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A Cashman Question
1 week ago  ::  Nov 17, 2020 - 11:24AM #1
1955nyyfan
Posts: 1,339

Brian Cashman has been the Yankee GM for a very long time and I was wondering what fans think of him. I'll have to admit, I'm pretty ambivilant. I move from good GM in a tough job to how would he survive without one of the biggest payrolls in sports? I really do wonder how he would do if he was the GM for a team like the Rays or the A's.



I was all on board when the Yankees went to the youth movement and initally it looked like we had struck gold, now there are question marks surrounding several of our key younger players. Bird is gone through a strange series of events, it doesn't appear either Sanchez or Andujar are reliable pieces for the future, we are not sure what position Torres should be playing and I have even seen it questioned as to if Judge is a long term Yankee because his injury history makes him too risky. We are heading into another off season where pitching is a big question mark and apparently have limited funds to spend. On the flip side he's made great trades to get Voit, Urshella, Hicks, Fraizer and Torres. All GMs have hits and misses and Cashman has had his share. 



Is he the right guy to be leading the Yankees for the next 5 or 10 years? 

1 week ago  ::  Nov 17, 2020 - 8:31PM #2
Don
Posts: 143

Nov 17, 2020 -- 11:24AM, 1955nyyfan wrote:


Brian Cashman has been the Yankee GM for a very long time and I was wondering what fans think of him. I'll have to admit, I'm pretty ambivilant. I move from good GM in a tough job to how would he survive without one of the biggest payrolls in sports? I really do wonder how he would do if he was the GM for a team like the Rays or the A's.



I was all on board when the Yankees went to the youth movement and initally it looked like we had struck gold, now there are question marks surrounding several of our key younger players. Bird is gone through a strange series of events, it doesn't appear either Sanchez or Andujar are reliable pieces for the future, we are not sure what position Torres should be playing and I have even seen it questioned as to if Judge is a long term Yankee because his injury history makes him too risky. We are heading into another off season where pitching is a big question mark and apparently have limited funds to spend. On the flip side he's made great trades to get Voit, Urshella, Hicks, Fraizer and Torres. All GMs have hits and misses and Cashman has had his share. 



Is he the right guy to be leading the Yankees for the next 5 or 10 years? 




I have no problems with him.   I think he swings and hits a lot more often than he misses.


Some prospects turn out to be too brittle to make it in the majors and Bird was one of those guys.   He hasn't had any more success outside of NY.   Cashman got Voit out of nowhere to replace him.


Sanchez always had some issues with his character even while in the minors - but his power ability as a catcher is still impressive.   If Cashman has made any mistakes with Gary it wasn't with acquiring him but rather with not trading him at the right time.   Andujar probably needs more time to come back from the shoulder problems - but finding a guy who finished second in the ROY voting is nice work by Cashman.   If he hadn't been so good we wouldn't even be talking about him, and that is how most prospects end up.


I think a lot of teams will have limited funds, not just the Yankees, and the economy and empty stadiums aren't Cashman's fault.   We may find out just how well he's done with the young pitchers if the team goes with Deivi Garcia, Monty, Schmidt etc next year and chooses not to spend on FAs.


They have been hit pretty hard by injuries and maybe the medical staff should have been turned over a year earlier than it was.   But it's hard to pin that on a GM when a lot of the injured players were young guys with no track record of injuries, like Judge, Andujar and Severino for example.


Unless there is some can't-miss replacement available and the Yankees suffer a serious decline over the next season or two I don't think he's going anywhere.   I do like Theo Epstein but I wouldn't be looking to replace Cashman right now with anyone.   I can't think of many GM candidates I would take over him.


1 week ago  ::  Nov 17, 2020 - 8:51PM #3
davis2
Posts: 18,361

Cashman has done a good job, He hasn't gotten many good starters, but...

1 week ago  ::  Nov 18, 2020 - 12:39AM #4
chl45
Posts: 2,564

Like any Head man in charge he has some plus's and minus's. His pitching record is not good. He has more Pavano's and Weavers than Sabathia's and Cole's. His judgement listening to the scouts decisions on defensive ability's on these great young hitters we have leaves a lot to be desired. Any talent evaluators we have, think our player development people are  really good at projecting the trainability of players like Andujar and Torres. Cashman hasn't done anything to hold them accountable and that's on him. We have the same people apparently. As far as Bird that was a big swing and a miss on Cashman for holding  on to him to long, and IMO, handling him all wrong  by bringing him back to soon, twice no less. He ruined that kid.


His faith in Judge staying healthy is a little on the gamble side but that I don't blame him for because Judge is worth taking the risk on. I just would watch him carefully until his contract comes due and Judge may just be the guy that gets Cashman kicked upstairs if he can't stay healthy and his trade value goes in the dumper. Risky player for Cashman to make a decision on eventually IMO. Overall he has done a good job but he has saved a lot of critics from bashing him in 2020 with his discovery two season's ago, for Urshela, Voit and Tauchman.  Ford also looks like a swing and a miss but has potential .Also for keeping Frazier when all wanted that kid gone mostly 3 years ago, including me. He tried to trade him but no one wanted to pay the price. Overall Cashman will never be fired IMO, he will just be kicked upstairs when they are done with him I think. I give him a C+ overall since he has been the GM here, even with his warts. 

you miss 100% of the shots you don't take.
1 week ago  ::  Nov 18, 2020 - 10:20AM #5
GottaGoToMo
Posts: 80,851

Nov 18, 2020 -- 12:39AM, chl45 wrote:


Like any Head man in charge he has some plus's and minus's. His pitching record is not good. He has more Pavano's and Weavers than Sabathia's and Cole's. His judgement listening to the scouts decisions on defensive ability's on these great young hitters we have leaves a lot to be desired. Any talent evaluators we have, think our player development people are  really good at projecting the trainability of players like Andujar and Torres. Cashman hasn't done anything to hold them accountable and that's on him. We have the same people apparently. As far as Bird that was a big swing and a miss on Cashman for holding  on to him to long, and IMO, handling him all wrong  by bringing him back to soon, twice no less. He ruined that kid.


His faith in Judge staying healthy is a little on the gamble side but that I don't blame him for because Judge is worth taking the risk on. I just would watch him carefully until his contract comes due and Judge may just be the guy that gets Cashman kicked upstairs if he can't stay healthy and his trade value goes in the dumper. Risky player for Cashman to make a decision on eventually IMO. Overall he has done a good job but he has saved a lot of critics from bashing him in 2020 with his discovery two season's ago, for Urshela, Voit and Tauchman.  Ford also looks like a swing and a miss but has potential .Also for keeping Frazier when all wanted that kid gone mostly 3 years ago, including me. He tried to trade him but no one wanted to pay the price. Overall Cashman will never be fired IMO, he will just be kicked upstairs when they are done with him I think. I give him a C+ overall since he has been the GM here, even with his warts. 




I wouldn't give Cashman any kudos for Tauchman and Ford.

1 week ago  ::  Nov 18, 2020 - 10:49AM #6
bumper
Posts: 8,115

Nov 18, 2020 -- 10:20AM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Nov 18, 2020 -- 12:39AM, chl45 wrote:


Like any Head man in charge he has some plus's and minus's. His pitching record is not good. He has more Pavano's and Weavers than Sabathia's and Cole's. His judgement listening to the scouts decisions on defensive ability's on these great young hitters we have leaves a lot to be desired. Any talent evaluators we have, think our player development people are  really good at projecting the trainability of players like Andujar and Torres. Cashman hasn't done anything to hold them accountable and that's on him. We have the same people apparently. As far as Bird that was a big swing and a miss on Cashman for holding  on to him to long, and IMO, handling him all wrong  by bringing him back to soon, twice no less. He ruined that kid.


His faith in Judge staying healthy is a little on the gamble side but that I don't blame him for because Judge is worth taking the risk on. I just would watch him carefully until his contract comes due and Judge may just be the guy that gets Cashman kicked upstairs if he can't stay healthy and his trade value goes in the dumper. Risky player for Cashman to make a decision on eventually IMO. Overall he has done a good job but he has saved a lot of critics from bashing him in 2020 with his discovery two season's ago, for Urshela, Voit and Tauchman.  Ford also looks like a swing and a miss but has potential .Also for keeping Frazier when all wanted that kid gone mostly 3 years ago, including me. He tried to trade him but no one wanted to pay the price. Overall Cashman will never be fired IMO, he will just be kicked upstairs when they are done with him I think. I give him a C+ overall since he has been the GM here, even with his warts. 




I wouldn't give Cashman any kudos for Tauchman and Ford.




they were an important part of last season's "next man up" krewe. unfortunately they had their moment of glory and reverted back to what they were - career minor leaguers. so how about partial credit Wink.


overall i would give cashman a B-. maybe C- to C for pitching and B to B+ for offense. while he did build a good bullpen, the starters haven't panned out. though there's been some bad luck w virtually every pitcher getting injured. you can start w wang right up through severino, montgomery, paxton and even german (not an injury). tanaka's elbow is hanging on by a thread. sonny gray couldn't pitch in NY.


DJLM, voit & urshela were master strokes as were the trades for torres & frazier. at one point the future looked bright w the baby bombers. sometimes players just don't work out. ellsbury was a disaster and stanton's story has 7 more years to tell. overall he's benefited from having perhaps the largest payroll. don't think he's going anywhere because hal trusts him and his process. 

1 week ago  ::  Nov 18, 2020 - 10:50AM #7
GottaGoToMo
Posts: 80,851

Nov 18, 2020 -- 10:49AM, bumper wrote:


Nov 18, 2020 -- 10:20AM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Nov 18, 2020 -- 12:39AM, chl45 wrote:


Like any Head man in charge he has some plus's and minus's. His pitching record is not good. He has more Pavano's and Weavers than Sabathia's and Cole's. His judgement listening to the scouts decisions on defensive ability's on these great young hitters we have leaves a lot to be desired. Any talent evaluators we have, think our player development people are  really good at projecting the trainability of players like Andujar and Torres. Cashman hasn't done anything to hold them accountable and that's on him. We have the same people apparently. As far as Bird that was a big swing and a miss on Cashman for holding  on to him to long, and IMO, handling him all wrong  by bringing him back to soon, twice no less. He ruined that kid.


His faith in Judge staying healthy is a little on the gamble side but that I don't blame him for because Judge is worth taking the risk on. I just would watch him carefully until his contract comes due and Judge may just be the guy that gets Cashman kicked upstairs if he can't stay healthy and his trade value goes in the dumper. Risky player for Cashman to make a decision on eventually IMO. Overall he has done a good job but he has saved a lot of critics from bashing him in 2020 with his discovery two season's ago, for Urshela, Voit and Tauchman.  Ford also looks like a swing and a miss but has potential .Also for keeping Frazier when all wanted that kid gone mostly 3 years ago, including me. He tried to trade him but no one wanted to pay the price. Overall Cashman will never be fired IMO, he will just be kicked upstairs when they are done with him I think. I give him a C+ overall since he has been the GM here, even with his warts. 




I wouldn't give Cashman any kudos for Tauchman and Ford.




they were an important part of last season's "next man up" krewe. unfortunately they had their moment of glory and reverted back to what they were - career minor leaguers. so how about partial credit .


overall i would give cashman a B-. maybe C- to C for pitching and B to B+ for offense. while he did build a good bullpen, the starters haven't panned out. though there's been some bad luck w virtually every pitcher getting injured. you can start w wang right up through severino, montgomery, paxton and even german (not an injury). tanaka's elbow is hanging on by a thread. sonny gray couldn't pitch in NY.


DJLM, voit & urshela were master strokes as were the trades for torres & frazier. at one point the future looked bright w the baby bombers. sometimes players just don't work out. ellsbury was a disaster and stanton's story has 7 more years to tell. overall he's benefited from having perhaps the largest payroll. don't think he's going anywhere because hal trusts him and his process. 




One season ... so a very small kudos on them.

1 week ago  ::  Nov 18, 2020 - 11:10AM #8
newinn
Posts: 36,244

I think Cashman has been and is one of the top GM's in baseball. I think it's incredible how quickly he turned this team around in 2017 from an old team to a young team with a bright future. That being said, perhaps the time is here that a fresh set of eyes look at this roster. 

1 week ago  ::  Nov 18, 2020 - 11:32AM #9
yankoldfan
Posts: 10,652

The youth movement is just that, unproven kids that can have a good year up in their first year... I think we can agree that we had several, Judge, Sanchez, Torres, Andujar, all had very good first-year professional seasons... What we seem to forget is the game has a way of adjusting to the players, they get a book on these young kids and sometimes know their weaknesses is found sooner than later... We are seeing where players like Sanchez, even Judge have struggled some with strikeouts into their second and third years... If they are going to live up to their first-year hype they need to make adjustments too, better strike zone knowledge would improve both players...

1 week ago  ::  Nov 18, 2020 - 11:35AM #10
newinn
Posts: 36,244

They aren't nor have they exactly been the "62 Mets. This team has competed for a Championship virtyally all of Cashmans tenure including last year

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