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Luke Voit
3 months ago  ::  Sep 13, 2020 - 7:13AM #21
newinn
Posts: 36,232

Sep 12, 2020 -- 4:36PM, chl45 wrote:


Sep 12, 2020 -- 4:32PM, jimwest wrote:


Sep 12, 2020 -- 4:30PM, chl45 wrote:


Way to go Luke!! Just a game winning sac fly after a major battle against their pitcher fouling off 7 or 8 pitches til he got one to drive to the outfield. Ho hum. So predictable Luke. Just another big hit for  Hand Luke! Love this guys focus in big spots lately especially. All business.




A real tough at bat that led to the sac fly. So glad the O's decided to pitch to him, as he has been clutch.




Question Jim. If Luke stays hot, which from all indications he just might, and Judge comes back, do you take Judge coming off a long IL stint, and put him back in the 2 hole or do you leave Luke there and put Judge in the three hole where he should be all the time anyway IMO. Your old school, what is your answer to that? If you see this Newinn, what would you do there?




At this point I don't see much difference between Voit and a returning Judge. I think just because the #2 spot in the lineup has become a prestigous position they will return Judge there.  I'm guessing DJ, Judge, Torres, Voit, Stanton. It will be interesting to see what Boone does but I think all of those guys are pretty interchangable so I don't see it making that much of a difference.


I wish they had someone to replace Hicks.

3 months ago  ::  Sep 13, 2020 - 8:26AM #22
bumper
Posts: 8,113

Sep 12, 2020 -- 9:32PM, jimwest wrote:



Sep 12, 2020 -- 7:56PM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


Sep 12, 2020 -- 6:38PM, chl45 wrote:


Sep 12, 2020 -- 6:14PM, Max wrote:


Sep 12, 2020 -- 4:36PM, chl45 wrote:


Sep 12, 2020 -- 4:32PM, jimwest wrote:


Sep 12, 2020 -- 4:30PM, chl45 wrote:


Way to go Luke!! Just a game winning sac fly after a major battle against their pitcher fouling off 7 or 8 pitches til he got one to drive to the outfield. Ho hum. So predictable Luke. Just another big hit for  Hand Luke! Love this guys focus in big spots lately especially. All business.




A real tough at bat that led to the sac fly. So glad the O's decided to pitch to him, as he has been clutch.




Question Jim. If Luke stays hot, which from all indications he just might, and Judge comes back, do you take Judge coming off a long IL stint, and put him back in the 2 hole or do you leave Luke there and put Judge in the three hole where he should be all the time anyway IMO. Your old school, what is your answer to that? If you see this Newinn, what would you do there?




Not Jim or Newinn, but I would like to answer your question if you don't mind. Old school thinking would have the best hitter batting third in a MLB line up. So in my opinion, until the Yankees get a true leadoff hitter Torres should lead off, Voit seems to have found a home batting 2nd, and DJ is the best hitter on the team.


Torres


Voit


DJ


Judge


Stanton





No problem Max. Not much to disagree with there except this idea. While Hicks doesn't have much offensive value, what he does have is a decent on base percentage due to his leading the league in walks. He does that well and is selective at the plate and has a good eye for balls and strikes. He does seem to get on base a lot one way or another. He also has speed. SO to me I would lead him off until a real leadoff hitter presents himself. I agree that DJ is being wasted leading off. Don't like it because this team has very few contact guys on it at this point. My recomendation would be this for the first 6 and these guys play every day. They are considered "Starters" on this team. The rest can be adjustable: It's a combo new and old school.


Hicks


DJ


Luke


Judge


Torres


Stanton


 I see Jimwest has Judge and Stanton apart also in his line up.




I see it a little differently. DJL may be the best hitter on the team but he is also most susceptible to the double play.   Voit has been clutch 2nd but his best numbers have been clean up.  Judge historically has performed best 2nd and is an OBP machine.  My line up would be.


LeMahieu


Judge


Torres


Voit


Stanton




There are actually 8 Yankees with a higher OBP this year than Judge. His OBP this season is the lowest of his career, for the years 2017-2020. His BA and OPS in 2020 are his career best to date.


He is swinging the bat more, not working counts as much, or accepting walks. So with your lineup, I'd switch Torres and Judge, bat GT second, AJ third.




oh the irony ... for the past 2 seasons we've had to listen to complaints (maybe not from you) about judge's willingness to take walks because he trusted his teammates instead of hitting HRs. now this season for whatever reason he's hitting HRs and his OBP has gone down ...


anyway fantasy lineups are fun, but closer to reality is gonna be something like this : DJLM, judge, voit, stanton, torres, urshela, hicks, sanchez, frazier/gardner/tauchman. obviously subject to change based on performance. last year's glyber maybe 2nd or 3rd but not this year's version. and i'll play along - hicks, DJ, AJ, voit, stanton, torres, urshela ...


bottom line - rightly or wrongly, old school, new school or no school - they want their "best" hitters to get the most ABs over the course of a season. that's 26 AB lost for either DJ or judge if you drop them 2 slots. in your "average" 9 inning game, the lineup generally turns over for a 5th time in the 9th, they wanna guarantee those hitters those ABs when the game is possibly on the line.




3 months ago  ::  Sep 13, 2020 - 8:27AM #23
Judge
Posts: 5,329

So much Hicks hate.


He's coming off of TJ surgery, I expected a bit of rust.  In a normal season I would have given him more time than this season lasts to get his swing and timing down.   41 games and people are all over a player who's rusty and returning from surgery.


He's walking over 20% of the time, has over a .370 OBP and still hasn't gotten it going at all with the bat.   Imagine if he does.   You'd be talking about a switch hitting CF with an OBP over .400 and with power.


But yeah, he sucks.   Even though he's on a pace for close to a 4 WAR season and hasn't gotten his swing going yet, terrible.  Killing the team.

3 months ago  ::  Sep 13, 2020 - 9:23AM #24
Lola
Posts: 26,436

Sep 13, 2020 -- 8:27AM, Judge wrote:


So much Hicks hate.


He's coming off of TJ surgery, I expected a bit of rust.  In a normal season I would have given him more time than this season lasts to get his swing and timing down.   41 games and people are all over a player who's rusty and returning from surgery.


He's walking over 20% of the time, has over a .370 OBP and still hasn't gotten it going at all with the bat.   Imagine if he does.   You'd be talking about a switch hitting CF with an OBP over .400 and with power.


But yeah, he sucks.   Even though he's on a pace for close to a 4 WAR season and hasn't gotten his swing going yet, terrible.  Killing the team.




I don't get the Hicks hate either... Luv and New have been hating on him since he got here... whatever.

3 months ago  ::  Sep 13, 2020 - 9:30AM #25
manbot
Posts: 1,069

Sep 13, 2020 -- 8:27AM, Judge wrote:


So much Hicks hate.


He's coming off of TJ surgery, I expected a bit of rust.  In a normal season I would have given him more time than this season lasts to get his swing and timing down.   41 games and people are all over a player who's rusty and returning from surgery.


He's walking over 20% of the time, has over a .370 OBP and still hasn't gotten it going at all with the bat.   Imagine if he does.   You'd be talking about a switch hitting CF with an OBP over .400 and with power.


But yeah, he sucks.   Even though he's on a pace for close to a 4 WAR season and hasn't gotten his swing going yet, terrible.  Killing the team.




Agree ... Hicks is good player. Much better than Gardner or Tauchman 


He' a very good fielder,  has a high OBP, and natural power (unlike Gardner who's avg and OBP suffer significantly when he is swinging for the fences) 


I think if Hicks stays healthy he has some very good years ahead of him ... He's kind of Bernie light ... Bernie without the high avg    

3 months ago  ::  Sep 13, 2020 - 9:38AM #26
Judge
Posts: 5,329

Sep 13, 2020 -- 9:30AM, manbot wrote:


Sep 13, 2020 -- 8:27AM, Judge wrote:


So much Hicks hate.


He's coming off of TJ surgery, I expected a bit of rust.  In a normal season I would have given him more time than this season lasts to get his swing and timing down.   41 games and people are all over a player who's rusty and returning from surgery.


He's walking over 20% of the time, has over a .370 OBP and still hasn't gotten it going at all with the bat.   Imagine if he does.   You'd be talking about a switch hitting CF with an OBP over .400 and with power.


But yeah, he sucks.   Even though he's on a pace for close to a 4 WAR season and hasn't gotten his swing going yet, terrible.  Killing the team.




Agree ... Hicks is good player. Much better than Gardner or Tauchman 


He' a very good fielder,  has a high OBP, and natural power (unlike Gardner who's avg and OBP suffer significantly when he is swinging for the fences) 


I think if Hicks stays healthy he has some very good years ahead of him ... He's kind of Bernie light ... Bernie without the high avg    




Yep, he also has very good speed.   He'll never challenge for batting titles like Bernie - but he's also a much better defender than Bernie was.

3 months ago  ::  Sep 13, 2020 - 11:10AM #27
chl45
Posts: 2,564

Sep 13, 2020 -- 9:38AM, Judge wrote:


Sep 13, 2020 -- 9:30AM, manbot wrote:


Sep 13, 2020 -- 8:27AM, Judge wrote:


So much Hicks hate.


He's coming off of TJ surgery, I expected a bit of rust.  In a normal season I would have given him more time than this season lasts to get his swing and timing down.   41 games and people are all over a player who's rusty and returning from surgery.


He's walking over 20% of the time, has over a .370 OBP and still hasn't gotten it going at all with the bat.   Imagine if he does.   You'd be talking about a switch hitting CF with an OBP over .400 and with power.


But yeah, he sucks.   Even though he's on a pace for close to a 4 WAR season and hasn't gotten his swing going yet, terrible.  Killing the team.




Agree ... Hicks is good player. Much better than Gardner or Tauchman 


He' a very good fielder,  has a high OBP, and natural power (unlike Gardner who's avg and OBP suffer significantly when he is swinging for the fences) 


I think if Hicks stays healthy he has some very good years ahead of him ... He's kind of Bernie light ... Bernie without the high avg    




Yep, he also has very good speed.   He'll never challenge for batting titles like Bernie - but he's also a much better defender than Bernie was.




Those very reasons about Hicks are why I have him in my fantasy line up leading off. He gets on base with walks, and he has speed, I think mostly everyone agrees to split Stanton and Judge, and as I see most have Judge 2nd because that is most likely what the Yankees want. Luke 3rd or 4th is also most of the contention.


As for the "hate" I think LUV and New just don't like the IL affliction that Hicks has. I'm with that also but when here he wouldn't be bad to lead off. His "D" is also above what Frazier and Tauchman bring. The another thing I don't like that the analytics do is they don't seem to consider the "Hot" hitter moving up in the lineup and playing EVERYDAY, and the ice cold player sitting on the bench or way down in the order and that is on the manager isn't it? I mean 3 weeks of not hitting is plenty of time to be sitting out. A month is just being stubborn keeping them in. I will agree this season it may be tough to do.

you miss 100% of the shots you don't take.
3 months ago  ::  Sep 13, 2020 - 12:32PM #28
luvdayanks
Posts: 28,223

Sep 13, 2020 -- 9:23AM, Lola wrote:


Sep 13, 2020 -- 8:27AM, Judge wrote:


So much Hicks hate.


He's coming off of TJ surgery, I expected a bit of rust.  In a normal season I would have given him more time than this season lasts to get his swing and timing down.   41 games and people are all over a player who's rusty and returning from surgery.


He's walking over 20% of the time, has over a .370 OBP and still hasn't gotten it going at all with the bat.   Imagine if he does.   You'd be talking about a switch hitting CF with an OBP over .400 and with power.


But yeah, he sucks.   Even though he's on a pace for close to a 4 WAR season and hasn't gotten his swing going yet, terrible.  Killing the team.




I don't get the Hicks hate either... Luv and New have been hating on him since he got here... whatever.




I don't hate him, I just don't think much of him and his $10 mil contract and .215 BA.I Know he has a high OBP, and draws a lot of walks, but in clutch ABs he never seems to come through with a key hit. I also don't like how streaky he is, he has one game with a double, homer and walk then goes 0 for the next week. 

3 months ago  ::  Sep 13, 2020 - 12:35PM #29
luvdayanks
Posts: 28,223

Sep 13, 2020 -- 9:30AM, manbot wrote:


Sep 13, 2020 -- 8:27AM, Judge wrote:


So much Hicks hate.


He's coming off of TJ surgery, I expected a bit of rust.  In a normal season I would have given him more time than this season lasts to get his swing and timing down.   41 games and people are all over a player who's rusty and returning from surgery.


He's walking over 20% of the time, has over a .370 OBP and still hasn't gotten it going at all with the bat.   Imagine if he does.   You'd be talking about a switch hitting CF with an OBP over .400 and with power.


But yeah, he sucks.   Even though he's on a pace for close to a 4 WAR season and hasn't gotten his swing going yet, terrible.  Killing the team.




Agree ... Hicks is good player. Much better than Gardner or Tauchman 


He' a very good fielder,  has a high OBP, and natural power (unlike Gardner who's avg and OBP suffer significantly when he is swinging for the fences) 


I think if Hicks stays healthy he has some very good years ahead of him ... He's kind of Bernie light ... Bernie without the high avg    




Bernie light?? Yeah, very light. Bernie without the high average, now that is laughable. What natural power, look at his home run totals the past couple of years and he has 4 this year. Some power.

3 months ago  ::  Sep 13, 2020 - 2:04PM #30
Max
Posts: 6,369

Sep 12, 2020 -- 6:38PM, chl45 wrote:


Sep 12, 2020 -- 6:14PM, Max wrote:


Sep 12, 2020 -- 4:36PM, chl45 wrote:


Sep 12, 2020 -- 4:32PM, jimwest wrote:


Sep 12, 2020 -- 4:30PM, chl45 wrote:


Way to go Luke!! Just a game winning sac fly after a major battle against their pitcher fouling off 7 or 8 pitches til he got one to drive to the outfield. Ho hum. So predictable Luke. Just another big hit for  Hand Luke! Love this guys focus in big spots lately especially. All business.




A real tough at bat that led to the sac fly. So glad the O's decided to pitch to him, as he has been clutch.




Question Jim. If Luke stays hot, which from all indications he just might, and Judge comes back, do you take Judge coming off a long IL stint, and put him back in the 2 hole or do you leave Luke there and put Judge in the three hole where he should be all the time anyway IMO. Your old school, what is your answer to that? If you see this Newinn, what would you do there?




Not Jim or Newinn, but I would like to answer your question if you don't mind. Old school thinking would have the best hitter batting third in a MLB line up. So in my opinion, until the Yankees get a true leadoff hitter Torres should lead off, Voit seems to have found a home batting 2nd, and DJ is the best hitter on the team.


Torres


Voit


DJ


Judge


Stanton





No problem Max. Not much to disagree with there except this idea. While Hicks doesn't have much offensive value, what he does have is a decent on base percentage due to his leading the league in walks. He does that well and is selective at the plate and has a good eye for balls and strikes. He does seem to get on base a lot one way or another. He also has speed. SO to me I would lead him off until a real leadoff hitter presents himself. I agree that DJ is being wasted leading off. Don't like it because this team has very few contact guys on it at this point. My recomendation would be this for the first 6 and these guys play every day. They are considered "Starters" on this team. The rest can be adjustable: It's a combo new and old school.


Hicks


DJ


Luke


Judge


Torres


Stanton


 I see Jimwest has Judge and Stanton apart also in his line up.




Torres career OBP is a bit higher than Hicks. I get the point you're making, Hicks does work the count, but I'm not a Hicks fan. I don't know who will be available this winter, but the Yankees need a true leadoff hitter. I like your idea of Torres between Judge and Stanton, if and when the Yankees get a true leadoff hitter. I will be rooting for the Yankees to make a fair trade for David Fletcher who can play the Outfield as well as 2B, 3B, and SS.

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