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Cleveland To Change Team Name
1 month ago  ::  Dec 15, 2020 - 12:53PM #21
Rob
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Dec 14, 2020 -- 8:54PM, jimwest wrote:


Dec 14, 2020 -- 4:49PM, Rob wrote:


Dec 14, 2020 -- 3:31PM, jimwest wrote:


Dec 14, 2020 -- 9:27AM, chl45 wrote:


How about the Cleveland "No Backbones." Ya know letting some form of PC dictate to erase their storied history and putting them in oblivion as far as a new young generation is concerned. Actually this should be in the political forum to be honest. Seems more appropriate. What about Yankees? That's offensive to people in the south, I mean how ridiculous does PC want to go? Think about it.





No backbones seems appropriate. I've never seen the name as offensive, if anything, more respectful, honoring indians. It isn't a slur, or derogatory towards those people. That is literally what they are, American Indians. The bothersome thing is that most indians have no issue with team names. It is others who insert themselves in these areas who make a stink about trivial things.


Please don't even bring up changing the Yankees name even in jest. It might give some loons something else to attack our team about.


If the Yanks ever did change the name, I'd be done with the team.




Jim, you don't think they should change it to avoid offending those living in the south (especially those still fighting the Civil War)?




I presume you are kidding around, Rob. :-)  I've traveled in the south a lot, and have been called a "Yankee" sometimes. But I never took it in a negative way, as people like to tease. It never bothered me to be called that by southerners.


People should develop a thicker skin regarding harmless monikers.




Yes, kidding, sort of.  My wife lived in Alabama for a while in the 60s. She was called "Yank" but never took it as an insult.  She did say, however, a lot of peiople were sill fighting the civil war then.  If the last 4 years have taught us anything, it is thatr they still are.



Atlanta Braves now getting called on to change their name.

1 month ago  ::  Dec 15, 2020 - 3:01PM #22
jimwest
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Dec 15, 2020 -- 12:53PM, Rob wrote:


Dec 14, 2020 -- 8:54PM, jimwest wrote:


Dec 14, 2020 -- 4:49PM, Rob wrote:


Dec 14, 2020 -- 3:31PM, jimwest wrote:


Dec 14, 2020 -- 9:27AM, chl45 wrote:


How about the Cleveland "No Backbones." Ya know letting some form of PC dictate to erase their storied history and putting them in oblivion as far as a new young generation is concerned. Actually this should be in the political forum to be honest. Seems more appropriate. What about Yankees? That's offensive to people in the south, I mean how ridiculous does PC want to go? Think about it.





No backbones seems appropriate. I've never seen the name as offensive, if anything, more respectful, honoring indians. It isn't a slur, or derogatory towards those people. That is literally what they are, American Indians. The bothersome thing is that most indians have no issue with team names. It is others who insert themselves in these areas who make a stink about trivial things.


Please don't even bring up changing the Yankees name even in jest. It might give some loons something else to attack our team about.


If the Yanks ever did change the name, I'd be done with the team.




Jim, you don't think they should change it to avoid offending those living in the south (especially those still fighting the Civil War)?




I presume you are kidding around, Rob. :-)  I've traveled in the south a lot, and have been called a "Yankee" sometimes. But I never took it in a negative way, as people like to tease. It never bothered me to be called that by southerners.


People should develop a thicker skin regarding harmless monikers.




Yes, kidding, sort of.  My wife lived in Alabama for a while in the 60s. She was called "Yank" but never took it as an insult.  She did say, however, a lot of peiople were sill fighting the civil war then.  If the last 4 years have taught us anything, it is thatr they still are.



Atlanta Braves now getting called on to change their name.




The country has its numerous variations regionally. North-South, New England, Midwest, Pacific Coast, etc., so there is teasing and needling about that (accents, culture, weather, etc.) back-and-forth. Most of it seems to be good natured rivalry, like siblings in a family.


I had read that the Cleveland Indians were fine with their nickname, as are most American Indians, so this is surprising. Like I said, honoring, not demeaning, the nation's indians, their heritage and history. It is just a very small subset of so-called "activists", who bellyache about a sports team's name.


There are much more serious issues facing the nation, and they should concern themselves with those. Changing a team name improves nothing for no one.


Where did you hear that about the Braves? That is a great name - Braves are indian warriors. I've read that indians like it, as again, it is honoring.

1 month ago  ::  Dec 15, 2020 - 3:37PM #23
Max
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Yankee is just a nickname for a person from the north, it's not an insult. Redskins is an insult, but in my opinion the name Indians isn't. But I can see where some were insulted by the Indian logo that the team doesn't use anymore. The Indians' owner bought the team so he has the right to change the name and logo. With all that's going on in the world, changing the name of his team is not a big deal.


Fans that are complaining will eventually not care about the name change just like no one cares that the Highlanders changed their name to the Yankees or when the St. Louis Browns moved to Baltimore and changed their name to the Orioles. 

1 month ago  ::  Dec 15, 2020 - 4:08PM #24
SSBob
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Dec 15, 2020 -- 3:37PM, Max wrote:


Yankee is just a nickname for a person from the north, it's not an insult. Redskins is an insult, but in my opinion the name Indians isn't. But I can see where some were insulted by the Indian logo that the team doesn't use anymore. The Indians' owner bought the team so he has the right to change the name and logo. With all that's going on in the world, changing the name of his team is not a big deal.


Fans that are complaining will eventually not care about the name change just like no one cares that the Highlanders changed their name to the Yankees or when the St. Louis Browns moved to Baltimore and changed their name to the Orioles. 




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Frequently when professional sports teams move it makes little sense to keep the original name, especially if it has a deep connection to the original city.


The Colts name was iconic in Baltimore, not so much in Indianapolis. Minneapolis Lakers makes perfect sense; Los Angeles Lakers does not. At least Tennessee Titans changed their name from Oilers a few years after moving from Houston.


My all-time favorite is the Utah Jazz, which kept the name after moving from New Orleans. Anyone who's ever been to SLC knows it's not much of a jazz hotbed.

1 month ago  ::  Dec 15, 2020 - 5:53PM #25
Don
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1 month ago  ::  Dec 16, 2020 - 6:42PM #26
FW57Clipper51
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Dec 15, 2020 -- 3:37PM, Max wrote:


Yankee is just a nickname for a person from the north, it's not an insult. Redskins is an insult, but in my opinion the name Indians isn't. But I can see where some were insulted by the Indian logo that the team doesn't use anymore. The Indians' owner bought the team so he has the right to change the name and logo. With all that's going on in the world, changing the name of his team is not a big deal.


Fans that are complaining will eventually not care about the name change just like no one cares that the Highlanders changed their name to the Yankees or when the St. Louis Browns moved to Baltimore and changed their name to the Orioles. 




The new owners of the St. Louis Browns moved the team to Baltimore in 1954; they picked the popular "Orioles" nickname, since it was used by the Minor League teams since 1903, when the original Baltimore Orioles franchise was moved to New York City in the winter of 1902 to became the American League's New York City's baseball franchise, which was become the known as the "Highlanders," later the Yankees. The San Diego Padres and the Los Angeles Angels were Minor League teams in the Pacific Coast League, they kept the team names, when when the became MLB clubs. The A's, Braves, Giants and the Dodgers kept their team names, when they made their city franchise shifts. In 1915, the Yankees almost became the Knickblockers, because of Jacob' Ruppert's Beer brand, but he wisely listen to the NYC sportswriters about keeping the "Yankees" name instead of his idea.



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1 month ago  ::  Dec 16, 2020 - 10:50PM #27
davis2
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How about the Cleveland Steamers?

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