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4 months ago  ::  Sep 25, 2020 - 2:32PM #11
SSBob
Posts: 6,788

Sep 25, 2020 -- 2:12PM, chl45 wrote:


Sep 25, 2020 -- 2:06PM, SSBob wrote:


I've viewed this year as somewhere between Spring Training & Regular Season ball.


I always have the game on, but not glued to the tv as I would be during the "regular" season. Don't get too excited or upset with a win or a loss. I kinda see it as an audition of sorts for the borderline players and sorting things out for '21.




Actually that's probably a good way to look at it, but I still would like to go all the way. If not I definately will look at it the way you just described it.  In doing that I expect that Mr. Frazier will be here for a long time. I guess the Ford is going back to the garage where he came from for hopefully a good tune up  becauseI think that Ford has a lot of power that can be usseful if they can get it running again. We will see.




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Going into this season my primary questions were Gio, Frazier & Andujar.


Would Gio continue hitting like he did last year? I said I expected he would, and he hasn't disappointed. He's obviously locked down 3B. I also felt Frazier would find his comfort zone, and he has. IMO he deserves at least the hard inside track for LF in '21. Andujar...love his bat, and felt he should've been worked at 1B as at least a backup. I still feel that way for '21. As much as Ford is a feel good story with a LH bat, I think Andujar is a much better option. Not able to take advantage of RF porch, but hits RHP better than LHP. Voit nailed down the 1B job.


Gleyber will never be an upper tier SS, but his bat makes up for that. DJL is DJL...and obviously should be resigned. Judge is Judge...as long as he can stay healthy. I don't really have as much of a problem with Hicks as some here have. Sanchez?? Stanton??

4 months ago  ::  Sep 25, 2020 - 2:51PM #12
jimwest
Posts: 3,231

Sep 25, 2020 -- 1:43PM, bumper wrote:


i don't obsess about it. take each game one at a time. sure we've hit another rough patch but instead of saying we're 1-4 over the last 5, how 'bout we're 11-4 over the last 15 games.


wanna talk about a team that limped into the post-season. how bout 2000, when we finished on a mighty 3-15 run to close the season and a mediocre 87-74. pretty bleak. i think things turned out pretty well.


how 'bout the 1960 world series where we had 3 blowouts against the pirates. they didn't belong on the same field as us. yet somehow they won. and let's not talk about what happened in 2004 ...


this is a very talented team that was built to win a WS championship but have significantly underperformed. don't understand the why's and they don't really matter. i still believe IF everyone performs up to their capabilities, we can win this thing. history's taught us that baseball is a quirky sport where a team's fortunes can turn on a dime. we'll know the answer next week.




We can all play games with performance over a given stretch. Just as easily as saying the Yankees have been 11-4 over the last 15, we can add their horrific 5-15 stretch and say they are 16-19 over their past 35. Bigger sample size, as many like to point to. But as has been said, a team is ultimately what their record is, and 32-25, just an above average team, is what the Yankees are.


They are 16-4 against the Orioles and Red Sox, 16-21 vs all other teams, 9-15 vs above .500 teams, and 11-18 on the road. Those are the factual statistics, and they aren't good.


The 2000 Yanks played terribly their last 18 games. However, that team was a two-time defending world champion, who knew what it took to win. The 2020 edition does not. This team has unachieved there is no doubt. The whys of that will have to be examined, analyzed, and rectified, as they do matter. A franchise with an approximate $250m payroll has accountability for just above average performance. 


Lastly, all teams do have injuries, so that is no excuse, unless the injuries are extreme, like last season. But the injury problem is one that Yankees ownership must determine what is causing it, and correct it. If it is a case of trading for, or signing, injury-prone players, then they need to do far better due diligence in those areas. If the internal training and conditioning program, it must be broken down and fixed.

4 months ago  ::  Sep 25, 2020 - 3:19PM #13
bumper
Posts: 8,167

Sep 25, 2020 -- 2:51PM, jimwest wrote:


Sep 25, 2020 -- 1:43PM, bumper wrote:


i don't obsess about it. take each game one at a time. sure we've hit another rough patch but instead of saying we're 1-4 over the last 5, how 'bout we're 11-4 over the last 15 games.


wanna talk about a team that limped into the post-season. how bout 2000, when we finished on a mighty 3-15 run to close the season and a mediocre 87-74. pretty bleak. i think things turned out pretty well.


how 'bout the 1960 world series where we had 3 blowouts against the pirates. they didn't belong on the same field as us. yet somehow they won. and let's not talk about what happened in 2004 ...


this is a very talented team that was built to win a WS championship but have significantly underperformed. don't understand the why's and they don't really matter. i still believe IF everyone performs up to their capabilities, we can win this thing. history's taught us that baseball is a quirky sport where a team's fortunes can turn on a dime. we'll know the answer next week.




We can all play games with performance over a given stretch. Just as easily as saying the Yankees have been 11-4 over the last 15, we can add their horrific 5-15 stretch and say they are 16-19 over their past 35. Bigger sample size, as many like to point to. But as has been said, a team is ultimately what their record is, and 32-25, just an above average team, is what the Yankees are.


They are 16-4 against the Orioles and Red Sox, 16-21 vs all other teams, 9-15 vs above .500 teams, and 11-18 on the road. Those are the factual statistics, and they aren't good.


The 2000 Yanks played terribly their last 18 games. However, that team was a two-time defending world champion, who knew what it took to win. The 2020 edition does not. This team has unachieved there is no doubt. The whys of that will have to be examined, analyzed, and rectified, as they do matter. A franchise with an approximate $250m payroll has accountability for just above average performance. 


Lastly, all teams do have injuries, so that is no excuse, unless the injuries are extreme, like last season. But the injury problem is one that Yankees ownership must determine what is causing it, and correct it. If it is a case of trading for, or signing, injury-prone players, then they need to do far better due diligence in those areas. If the internal training and conditioning program, it must be broken down and fixed.




btw when i said the "whys" don't matter, was referring to this moment. with 3 games left before the post-season, there are no easy answers or quick fixes. the team is what is what is and we have to hope the team becomes what we and the FA thought it was heading into the season. pretty sure cash & boone still feel this team can get it together and be a championship team.


certainly moving forward the team needs to be re-evaluated. clearly assumptions & evaluations were made regarding talent based on last season that haven't panned out.




4 months ago  ::  Sep 25, 2020 - 3:32PM #14
nyyrocks84
Posts: 405

Sep 25, 2020 -- 2:05PM, Cocopugg wrote:


Sep 25, 2020 -- 1:54PM, nyyrocks84 wrote:


The Dodgers could absolutely be upset by the Giants/Reds/Phillies.




If anyone other than the Dodgers win it all this year, I would be totally shocked.




I think you should prepare to be shocked, then. If it was the standard postseason setup, I would tend to agree....but I can virtually guarantee that more than one of the 1-4 seeds are going home in the wild card round. No team is safe. 

4 months ago  ::  Sep 25, 2020 - 4:00PM #15
chl45
Posts: 2,639

Sep 25, 2020 -- 2:32PM, SSBob wrote:


Sep 25, 2020 -- 2:12PM, chl45 wrote:


Sep 25, 2020 -- 2:06PM, SSBob wrote:


I've viewed this year as somewhere between Spring Training & Regular Season ball.


I always have the game on, but not glued to the tv as I would be during the "regular" season. Don't get too excited or upset with a win or a loss. I kinda see it as an audition of sorts for the borderline players and sorting things out for '21.




Actually that's probably a good way to look at it, but I still would like to go all the way. If not I definately will look at it the way you just described it.  In doing that I expect that Mr. Frazier will be here for a long time. I guess the Ford is going back to the garage where he came from for hopefully a good tune up  becauseI think that Ford has a lot of power that can be usseful if they can get it running again. We will see.




~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Going into this season my primary questions were Gio, Frazier & Andujar.


Would Gio continue hitting like he did last year? I said I expected he would, and he hasn't disappointed. He's obviously locked down 3B. I also felt Frazier would find his comfort zone, and he has. IMO he deserves at least the hard inside track for LF in '21. Andujar...love his bat, and felt he should've been worked at 1B as at least a backup. I still feel that way for '21. As much as Ford is a feel good story with a LH bat, I think Andujar is a much better option. Not able to take advantage of RF porch, but hits RHP better than LHP. Voit nailed down the 1B job.


Gleyber will never be an upper tier SS, but his bat makes up for that. DJL is DJL...and obviously should be resigned. Judge is Judge...as long as he can stay healthy. I don't really have as much of a problem with Hicks as some here have. Sanchez?? Stanton??




I agree about Hicks. Healthy he showed me he can be an on base machine and every so often the guy gets a big hit or Homerun. His contract other than the term, isn't the end of the world in todays game either. DJ to me is a must sign. For sure. Andujar is a complete IDK to my thinking. I don't know what they will do with him in other words, but feel they will want him around still. Gio is turning into another DJ and I can only hope that happens. Man that guy is just plain good! I look forward to every one of his at bats.  Gleyber is OK at short and his bat is the key with him, you are right. Struggling some this year but he has the talent and desire to make it as an all star IMO.


Voit, yes, he owns first base. Stanton has his value but I think the hate for him is strictly his contract and it doesn't help him, them hitting him to high in the order. Sanchez to me, and I know I will get heat for this but...he to me is another Ford with time served. He has been here a long time and if he did this his first year here he would be another Ford and sent down. Right now Gary is a liability but has the potential to explode in any at bat and that is the mystery with the guy. Do not honestly know what to make of the Yankee's future plans for this guy. Also as you said Judge is Judge. To me in all likely hood a he will be a career Yankee. 

you miss 100% of the shots you don't take.
4 months ago  ::  Sep 25, 2020 - 4:44PM #16
al
Posts: 882

Sep 25, 2020 -- 2:06PM, SSBob wrote:


I've viewed this year as somewhere between Spring Training & Regular Season ball.


I always have the game on, but not glued to the tv as I would be during the "regular" season. Don't get too excited or upset with a win or a loss. I kinda see it as an audition of sorts for the borderline players and sorting things out for '21.




Kind of like, Baseball Purgatory? I like it.

4 months ago  ::  Sep 25, 2020 - 5:11PM #17
SSBob
Posts: 6,788

Sep 25, 2020 -- 4:44PM, al wrote:


Sep 25, 2020 -- 2:06PM, SSBob wrote:


I've viewed this year as somewhere between Spring Training & Regular Season ball.


I always have the game on, but not glued to the tv as I would be during the "regular" season. Don't get too excited or upset with a win or a loss. I kinda see it as an audition of sorts for the borderline players and sorting things out for '21.




Kind of like, Baseball Purgatory? I like it.




~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


I think Bakersfield is Baseball Purgatory.

4 months ago  ::  Sep 25, 2020 - 5:12PM #18
al
Posts: 882

Sep 25, 2020 -- 4:00PM, chl45 wrote:


Sep 25, 2020 -- 2:32PM, SSBob wrote:


Sep 25, 2020 -- 2:12PM, chl45 wrote:


Sep 25, 2020 -- 2:06PM, SSBob wrote:


I've viewed this year as somewhere between Spring Training & Regular Season ball.


I always have the game on, but not glued to the tv as I would be during the "regular" season. Don't get too excited or upset with a win or a loss. I kinda see it as an audition of sorts for the borderline players and sorting things out for '21.




Actually that's probably a good way to look at it, but I still would like to go all the way. If not I definately will look at it the way you just described it.  In doing that I expect that Mr. Frazier will be here for a long time. I guess the Ford is going back to the garage where he came from for hopefully a good tune up  becauseI think that Ford has a lot of power that can be usseful if they can get it running again. We will see.




~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Going into this season my primary questions were Gio, Frazier & Andujar.


Would Gio continue hitting like he did last year? I said I expected he would, and he hasn't disappointed. He's obviously locked down 3B. I also felt Frazier would find his comfort zone, and he has. IMO he deserves at least the hard inside track for LF in '21. Andujar...love his bat, and felt he should've been worked at 1B as at least a backup. I still feel that way for '21. As much as Ford is a feel good story with a LH bat, I think Andujar is a much better option. Not able to take advantage of RF porch, but hits RHP better than LHP. Voit nailed down the 1B job.


Gleyber will never be an upper tier SS, but his bat makes up for that. DJL is DJL...and obviously should be resigned. Judge is Judge...as long as he can stay healthy. I don't really have as much of a problem with Hicks as some here have. Sanchez?? Stanton??




I agree about Hicks. Healthy he showed me he can be an on base machine and every so often the guy gets a big hit or Homerun. His contract other than the term, isn't the end of the world in todays game either. DJ to me is a must sign. For sure. Andujar is a complete IDK to my thinking. I don't know what they will do with him in other words, but feel they will want him around still. Gio is turning into another DJ and I can only hope that happens. Man that guy is just plain good! I look forward to every one of his at bats.  Gleyber is OK at short and his bat is the key with him, you are right. Struggling some this year but he has the talent and desire to make it as an all star IMO.


Voit, yes, he owns first base. Stanton has his value but I think the hate for him is strictly his contract and it doesn't help him, them hitting him to high in the order. Sanchez to me, and I know I will get heat for this but...he to me is another Ford with time served. He has been here a long time and if he did this his first year here he would be another Ford and sent down. Right now Gary is a liability but has the potential to explode in any at bat and that is the mystery with the guy. Do not honestly know what to make of the Yankee's future plans for this guy. Also as you said Judge is Judge. To me in all likely hood a he will be a career Yankee. 




I don't mind Stanton, but he's a one dimensional hitter. Never expect anything but a strikeout, solo homerun, or the occassional and rare double from him. He has yet to carry the team with his bat. As frustrating has Gary can be, when he's hot he can carry the whole team on his back. Judge can carry the team too, but he can't stay on the field. That disppinting reality is something I fear is who he just might be for his whole career. Then what do we got? I still don't like him in the two hole. DJ is a much better option. He doesn't strike out often and can handle the bat the way a number two should be able to. There is no real leadoff type of hitter, but would rather have judge there with his high obp. Voit has been a blessing from the baseball Gods, but I wish he'd stop saying the Yankees are a great team, because they're not. The team that wins the WS has the only right to declare that. Love how mcuh Frazier has improved his game. Speaks volumes about his character. Love Andjar's electric bat and they really miss it in the line up. Lot's and lots of doubles means lots RBIs. Hope he works his ass off and find a way back into the line. Not sure where though.  So many good players playing bad baseball at the wrong time, but there's still time to get it together... I'm hoping.

4 months ago  ::  Sep 25, 2020 - 5:14PM #19
al
Posts: 882

Sep 25, 2020 -- 5:11PM, SSBob wrote:


Sep 25, 2020 -- 4:44PM, al wrote:


Sep 25, 2020 -- 2:06PM, SSBob wrote:


I've viewed this year as somewhere between Spring Training & Regular Season ball.


I always have the game on, but not glued to the tv as I would be during the "regular" season. Don't get too excited or upset with a win or a loss. I kinda see it as an audition of sorts for the borderline players and sorting things out for '21.




Kind of like, Baseball Purgatory? I like it.




~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


I think Bakersfield is Baseball Purgatory.




Supposed to be hotter than hell there.




4 months ago  ::  Sep 27, 2020 - 12:04PM #20
yankoldfan
Posts: 10,790

Sep 25, 2020 -- 2:05PM, Cocopugg wrote:


Sep 25, 2020 -- 1:54PM, nyyrocks84 wrote:


The Dodgers could absolutely be upset by the Giants/Reds/Phillies.




If anyone other than the Dodgers win it all this year, I would be totally shocked.




How many years in a row have the Dodgers been favored to win the whole thing ??? How man rings do they have in last few years... Who ever thought Washington was going to win it last year ?? I've never been all that hyped up by the Dodgers, yes they are a good team, but like in the past they are beatable...

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