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3 months ago  ::  Oct 16, 2020 - 4:22PM #171
luvdayanks
Posts: 28,254

Oct 16, 2020 -- 1:44PM, newinn wrote:


In baseball, I was never big on evaluating a players career based on what they did in the playoffs. I think moments are big and exciting in the playoffs but if careers were evaluated based on that guys like Brian Doyle and Arron Boone would have plaques in monument park.


I know I'm in a big minority here but I think what the Yankees have done by being highly competitve year after year since 1995 is more entertaining to me then  post season success. The best teams frequently lose in the playoffs where in the NBA, the best teams almost always win in the playoffs. Anyone here think the Braves are a better team then the Dodgers?


All I know is I have something enjoyable to watch almost every night from March tthrough some part of Oct. Winning the World Series is just the icing on a very beautiful cake. Life is good




I never understood the mentality of some folks here that think unless they win the World Series the season is a failure. Sometimes the journey is worth more than the destination.

3 months ago  ::  Oct 16, 2020 - 4:26PM #172
newinn
Posts: 36,412

Oct 16, 2020 -- 4:22PM, luvdayanks wrote:


Oct 16, 2020 -- 1:44PM, newinn wrote:


In baseball, I was never big on evaluating a players career based on what they did in the playoffs. I think moments are big and exciting in the playoffs but if careers were evaluated based on that guys like Brian Doyle and Arron Boone would have plaques in monument park.


I know I'm in a big minority here but I think what the Yankees have done by being highly competitve year after year since 1995 is more entertaining to me then  post season success. The best teams frequently lose in the playoffs where in the NBA, the best teams almost always win in the playoffs. Anyone here think the Braves are a better team then the Dodgers?


All I know is I have something enjoyable to watch almost every night from March tthrough some part of Oct. Winning the World Series is just the icing on a very beautiful cake. Life is good




I never understood the mentality of some folks here that think unless they win the World Series the season is a failure. Sometimes the journey is worth more than the destination.




Me  neither. I guess it started whith the old man, then Jeter and now Hal. They set the bar when I wish they would say they are trying everything they can while trying to run a business in a reasonable way. I don't need their apology.

3 months ago  ::  Oct 16, 2020 - 4:55PM #173
jimwest
Posts: 3,223

Oct 16, 2020 -- 2:46PM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Oct 16, 2020 -- 2:43PM, jimwest wrote:


Oct 16, 2020 -- 2:00PM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Oct 16, 2020 -- 1:58PM, jimwest wrote:


Oct 16, 2020 -- 1:11PM, Chuck wrote:


Oct 16, 2020 -- 12:57PM, chl45 wrote:


Oct 16, 2020 -- 12:50PM, Chuck wrote:


Luke Voit has a career .214 batting average in the playoffs. 




The discussion was about the 2020 season not the playoffs. What was the team batting average in the 2020 playoffs if you don't mind me asking. I'd be curious about that. I looked but couldn't find it.




The discussion was about the 2020 season not the playoffs. What was Luke Voit's batting average in the 2020 playoffs if you don't mind me asking? I am not curious about that. I looked and found it. 




In the playoffs, Voit batted .429 in the 2020 ALWC series, .111 in the ALDS.


Judge batted .111 in the WC series, .143 in the DS.


Voit had a better WC series than Judge, AJ had 3 HR's in the WC/DS, Voit had 1 HR. Neither was productive overall in the DS.


Not sure why we are having this discussion. I like both players. It isn't an either/or dynamic.




Chl made it either or by saying that Voit could be the face of the franchise when we all know that with the Judge's Corners, Judge has already been bestowed that honor.


You also fail to state that Judge had 3 homeruns all of which were clutch ... doesn't show in the numbers you put out.  Voit had one homerun ... the homerun leader couldn't get it done in the playoffs.




In the WC series, Judge hit a 2 run homer in the first inning of game 1. That was his only hit in the 2 games. While I see that HR as valuable, I don't see a first inning homer as clutch.


Voit did get it done in the ALWC, batting .429. It isn't all about home runs, other hits and walks count as well. Frankly, if it wasn't for Voit (and DJLM) carrying the team while Stanton and Judge were out a long time with injuries, the Yankees would have finished behind Toronto, maybe even Houston. 




Why don't you talk about the other two home runs Judge hit ... they don't exist?


Batting average doesn't mean as much as it once did ... it's when you get the hits that counts.


I'm glad Voit had a good season, just didn't like the question is he now the face of the franchise ... that's going too far in my opinion.



I don't agree about BA. I know there are other analytics focused on more often, but a .200 hitter is still lousy, and a .300 hitter is still good. I'll take the .300 hitter over the .200 any time.


I didn't mention Judge's other homers, as they were obviously more impactful. I am not demeaning AJ in any way, I like him a lot as a player and a person. I  am strongly hoping he stays healthy, puts up numbers like he is capable of, and possibly become the next Yankees captain, if he is signed long term. And I am a bit more partial to homegrown Yankees, such as Judge, to begin with.


AJ remains the face of the Yankees imo. But I also have liked and appreciated what Voit has done for the Yanks. He has been a great find, and has given us the power hitting first sacker we have lacked.

3 months ago  ::  Oct 16, 2020 - 5:00PM #174
jimwest
Posts: 3,223

Oct 16, 2020 -- 4:22PM, luvdayanks wrote:


Oct 16, 2020 -- 1:44PM, newinn wrote:


In baseball, I was never big on evaluating a players career based on what they did in the playoffs. I think moments are big and exciting in the playoffs but if careers were evaluated based on that guys like Brian Doyle and Arron Boone would have plaques in monument park.


I know I'm in a big minority here but I think what the Yankees have done by being highly competitve year after year since 1995 is more entertaining to me then  post season success. The best teams frequently lose in the playoffs where in the NBA, the best teams almost always win in the playoffs. Anyone here think the Braves are a better team then the Dodgers?


All I know is I have something enjoyable to watch almost every night from March tthrough some part of Oct. Winning the World Series is just the icing on a very beautiful cake. Life is good




I never understood the mentality of some folks here that think unless they win the World Series the season is a failure. Sometimes the journey is worth more than the destination.




Good to hear another fan say this. I have never liked the "World Series title or the season is a failure" mindset. The Yankees far and away have been the most successful MLB franchise in that regard, but it is completely unrealistic to believe they will win it all every year, or even most, or the majority of, years.

3 months ago  ::  Oct 16, 2020 - 5:01PM #175
GottaGoToMo
Posts: 81,053

Oct 16, 2020 -- 4:55PM, jimwest wrote:


Oct 16, 2020 -- 2:46PM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Oct 16, 2020 -- 2:43PM, jimwest wrote:


Oct 16, 2020 -- 2:00PM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Oct 16, 2020 -- 1:58PM, jimwest wrote:


Oct 16, 2020 -- 1:11PM, Chuck wrote:


Oct 16, 2020 -- 12:57PM, chl45 wrote:


Oct 16, 2020 -- 12:50PM, Chuck wrote:


Luke Voit has a career .214 batting average in the playoffs. 




The discussion was about the 2020 season not the playoffs. What was the team batting average in the 2020 playoffs if you don't mind me asking. I'd be curious about that. I looked but couldn't find it.




The discussion was about the 2020 season not the playoffs. What was Luke Voit's batting average in the 2020 playoffs if you don't mind me asking? I am not curious about that. I looked and found it. 




In the playoffs, Voit batted .429 in the 2020 ALWC series, .111 in the ALDS.


Judge batted .111 in the WC series, .143 in the DS.


Voit had a better WC series than Judge, AJ had 3 HR's in the WC/DS, Voit had 1 HR. Neither was productive overall in the DS.


Not sure why we are having this discussion. I like both players. It isn't an either/or dynamic.




Chl made it either or by saying that Voit could be the face of the franchise when we all know that with the Judge's Corners, Judge has already been bestowed that honor.


You also fail to state that Judge had 3 homeruns all of which were clutch ... doesn't show in the numbers you put out.  Voit had one homerun ... the homerun leader couldn't get it done in the playoffs.




In the WC series, Judge hit a 2 run homer in the first inning of game 1. That was his only hit in the 2 games. While I see that HR as valuable, I don't see a first inning homer as clutch.


Voit did get it done in the ALWC, batting .429. It isn't all about home runs, other hits and walks count as well. Frankly, if it wasn't for Voit (and DJLM) carrying the team while Stanton and Judge were out a long time with injuries, the Yankees would have finished behind Toronto, maybe even Houston. 




Why don't you talk about the other two home runs Judge hit ... they don't exist?


Batting average doesn't mean as much as it once did ... it's when you get the hits that counts.


I'm glad Voit had a good season, just didn't like the question is he now the face of the franchise ... that's going too far in my opinion.



I don't agree about BA. I know there are other analytics focused on more often, but a .200 hitter is still lousy, and a .300 hitter is still good. I'll take the .300 hitter over the .200 any time.


I didn't mention Judge's other homers, as they were obviously more impactful. I am not demeaning AJ in any way, I like him a lot as a player and a person. I  am strongly hoping he stays healthy, puts up numbers like he is capable of, and possibly become the next Yankees captain, if he is signed long term. And I am a bit more partial to homegrown Yankees, such as Judge, to begin with.


AJ remains the face of the Yankees imo. But I also have liked and appreciated what Voit has done for the Yanks. He has been a great find, and has given us the power hitting first sacker we have lacked.




I like Voit too ... just didn't like how chl tried to put a focus on him that he doesn't deserve.  He's not the face of the Yankees.

3 months ago  ::  Oct 16, 2020 - 5:04PM #176
jimwest
Posts: 3,223

Oct 16, 2020 -- 2:56PM, Chuck wrote:


Oct 16, 2020 -- 1:58PM, jimwest wrote:


Oct 16, 2020 -- 1:11PM, Chuck wrote:


Oct 16, 2020 -- 12:57PM, chl45 wrote:


Oct 16, 2020 -- 12:50PM, Chuck wrote:


Luke Voit has a career .214 batting average in the playoffs. 




The discussion was about the 2020 season not the playoffs. What was the team batting average in the 2020 playoffs if you don't mind me asking. I'd be curious about that. I looked but couldn't find it.




The discussion was about the 2020 season not the playoffs. What was Luke Voit's batting average in the 2020 playoffs if you don't mind me asking? I am not curious about that. I looked and found it. 




In the playoffs, Voit batted .429 in the 2020 ALWC series, .111 in the ALDS.


Judge batted .111 in the WC series, .143 in the DS.


Voit had a better WC series than Judge, AJ had 3 HR's in the WC/DS, Voit had 1 HR. Neither was productive overall in the DS.


Not sure why we are having this discussion. I like both players. It isn't an either/or dynamic.




I get what you're saying, Jim, but Luke isn't the type of player I would want at the plate in a very important situation in the postseason. Not only did he stink against Tampa, he also struggled in the 2018 playoffs. 




Neither would I, Chuck. Let's be fair, though, a number of current Yankees have not done well in the post.


But the #1 guy I would want at bat in a critical situation is DJLM, or a hitter like him.

3 months ago  ::  Oct 16, 2020 - 5:07PM #177
jimwest
Posts: 3,223

Oct 16, 2020 -- 5:01PM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Oct 16, 2020 -- 4:55PM, jimwest wrote:


Oct 16, 2020 -- 2:46PM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Oct 16, 2020 -- 2:43PM, jimwest wrote:


Oct 16, 2020 -- 2:00PM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Oct 16, 2020 -- 1:58PM, jimwest wrote:


Oct 16, 2020 -- 1:11PM, Chuck wrote:


Oct 16, 2020 -- 12:57PM, chl45 wrote:


Oct 16, 2020 -- 12:50PM, Chuck wrote:


Luke Voit has a career .214 batting average in the playoffs. 




The discussion was about the 2020 season not the playoffs. What was the team batting average in the 2020 playoffs if you don't mind me asking. I'd be curious about that. I looked but couldn't find it.




The discussion was about the 2020 season not the playoffs. What was Luke Voit's batting average in the 2020 playoffs if you don't mind me asking? I am not curious about that. I looked and found it. 




In the playoffs, Voit batted .429 in the 2020 ALWC series, .111 in the ALDS.


Judge batted .111 in the WC series, .143 in the DS.


Voit had a better WC series than Judge, AJ had 3 HR's in the WC/DS, Voit had 1 HR. Neither was productive overall in the DS.


Not sure why we are having this discussion. I like both players. It isn't an either/or dynamic.




Chl made it either or by saying that Voit could be the face of the franchise when we all know that with the Judge's Corners, Judge has already been bestowed that honor.


You also fail to state that Judge had 3 homeruns all of which were clutch ... doesn't show in the numbers you put out.  Voit had one homerun ... the homerun leader couldn't get it done in the playoffs.




In the WC series, Judge hit a 2 run homer in the first inning of game 1. That was his only hit in the 2 games. While I see that HR as valuable, I don't see a first inning homer as clutch.


Voit did get it done in the ALWC, batting .429. It isn't all about home runs, other hits and walks count as well. Frankly, if it wasn't for Voit (and DJLM) carrying the team while Stanton and Judge were out a long time with injuries, the Yankees would have finished behind Toronto, maybe even Houston. 




Why don't you talk about the other two home runs Judge hit ... they don't exist?


Batting average doesn't mean as much as it once did ... it's when you get the hits that counts.


I'm glad Voit had a good season, just didn't like the question is he now the face of the franchise ... that's going too far in my opinion.



I don't agree about BA. I know there are other analytics focused on more often, but a .200 hitter is still lousy, and a .300 hitter is still good. I'll take the .300 hitter over the .200 any time.


I didn't mention Judge's other homers, as they were obviously more impactful. I am not demeaning AJ in any way, I like him a lot as a player and a person. I  am strongly hoping he stays healthy, puts up numbers like he is capable of, and possibly become the next Yankees captain, if he is signed long term. And I am a bit more partial to homegrown Yankees, such as Judge, to begin with.


AJ remains the face of the Yankees imo. But I also have liked and appreciated what Voit has done for the Yanks. He has been a great find, and has given us the power hitting first sacker we have lacked.




I like Voit too ... just didn't like how chl tried to put a focus on him that he doesn't deserve.  He's not the face of the Yankees.




Some fans just have favorite players, for whatever personal reason. chl has been a Voit fan I think from the get go.

3 months ago  ::  Oct 16, 2020 - 5:16PM #178
GottaGoToMo
Posts: 81,053

Oct 16, 2020 -- 5:07PM, jimwest wrote:


Oct 16, 2020 -- 5:01PM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Oct 16, 2020 -- 4:55PM, jimwest wrote:


Oct 16, 2020 -- 2:46PM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Oct 16, 2020 -- 2:43PM, jimwest wrote:


Oct 16, 2020 -- 2:00PM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Oct 16, 2020 -- 1:58PM, jimwest wrote:


Oct 16, 2020 -- 1:11PM, Chuck wrote:


Oct 16, 2020 -- 12:57PM, chl45 wrote:


Oct 16, 2020 -- 12:50PM, Chuck wrote:


Luke Voit has a career .214 batting average in the playoffs. 




The discussion was about the 2020 season not the playoffs. What was the team batting average in the 2020 playoffs if you don't mind me asking. I'd be curious about that. I looked but couldn't find it.




The discussion was about the 2020 season not the playoffs. What was Luke Voit's batting average in the 2020 playoffs if you don't mind me asking? I am not curious about that. I looked and found it. 




In the playoffs, Voit batted .429 in the 2020 ALWC series, .111 in the ALDS.


Judge batted .111 in the WC series, .143 in the DS.


Voit had a better WC series than Judge, AJ had 3 HR's in the WC/DS, Voit had 1 HR. Neither was productive overall in the DS.


Not sure why we are having this discussion. I like both players. It isn't an either/or dynamic.




Chl made it either or by saying that Voit could be the face of the franchise when we all know that with the Judge's Corners, Judge has already been bestowed that honor.


You also fail to state that Judge had 3 homeruns all of which were clutch ... doesn't show in the numbers you put out.  Voit had one homerun ... the homerun leader couldn't get it done in the playoffs.




In the WC series, Judge hit a 2 run homer in the first inning of game 1. That was his only hit in the 2 games. While I see that HR as valuable, I don't see a first inning homer as clutch.


Voit did get it done in the ALWC, batting .429. It isn't all about home runs, other hits and walks count as well. Frankly, if it wasn't for Voit (and DJLM) carrying the team while Stanton and Judge were out a long time with injuries, the Yankees would have finished behind Toronto, maybe even Houston. 




Why don't you talk about the other two home runs Judge hit ... they don't exist?


Batting average doesn't mean as much as it once did ... it's when you get the hits that counts.


I'm glad Voit had a good season, just didn't like the question is he now the face of the franchise ... that's going too far in my opinion.



I don't agree about BA. I know there are other analytics focused on more often, but a .200 hitter is still lousy, and a .300 hitter is still good. I'll take the .300 hitter over the .200 any time.


I didn't mention Judge's other homers, as they were obviously more impactful. I am not demeaning AJ in any way, I like him a lot as a player and a person. I  am strongly hoping he stays healthy, puts up numbers like he is capable of, and possibly become the next Yankees captain, if he is signed long term. And I am a bit more partial to homegrown Yankees, such as Judge, to begin with.


AJ remains the face of the Yankees imo. But I also have liked and appreciated what Voit has done for the Yanks. He has been a great find, and has given us the power hitting first sacker we have lacked.




I like Voit too ... just didn't like how chl tried to put a focus on him that he doesn't deserve.  He's not the face of the Yankees.




Some fans just have favorite players, for whatever personal reason. chl has been a Voit fan I think from the get go.




Still doesn't give him the right to come out and try to justify Voit being the face of the franchise ... I would think the Yankees already bestowed that honor on Judge with the Judge's chambers ... teams don't do something like that for nothing.

3 months ago  ::  Oct 16, 2020 - 10:23PM #179
davis2
Posts: 18,479




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Aaron Judge has the right field corner of Yankee Stadium with his name on it ... the Judge's Corner ... that makes him the face of the Yankees.  


When it comes to being a great Yankee Aaron Boone and Bucky Dent hit against the Yankees hated rival the Red Sox in the most important game of the season to get to the World Series ... Voit has not done anything like that and I doubt he ever will.


Remember A-Rod ... he hit so well during the season he even got an MVP ... but the fans hated him because he couldn't come through in the post-season ... the post-season is where a player needs to shine to earn his pinstripes and for the fans to love him ... Judge has showed up for the Yankees during the season and during the post-season ... that's why Yankee fans love him.


[/quote]
If I didn't know better, I'd think you two were married,LOL! 


   I think Luke has embraced NY and is showing signs of being a very good Yankee. chl is right about Luke being a good and tough player, credit where its due! Without a doubt, Judge is the face of the franchise, but Voit is earning himself a spot. As long as they are winning and progressing, who really cares who the face of the franchise is? Lets be happy we don't have to tank when our GM screws up!

3 months ago  ::  Oct 16, 2020 - 10:31PM #180
davis2
Posts: 18,479

Oct 16, 2020 -- 1:54PM, SSBob wrote:


Oct 16, 2020 -- 1:44PM, newinn wrote:


All I know is I have something enjoyable to watch almost every night from March tthrough some part of Oct. Winning the World Series is just the icing on a very beautiful cake. Life is good




~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Agreed. I must admit that I don't get anywhere near as excited or down, win or lose, as I used to...especially this year. When the Rays knocked the Yanks out my reaction was...oh well, c'est la vie.


As a lifelong, dyed-in-the-wool Yankee fan, first and foremost I am and always have been a fan of the game of baseball...from youth leagues up thru MLB. Of course it's more exciting when the Yanks are playing, but I'll still watch and enjoy the post-season regardless of who's in it.



Are you secretly hoping the Asstros beat the Rays like I am? I'm embarrassed, but I gotta be honest...

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