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3 months ago  ::  Oct 16, 2020 - 2:35PM #161
SSBob
Posts: 6,775

Gio's my wife's favorite player...she thinks he's cute. My sister-in-law loved Pettitte...primarily because of the way he peered over his glove when getting the signs.

3 months ago  ::  Oct 16, 2020 - 2:43PM #162
GottaGoToMo
Posts: 81,054

Oct 16, 2020 -- 2:32PM, newinn wrote:


Oct 16, 2020 -- 2:29PM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Oct 16, 2020 -- 2:25PM, newinn wrote:


Oct 16, 2020 -- 2:21PM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Oct 16, 2020 -- 2:15PM, newinn wrote:


Oct 16, 2020 -- 2:08PM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Oct 16, 2020 -- 2:06PM, newinn wrote:


Oct 16, 2020 -- 2:03PM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Oct 16, 2020 -- 2:01PM, newinn wrote:


Oct 16, 2020 -- 1:55PM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Oct 16, 2020 -- 1:44PM, newinn wrote:


In baseball, I was never big on evaluating a players career based on what they did in the playoffs. I think moments are big and exciting in the playoffs but if careers were evaluated based on that guys like Brian Doyle and Arron Boone would have plaques in monument park.


I know I'm in a big minority here but I think what the Yankees have done by being highly competitve year after year since 1995 is more entertaining to me then  post season success. The best teams frequently lose in the playoffs where in the NBA, the best teams almost always win in the playoffs. Anyone here think the Braves are a better team then the Dodgers?


All I know is I have something enjoyable to watch almost every night from March tthrough some part of Oct. Winning the World Series is just the icing on a very beautiful cake. Life is good




Yankees have always been judged by what they do in the post-season ... that's a proven fact ... just think of A-Rod.




I respect your opinion but don't neccessarily agree with it. One of the all time great Yankees, Don Mattingly barely had a post season career




That wasn't his fault.




of course not. Mo I'm only speaking for myself. I never hated Arod for his postseason failures but I understand how others measure Yankee careers based on the post season. I'm just not one of them. 




I agree with you ... I don't judge a Yankee by their post-season stats ... but when someone is trying to make Voit the face of the franchise because of one 60 game good season, I then went to look at post-season ... it was based on chl saying Voit was the face of the franchise ... or making reference that he could be.




Yeah, I don't go for pitting player against player. We all have our favorites but we don't have to root for them at the expense of another player. Frankly I thought the whole Voit as the face of the franchise argument was ridiculous. I think the whole 'captain" thing is ridiculous. Thought it was with Jeter also. For me, I couldn't care less. 




Well I've always been a Judge fan ... and when someone comes on the board trying to say that Voit is better than Judge based on a 60 game season ... and I've seen what Judge can do in a regular season and in post-game, I take a huge deference to that.  I like Voit ... but what chl posted was just wrong.




well you can like Judge and he can like Voit. 




I just read an article in the Post and it was referenced that Judge is the face of the franchise ... so he can take his Voit love and stick it where the sun don't shine ... I always liked Voit, but it's people like him that start to put a bad taste in your mouth for a player.




Honest Mo. I never cared about the captain, face of the franchise, core four stuff. It's marketing ploys the teams use. I like winning and I like everyone on the team contributing. Hell Gardy has been my favorite player and he was never anywhere near the best player or any of those other things. The players respected him for his leadership in the clubhouse ant that was good enough for me




Took me a while, but I eventually became a Gardy fan ... actually a big fan ... he has a swagger to him that I like and he has been great as a leader on the team.  I'm into who is the face of the franchise ... and Captain ... always have been ... just another way to enjoy the game for me ... I like the whole enchilada, so to speak.

3 months ago  ::  Oct 16, 2020 - 2:43PM #163
jimwest
Posts: 3,223

Oct 16, 2020 -- 2:00PM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Oct 16, 2020 -- 1:58PM, jimwest wrote:


Oct 16, 2020 -- 1:11PM, Chuck wrote:


Oct 16, 2020 -- 12:57PM, chl45 wrote:


Oct 16, 2020 -- 12:50PM, Chuck wrote:


Luke Voit has a career .214 batting average in the playoffs. 




The discussion was about the 2020 season not the playoffs. What was the team batting average in the 2020 playoffs if you don't mind me asking. I'd be curious about that. I looked but couldn't find it.




The discussion was about the 2020 season not the playoffs. What was Luke Voit's batting average in the 2020 playoffs if you don't mind me asking? I am not curious about that. I looked and found it. 




In the playoffs, Voit batted .429 in the 2020 ALWC series, .111 in the ALDS.


Judge batted .111 in the WC series, .143 in the DS.


Voit had a better WC series than Judge, AJ had 3 HR's in the WC/DS, Voit had 1 HR. Neither was productive overall in the DS.


Not sure why we are having this discussion. I like both players. It isn't an either/or dynamic.




Chl made it either or by saying that Voit could be the face of the franchise when we all know that with the Judge's Corners, Judge has already been bestowed that honor.


You also fail to state that Judge had 3 homeruns all of which were clutch ... doesn't show in the numbers you put out.  Voit had one homerun ... the homerun leader couldn't get it done in the playoffs.




In the WC series, Judge hit a 2 run homer in the first inning of game 1. That was his only hit in the 2 games. While I see that HR as valuable, I don't see a first inning homer as clutch.


Voit did get it done in the ALWC, batting .429. It isn't all about home runs, other hits and walks count as well. Frankly, if it wasn't for Voit (and DJLM) carrying the team while Stanton and Judge were out a long time with injuries, the Yankees would have finished behind Toronto, maybe even Houston. 

3 months ago  ::  Oct 16, 2020 - 2:46PM #164
GottaGoToMo
Posts: 81,054

Oct 16, 2020 -- 2:43PM, jimwest wrote:


Oct 16, 2020 -- 2:00PM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Oct 16, 2020 -- 1:58PM, jimwest wrote:


Oct 16, 2020 -- 1:11PM, Chuck wrote:


Oct 16, 2020 -- 12:57PM, chl45 wrote:


Oct 16, 2020 -- 12:50PM, Chuck wrote:


Luke Voit has a career .214 batting average in the playoffs. 




The discussion was about the 2020 season not the playoffs. What was the team batting average in the 2020 playoffs if you don't mind me asking. I'd be curious about that. I looked but couldn't find it.




The discussion was about the 2020 season not the playoffs. What was Luke Voit's batting average in the 2020 playoffs if you don't mind me asking? I am not curious about that. I looked and found it. 




In the playoffs, Voit batted .429 in the 2020 ALWC series, .111 in the ALDS.


Judge batted .111 in the WC series, .143 in the DS.


Voit had a better WC series than Judge, AJ had 3 HR's in the WC/DS, Voit had 1 HR. Neither was productive overall in the DS.


Not sure why we are having this discussion. I like both players. It isn't an either/or dynamic.




Chl made it either or by saying that Voit could be the face of the franchise when we all know that with the Judge's Corners, Judge has already been bestowed that honor.


You also fail to state that Judge had 3 homeruns all of which were clutch ... doesn't show in the numbers you put out.  Voit had one homerun ... the homerun leader couldn't get it done in the playoffs.




In the WC series, Judge hit a 2 run homer in the first inning of game 1. That was his only hit in the 2 games. While I see that HR as valuable, I don't see a first inning homer as clutch.


Voit did get it done in the ALWC, batting .429. It isn't all about home runs, other hits and walks count as well. Frankly, if it wasn't for Voit (and DJLM) carrying the team while Stanton and Judge were out a long time with injuries, the Yankees would have finished behind Toronto, maybe even Houston. 




Why don't you talk about the other two home runs Judge hit ... they don't exist?


Batting average doesn't mean as much as it once did ... it's when you get the hits that counts.


I'm glad Voit had a good season, just didn't like the question is he now the face of the franchise ... that's going too far in my opinion.

3 months ago  ::  Oct 16, 2020 - 2:47PM #165
newinn
Posts: 36,412

Oct 16, 2020 -- 2:32PM, chl45 wrote:


OMG can anyone read for comprehension on here??? No one pitted anyone against another. I asked a question. Has Luke Voit become the face of the Yankees. All of it in regard to the damn media interviewing him on ESPN and 4 other stations the past few days. What the hell is with the twisting the whole idea of the post anyway? Are you people that hateful of me that you actually ignore what I write and try and make mountains out of molehills? Jesus chill the f out! Learn what the hell something means that is written and the context of the entire meaning behind the post. Something wrong somewhere with some of you. Some of you are twisting the meaning what I said. It is about Luke being interviewed more than the other players most likely because the Yankees are called the Bronx bombers and Luke won the HR title. Holy cow!!! Never mind.




the entire meaning is you want to continue to make Luke out to be some kind of superstar so you can pat yourself on the back for being the first one to spot it. I believe that is the context of these "ain't Luke just peachy keen" posts. That's the way I see it. Maybe I'm worng but to me that how it appears

3 months ago  ::  Oct 16, 2020 - 2:48PM #166
GottaGoToMo
Posts: 81,054

Oct 16, 2020 -- 2:32PM, chl45 wrote:


OMG can anyone read for comprehension on here??? No one pitted anyone against another. I asked a question. Has Luke Voit become the face of the Yankees. All of it in regard to the damn media interviewing him on ESPN and 4 other stations the past few days. What the hell is with the twisting the whole idea of the post anyway? Are you people that hateful of me that you actually ignore what I write and try and make mountains out of molehills? Jesus chill the f out! Learn what the hell something means that is written and the context of the entire meaning behind the post. Something wrong somewhere with some of you. Some of you are twisting the meaning what I said. It is about Luke being interviewed more than the other players most likely because the Yankees are called the Bronx bombers and Luke won the HR title. Holy cow!!! Never mind.




I know you asked a question ... but a question is not just a question when you surround it with information as to why you think he should be.  You always go crazy when someone has a disagreement with you ... you need to take a chill pill.

3 months ago  ::  Oct 16, 2020 - 2:49PM #167
GottaGoToMo
Posts: 81,054

Oct 16, 2020 -- 2:47PM, newinn wrote:


Oct 16, 2020 -- 2:32PM, chl45 wrote:


OMG can anyone read for comprehension on here??? No one pitted anyone against another. I asked a question. Has Luke Voit become the face of the Yankees. All of it in regard to the damn media interviewing him on ESPN and 4 other stations the past few days. What the hell is with the twisting the whole idea of the post anyway? Are you people that hateful of me that you actually ignore what I write and try and make mountains out of molehills? Jesus chill the f out! Learn what the hell something means that is written and the context of the entire meaning behind the post. Something wrong somewhere with some of you. Some of you are twisting the meaning what I said. It is about Luke being interviewed more than the other players most likely because the Yankees are called the Bronx bombers and Luke won the HR title. Holy cow!!! Never mind.




the entire meaning is you want to continue to make Luke out to be some kind of superstar so you can pat yourself on the back for being the first one to spot it. I believe that is the context of these "ain't Luke just peachy keen" posts. That's the way I see it. Maybe I'm worng but to me that how it appears




That's exactly what it is.

3 months ago  ::  Oct 16, 2020 - 2:49PM #168
newinn
Posts: 36,412

Oct 16, 2020 -- 2:43PM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Oct 16, 2020 -- 2:32PM, newinn wrote:


Oct 16, 2020 -- 2:29PM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Oct 16, 2020 -- 2:25PM, newinn wrote:


Oct 16, 2020 -- 2:21PM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Oct 16, 2020 -- 2:15PM, newinn wrote:


Oct 16, 2020 -- 2:08PM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Oct 16, 2020 -- 2:06PM, newinn wrote:


Oct 16, 2020 -- 2:03PM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Oct 16, 2020 -- 2:01PM, newinn wrote:


Oct 16, 2020 -- 1:55PM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Oct 16, 2020 -- 1:44PM, newinn wrote:


In baseball, I was never big on evaluating a players career based on what they did in the playoffs. I think moments are big and exciting in the playoffs but if careers were evaluated based on that guys like Brian Doyle and Arron Boone would have plaques in monument park.


I know I'm in a big minority here but I think what the Yankees have done by being highly competitve year after year since 1995 is more entertaining to me then  post season success. The best teams frequently lose in the playoffs where in the NBA, the best teams almost always win in the playoffs. Anyone here think the Braves are a better team then the Dodgers?


All I know is I have something enjoyable to watch almost every night from March tthrough some part of Oct. Winning the World Series is just the icing on a very beautiful cake. Life is good




Yankees have always been judged by what they do in the post-season ... that's a proven fact ... just think of A-Rod.




I respect your opinion but don't neccessarily agree with it. One of the all time great Yankees, Don Mattingly barely had a post season career




That wasn't his fault.




of course not. Mo I'm only speaking for myself. I never hated Arod for his postseason failures but I understand how others measure Yankee careers based on the post season. I'm just not one of them. 




I agree with you ... I don't judge a Yankee by their post-season stats ... but when someone is trying to make Voit the face of the franchise because of one 60 game good season, I then went to look at post-season ... it was based on chl saying Voit was the face of the franchise ... or making reference that he could be.




Yeah, I don't go for pitting player against player. We all have our favorites but we don't have to root for them at the expense of another player. Frankly I thought the whole Voit as the face of the franchise argument was ridiculous. I think the whole 'captain" thing is ridiculous. Thought it was with Jeter also. For me, I couldn't care less. 




Well I've always been a Judge fan ... and when someone comes on the board trying to say that Voit is better than Judge based on a 60 game season ... and I've seen what Judge can do in a regular season and in post-game, I take a huge deference to that.  I like Voit ... but what chl posted was just wrong.




well you can like Judge and he can like Voit. 




I just read an article in the Post and it was referenced that Judge is the face of the franchise ... so he can take his Voit love and stick it where the sun don't shine ... I always liked Voit, but it's people like him that start to put a bad taste in your mouth for a player.




Honest Mo. I never cared about the captain, face of the franchise, core four stuff. It's marketing ploys the teams use. I like winning and I like everyone on the team contributing. Hell Gardy has been my favorite player and he was never anywhere near the best player or any of those other things. The players respected him for his leadership in the clubhouse ant that was good enough for me




Took me a while, but I eventually became a Gardy fan ... actually a big fan ... he has a swagger to him that I like and he has been great as a leader on the team.  I'm into who is the face of the franchise ... and Captain ... always have been ... just another way to enjoy the game for me ... I like the whole enchilada, so to speak.




I think that's fine

3 months ago  ::  Oct 16, 2020 - 2:50PM #169
SSBob
Posts: 6,775

Oct 16, 2020 -- 2:47PM, newinn wrote:


the entire meaning is you want to continue to make Luke out to be some kind of superstar so you can pat yourself on the back for being the first one to spot it. I believe that is the context of these "ain't Luke just peachy keen" posts. That's the way I see it. 




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Bingo. But haven't heard much about SS being Gleyber's "natural" position.

3 months ago  ::  Oct 16, 2020 - 2:56PM #170
Chuck
Posts: 39

Oct 16, 2020 -- 1:58PM, jimwest wrote:


Oct 16, 2020 -- 1:11PM, Chuck wrote:


Oct 16, 2020 -- 12:57PM, chl45 wrote:


Oct 16, 2020 -- 12:50PM, Chuck wrote:


Luke Voit has a career .214 batting average in the playoffs. 




The discussion was about the 2020 season not the playoffs. What was the team batting average in the 2020 playoffs if you don't mind me asking. I'd be curious about that. I looked but couldn't find it.




The discussion was about the 2020 season not the playoffs. What was Luke Voit's batting average in the 2020 playoffs if you don't mind me asking? I am not curious about that. I looked and found it. 




In the playoffs, Voit batted .429 in the 2020 ALWC series, .111 in the ALDS.


Judge batted .111 in the WC series, .143 in the DS.


Voit had a better WC series than Judge, AJ had 3 HR's in the WC/DS, Voit had 1 HR. Neither was productive overall in the DS.


Not sure why we are having this discussion. I like both players. It isn't an either/or dynamic.




I get what you're saying, Jim, but Luke isn't the type of player I would want at the plate in a very important situation in the postseason. Not only did he stink against Tampa, he also struggled in the 2018 playoffs. 

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