 billion dollars on Aid for Dependent Children.





Both of those numbers should be 0.  There's no reason for us to be spending government money to support corporations.  There's also no reason we should be spending money on dependent children.  If you can't afford a child, don't get ****ing pregnant or get someone pregnant.

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