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Luke Voit
5 months ago  ::  Sep 16, 2020 - 1:03PM #61
manbot
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Sep 16, 2020 -- 12:59PM, bumper wrote:


Sep 16, 2020 -- 12:07PM, jimwest wrote:


Sep 16, 2020 -- 11:44AM, chl45 wrote:


Once again Luke does his thing, TWICE! The guy is becoming a wrecking ball. I want to give Urschela props also and a welcome back! He is becoming one smooth operator the more he gets comfortable and he has  become a big part of this team. Our nucleus is growing and soon this team will be hard to beat. DJ, Luke, Urschela, Frazier, Torres, Judge and even Hicks are all getting better together as a team. Now if only we can keep them off the IL and playing together for a season it would be a tough team to beat. Garcia added to Severino coming back next season and producing, would be icing on the cake with Cole. Finding a more dependable catcher and a closer would be a great Christmas present to add to that team.




Why would they need a closer? Chapman is signed through 2022. He isn't going anywhere that I know of.




yup. like him or not, we got 2 more years. lost my trust in ottavino. green & britton are fine but do think we can use more hard throwing young arms like the rays have.




He's also one of the top closers in the MLB ... not sure who you would replace Chapman with even if you had a choice?

5 months ago  ::  Sep 16, 2020 - 1:06PM #62
chl45
Posts: 2,664

Sep 16, 2020 -- 12:07PM, jimwest wrote:


Sep 16, 2020 -- 11:44AM, chl45 wrote:


Once again Luke does his thing, TWICE! The guy is becoming a wrecking ball. I want to give Urschela props also and a welcome back! He is becoming one smooth operator the more he gets comfortable and he has  become a big part of this team. Our nucleus is growing and soon this team will be hard to beat. DJ, Luke, Urschela, Frazier, Torres, Judge and even Hicks are all getting better together as a team. Now if only we can keep them off the IL and playing together for a season it would be a tough team to beat. Garcia added to Severino coming back next season and producing, would be icing on the cake with Cole. Finding a more dependable catcher and a closer would be a great Christmas present to add to that team.




Why would they need a closer? Chapman is signed through 2022. He isn't going anywhere that I know of.




I'm being honest here Jim, the guy to me looks like he is losing it. He has lost velocity, he usually is putting the first one or two hitters on base, then once he has runners on he takes forever to throw the ball, he walks the tight rope every time he comes in, and makes me nervous. Are you comfortable when he pitches? I'm not. He gets it done, but he is wild more than ever, and he looks like he is smiling about something he knows that we don't. LOL... Seriously I think my trust in him is shaky at best let alone for the next two years what he will be. Britten is a complex pitcher to me. I don't know if all those balls in the dirt are on purpose or just by accident half the time. He IMO would be better than Chappy because I see CHapman's fastball losing it's effect. It gets hit. Maybe I'm just seeing things, that's also possible.

you miss 100% of the shots you don't take.
5 months ago  ::  Sep 16, 2020 - 1:21PM #63
jimwest
Posts: 3,240

Sep 16, 2020 -- 12:59PM, bumper wrote:


Sep 16, 2020 -- 12:07PM, jimwest wrote:


Sep 16, 2020 -- 11:44AM, chl45 wrote:


Once again Luke does his thing, TWICE! The guy is becoming a wrecking ball. I want to give Urschela props also and a welcome back! He is becoming one smooth operator the more he gets comfortable and he has  become a big part of this team. Our nucleus is growing and soon this team will be hard to beat. DJ, Luke, Urschela, Frazier, Torres, Judge and even Hicks are all getting better together as a team. Now if only we can keep them off the IL and playing together for a season it would be a tough team to beat. Garcia added to Severino coming back next season and producing, would be icing on the cake with Cole. Finding a more dependable catcher and a closer would be a great Christmas present to add to that team.




Why would they need a closer? Chapman is signed through 2022. He isn't going anywhere that I know of.




yup. like him or not, we got 2 more years. lost my trust in ottavino. green & britton are fine but do think we can use more hard throwing young arms like the rays have.




Yanks should trade Ottavino, even if only for salary relief in return. He turns 35 in November. Next year is the last year of his deal, so he should be movable, even at $9m per. He had a good ERA in 2019, but his WHIP, at 1.312, wasn't great. This year he is terrible, and he has a slow motion to home, so he is easily stolen on.


Chapman, Green, Britton (FA after '21; I'd let him go then), along with Loaisiga, Cessa, and Holder are fine for '21. Not sure if King and/or Nelson can be future relievers or starters. But I'd agree to seek out a couple of flamethrowers for the pen.


Kahnle is probably out for all of 2021 due to TJ. He is arb-eligible after 2020, and he is a FA after '21. The Yanks should non-tender him.

5 months ago  ::  Sep 16, 2020 - 1:35PM #64
luvdayanks
Posts: 28,259

Sep 16, 2020 -- 1:06PM, chl45 wrote:


Sep 16, 2020 -- 12:07PM, jimwest wrote:


Sep 16, 2020 -- 11:44AM, chl45 wrote:


Once again Luke does his thing, TWICE! The guy is becoming a wrecking ball. I want to give Urschela props also and a welcome back! He is becoming one smooth operator the more he gets comfortable and he has  become a big part of this team. Our nucleus is growing and soon this team will be hard to beat. DJ, Luke, Urschela, Frazier, Torres, Judge and even Hicks are all getting better together as a team. Now if only we can keep them off the IL and playing together for a season it would be a tough team to beat. Garcia added to Severino coming back next season and producing, would be icing on the cake with Cole. Finding a more dependable catcher and a closer would be a great Christmas present to add to that team.




Why would they need a closer? Chapman is signed through 2022. He isn't going anywhere that I know of.




I'm being honest here Jim, the guy to me looks like he is losing it. He has lost velocity, he usually is putting the first one or two hitters on base, then once he has runners on he takes forever to throw the ball, he walks the tight rope every time he comes in, and makes me nervous. Are you comfortable when he pitches? I'm not. He gets it done, but he is wild more than ever, and he looks like he is smiling about something he knows that we don't. LOL... Seriously I think my trust in him is shaky at best let alone for the next two years what he will be. Britten is a complex pitcher to me. I don't know if all those balls in the dirt are on purpose or just by accident half the time. He IMO would be better than Chappy because I see CHapman's fastball losing it's effect. It gets hit. Maybe I'm just seeing things, that's also possible.




Chapman does make me uncomfortable when he comes in and most of the time puts a runner on base,but as far as his mannerisms go he's always been like that, fidgety and sweaty. He may have lost a tick off his velocity, but can still can dial it up to 100-101 on occasion. The key words in your statement are "he gets it done". True, most of the time, even though it's nerve wrecking. I think he became enamored with the slider this year and most of the hits off him come from hanging sliders not fastballs. An example is the walk off homer in he gave up  recently was a big hanging slider. 
Regarding Britton, I believe his pitches in the dirt are planned, that's what makes him a ground ball pitcher. He did a good job closing when Chapman was out. 

5 months ago  ::  Sep 16, 2020 - 1:51PM #65
Judge
Posts: 5,329

Sep 16, 2020 -- 11:56AM, nyyrocks84 wrote:


More and more, I'm starting to view Luke Voit as one of Cashman's greatest signings.


I mean, Voit is going to get MVP votes this year. And no one even knew who the guy was, when we traded for him in 2018. 




A trade is not a signing though...

5 months ago  ::  Sep 16, 2020 - 2:27PM #66
jimwest
Posts: 3,240

Sep 16, 2020 -- 1:06PM, chl45 wrote:


Sep 16, 2020 -- 12:07PM, jimwest wrote:


Sep 16, 2020 -- 11:44AM, chl45 wrote:


Once again Luke does his thing, TWICE! The guy is becoming a wrecking ball. I want to give Urschela props also and a welcome back! He is becoming one smooth operator the more he gets comfortable and he has  become a big part of this team. Our nucleus is growing and soon this team will be hard to beat. DJ, Luke, Urschela, Frazier, Torres, Judge and even Hicks are all getting better together as a team. Now if only we can keep them off the IL and playing together for a season it would be a tough team to beat. Garcia added to Severino coming back next season and producing, would be icing on the cake with Cole. Finding a more dependable catcher and a closer would be a great Christmas present to add to that team.




Why would they need a closer? Chapman is signed through 2022. He isn't going anywhere that I know of.




I'm being honest here Jim, the guy to me looks like he is losing it. He has lost velocity, he usually is putting the first one or two hitters on base, then once he has runners on he takes forever to throw the ball, he walks the tight rope every time he comes in, and makes me nervous. Are you comfortable when he pitches? I'm not. He gets it done, but he is wild more than ever, and he looks like he is smiling about something he knows that we don't. LOL... Seriously I think my trust in him is shaky at best let alone for the next two years what he will be. Britten is a complex pitcher to me. I don't know if all those balls in the dirt are on purpose or just by accident half the time. He IMO would be better than Chappy because I see CHapman's fastball losing it's effect. It gets hit. Maybe I'm just seeing things, that's also possible.



I'm sure you are, chl. But let's be realistic. First, who replaces him. Britton? He's likely gone after '21, as he is an FA. Who else? Check the 2020-21 FA reliever market. Not very promising. Most are guys in their early to mid 30's. Second, why would the Yankees be willing to eat $32m to release him? That honestly would be an extremely foolish business decision.


He has lost maybe a tick off his heater. Still extremely effective and difficult to catch up to. I know you are an eye-test guy, as am I, to a degree. But I like to read and absorb some of the deeper dive analytics as well. Read the attached article about Chapman, it should alleviate some of your concerns. 


www.pinstripealley.com/2020/9/15/2143648...

5 months ago  ::  Sep 16, 2020 - 3:01PM #67
chl45
Posts: 2,664

Sep 16, 2020 -- 2:27PM, jimwest wrote:


Sep 16, 2020 -- 1:06PM, chl45 wrote:


Sep 16, 2020 -- 12:07PM, jimwest wrote:


Sep 16, 2020 -- 11:44AM, chl45 wrote:


Once again Luke does his thing, TWICE! The guy is becoming a wrecking ball. I want to give Urschela props also and a welcome back! He is becoming one smooth operator the more he gets comfortable and he has  become a big part of this team. Our nucleus is growing and soon this team will be hard to beat. DJ, Luke, Urschela, Frazier, Torres, Judge and even Hicks are all getting better together as a team. Now if only we can keep them off the IL and playing together for a season it would be a tough team to beat. Garcia added to Severino coming back next season and producing, would be icing on the cake with Cole. Finding a more dependable catcher and a closer would be a great Christmas present to add to that team.




Why would they need a closer? Chapman is signed through 2022. He isn't going anywhere that I know of.




I'm being honest here Jim, the guy to me looks like he is losing it. He has lost velocity, he usually is putting the first one or two hitters on base, then once he has runners on he takes forever to throw the ball, he walks the tight rope every time he comes in, and makes me nervous. Are you comfortable when he pitches? I'm not. He gets it done, but he is wild more than ever, and he looks like he is smiling about something he knows that we don't. LOL... Seriously I think my trust in him is shaky at best let alone for the next two years what he will be. Britten is a complex pitcher to me. I don't know if all those balls in the dirt are on purpose or just by accident half the time. He IMO would be better than Chappy because I see CHapman's fastball losing it's effect. It gets hit. Maybe I'm just seeing things, that's also possible.



I'm sure you are, chl. But let's be realistic. First, who replaces him. Britton? He's likely gone after '21, as he is an FA. Who else? Check the 2020-21 FA reliever market. Not very promising. Most are guys in their early to mid 30's. Second, why would the Yankees be willing to eat $32m to release him? That honestly would be an extremely foolish business decision.


He has lost maybe a tick off his heater. Still extremely effective and difficult to catch up to. I know you are an eye-test guy, as am I, to a degree. But I like to read and absorb some of the deeper dive analytics as well. Read the attached article about Chapman, it should alleviate some of your concerns. 


www.pinstripealley.com/2020/9/15/2143648...




What I related to the most was the last sentence. To succeed he needs to use his fastball Before he loses it. Also since 2016 8 of the HRS hit off him were off the slider, which to me he has been using more and more. His braking balls aren't why he is here it was that 102 103 fastball he USED to have. I just think that if a really good closer comes available, especially one that is established and still in his 20's, Cashman should look into it while Chappy is still able to dial it up to 100 101 because those triple digits  for him are coming less and less often. Usually only after he has two strikes and sometimes only after 2 strikes and 2 outs. Just think maybe it wouldn't hurt.


I agree Britten did very well for him when he was out, but that in the dirt pitch he has fools how many hitters after awhile? I noticed he releases it lower and lower when he throws it, and I know when it is coming, and if I do, well, I am sure a 25 or 30 year old major leaguer will notice it, or a pitching coach that isn't napping. lol... That makes that pitch easier to lay off I would think, coming out so low. Anyway just thought I would mention it.

you miss 100% of the shots you don't take.
5 months ago  ::  Sep 16, 2020 - 3:27PM #68
nyyrocks84
Posts: 405

Sep 16, 2020 -- 1:51PM, Judge wrote:


Sep 16, 2020 -- 11:56AM, nyyrocks84 wrote:


More and more, I'm starting to view Luke Voit as one of Cashman's greatest signings.


I mean, Voit is going to get MVP votes this year. And no one even knew who the guy was, when we traded for him in 2018. 




A trade is not a signing though...




"Greatest acquisitions", then.

5 months ago  ::  Sep 16, 2020 - 3:49PM #69
Lola
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Sep 16, 2020 -- 3:27PM, nyyrocks84 wrote:


Sep 16, 2020 -- 1:51PM, Judge wrote:


Sep 16, 2020 -- 11:56AM, nyyrocks84 wrote:


More and more, I'm starting to view Luke Voit as one of Cashman's greatest signings.


I mean, Voit is going to get MVP votes this year. And no one even knew who the guy was, when we traded for him in 2018. 




A trade is not a signing though...




"Greatest acquisitions", then.




And all for the bargain basement price of $573k!


A win for Cashman!

5 months ago  ::  Sep 16, 2020 - 10:38PM #70
chl45
Posts: 2,664

You pitch to Voit, and it's gonna Hoit, in Da Bronx.

you miss 100% of the shots you don't take.
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