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Yankees can't afford players??
3 days ago  ::  Jan 12, 2021 - 1:56PM #1
smitty
Posts: 40

Apparently Brian Cashman said that the Yankees checked in on Lindor but they knew it would only be a 1yr rental for him.  The Mets will probably attempt to extend him, but the Yankees can't afford the 10yr/$300M contract that Lindor would be seeking.  I fully expected them to be in on the FA SS next offseason (if they miss out on DJ) but this sends a much different message.



Right now the Yankees team payroll is $166M.  That's $44M below the $210M tax threshold.  Some guys will be getting raises but they also have money coming off.



The following contracts come off the books 
$9M - Ottavino
$5M - Ellsbury


Someone like Hicks contract could also be moved.  And after 2022 Chapman becomes a free agent for around $17.2M to come off the payroll.


They're dragging their feet with DJ and not sure how much more payroll will really get added before the start of the season, and whether its money that will be on the 2022 payroll or not.



Right now we have at least $44M that could be spent to improve the club. Following this season there will be new negotiations for the CBA and we could potentially be free to spend even more money without tax penalties.  Really sick of hearing them act like they're broke.

3 days ago  ::  Jan 12, 2021 - 2:28PM #2
GottaGoToMo
Posts: 81,057

Someone like Hicks contract could also be moved.  




How do you do that when he has a guaranteed contract?

3 days ago  ::  Jan 12, 2021 - 2:46PM #3
smitty
Posts: 40

Jan 12, 2021 -- 2:28PM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Someone like Hicks contract could also be moved.  




How do you do that when he has a guaranteed contract?




"Moved" as in traded to another team who will take the contract. I wouldn't say its likely but its very possible.

3 days ago  ::  Jan 12, 2021 - 5:14PM #4
GottaGoToMo
Posts: 81,057

Jan 12, 2021 -- 2:46PM, smitty wrote:


Jan 12, 2021 -- 2:28PM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Someone like Hicks contract could also be moved.  




How do you do that when he has a guaranteed contract?




"Moved" as in traded to another team who will take the contract. I wouldn't say its likely but its very possible.




No one is taking on Hicks' contract.

3 days ago  ::  Jan 12, 2021 - 5:18PM #5
smitty
Posts: 40

Jan 12, 2021 -- 5:14PM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Jan 12, 2021 -- 2:46PM, smitty wrote:


Jan 12, 2021 -- 2:28PM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Someone like Hicks contract could also be moved.  




How do you do that when he has a guaranteed contract?




"Moved" as in traded to another team who will take the contract. I wouldn't say its likely but its very possible.




No one is taking on Hicks' contract.




You really think no team would take a player of Hicks caliber at just $10M/yr?  Especially if he has a strong 2021... haha ok.

3 days ago  ::  Jan 12, 2021 - 6:06PM #6
luvdayanks
Posts: 28,254

Jan 12, 2021 -- 1:56PM, smitty wrote:


Apparently Brian Cashman said that the Yankees checked in on Lindor but they knew it would only be a 1yr rental for him.  The Mets will probably attempt to extend him, but the Yankees can't afford the 10yr/$300M contract that Lindor would be seeking.  I fully expected them to be in on the FA SS next offseason (if they miss out on DJ) but this sends a much different message.



Right now the Yankees team payroll is $166M.  That's $44M below the $210M tax threshold.  Some guys will be getting raises but they also have money coming off.



The following contracts come off the books 
$9M - Ottavino
$5M - Ellsbury


Someone like Hicks contract could also be moved.  And after 2022 Chapman becomes a free agent for around $17.2M to come off the payroll.


They're dragging their feet with DJ and not sure how much more payroll will really get added before the start of the season, and whether its money that will be on the 2022 payroll or not.



Right now we have at least $44M that could be spent to improve the club. Following this season there will be new negotiations for the CBA and we could potentially be free to spend even more money without tax penalties.  Really sick of hearing them act like they're broke.




First of all, there's no guarantee Ottavino's contract will come off the books, with the state of the bullpen there's a good chance he returns. Second, how are they dragging their feet? No high profile free agents have been signed ant the Yankees are waiting to see if and when other teams make an offer to DJ. Do you want them to bid against themselves? Third, you're really sick of hearing them act like their broke? In case you haven't noticed, this is a business they run and with the losses in revenues last season and most likely this season, they're not going to go overboard on spending to appease the restless natives.

3 days ago  ::  Jan 12, 2021 - 7:45PM #7
bumper
Posts: 8,161

Jan 12, 2021 -- 6:06PM, luvdayanks wrote:


Jan 12, 2021 -- 1:56PM, smitty wrote:


Apparently Brian Cashman said that the Yankees checked in on Lindor but they knew it would only be a 1yr rental for him.  The Mets will probably attempt to extend him, but the Yankees can't afford the 10yr/$300M contract that Lindor would be seeking.  I fully expected them to be in on the FA SS next offseason (if they miss out on DJ) but this sends a much different message.



Right now the Yankees team payroll is $166M.  That's $44M below the $210M tax threshold.  Some guys will be getting raises but they also have money coming off.



The following contracts come off the books 
$9M - Ottavino
$5M - Ellsbury


Someone like Hicks contract could also be moved.  And after 2022 Chapman becomes a free agent for around $17.2M to come off the payroll.


They're dragging their feet with DJ and not sure how much more payroll will really get added before the start of the season, and whether its money that will be on the 2022 payroll or not.



Right now we have at least $44M that could be spent to improve the club. Following this season there will be new negotiations for the CBA and we could potentially be free to spend even more money without tax penalties.  Really sick of hearing them act like they're broke.




First of all, there's no guarantee Ottavino's contract will come off the books, with the state of the bullpen there's a good chance he returns. Second, how are they dragging their feet? No high profile free agents have been signed ant the Yankees are waiting to see if and when other teams make an offer to DJ. Do you want them to bid against themselves? Third, you're really sick of hearing them act like their broke? In case you haven't noticed, this is a business they run and with the losses in revenues last season and most likely this season, they're not going to go overboard on spending to appease the restless natives.




apparently the yankees are running a charity for their fan's amusement and they can't win w/o a payroll of $250/260 mil. tell that to the rays.


after last year's substantial losses and probably facing more this season, the last thing ownership wants to do is pay a penalty (LT) for spending too much.

3 days ago  ::  Jan 12, 2021 - 8:12PM #8
smitty
Posts: 40

Jan 12, 2021 -- 6:06PM, luvdayanks wrote:


Jan 12, 2021 -- 1:56PM, smitty wrote:


Apparently Brian Cashman said that the Yankees checked in on Lindor but they knew it would only be a 1yr rental for him.  The Mets will probably attempt to extend him, but the Yankees can't afford the 10yr/$300M contract that Lindor would be seeking.  I fully expected them to be in on the FA SS next offseason (if they miss out on DJ) but this sends a much different message.



Right now the Yankees team payroll is $166M.  That's $44M below the $210M tax threshold.  Some guys will be getting raises but they also have money coming off.



The following contracts come off the books 
$9M - Ottavino
$5M - Ellsbury


Someone like Hicks contract could also be moved.  And after 2022 Chapman becomes a free agent for around $17.2M to come off the payroll.


They're dragging their feet with DJ and not sure how much more payroll will really get added before the start of the season, and whether its money that will be on the 2022 payroll or not.



Right now we have at least $44M that could be spent to improve the club. Following this season there will be new negotiations for the CBA and we could potentially be free to spend even more money without tax penalties.  Really sick of hearing them act like they're broke.




First of all, there's no guarantee Ottavino's contract will come off the books, with the state of the bullpen there's a good chance he returns. Second, how are they dragging their feet? No high profile free agents have been signed ant the Yankees are waiting to see if and when other teams make an offer to DJ. Do you want them to bid against themselves? Third, you're really sick of hearing them act like their broke? In case you haven't noticed, this is a business they run and with the losses in revenues last season and most likely this season, they're not going to go overboard on spending to appease the restless natives.





Right off the bat I can tell you have no clue, when you think there's a good chance they'll bring back Otto.  They haven't been able to count on him 2 years in a row late in the season and in the playoffs.  In 2020 couldn't count on him at all.  He'll be 36 years old as a free agent.


They're dragging their feet because they haven't done anything to improve the club.  That's not just "high-profile free agents"  They've also talked a lot about being pressed for money, only a sheep believes that.


Right now they have a rotation of


Cole
Montgomery (2020 stats: 10 GS, 44 IP, 5.11 ERA)
Garcia (2020 stats: 6 GS, 34 IP, 4.98 ERA) - a guy the Yankees didn't even trust to pitch more than 1 inning vs the Rays in the ALDS.
German (did not pitch in 2020)
??????
??????


And if you want to talk about our problems with the bullpen it will be even worse with a 162 game season and this as our starters.  Severino will likely be back around July, and has barely pitched in 2 years.

3 days ago  ::  Jan 12, 2021 - 9:09PM #9
jimwest
Posts: 3,224

Jan 12, 2021 -- 1:56PM, smitty wrote:


Apparently Brian Cashman said that the Yankees checked in on Lindor but they knew it would only be a 1yr rental for him.  The Mets will probably attempt to extend him, but the Yankees can't afford the 10yr/$300M contract that Lindor would be seeking.  I fully expected them to be in on the FA SS next offseason (if they miss out on DJ) but this sends a much different message.



Right now the Yankees team payroll is $166M.  That's $44M below the $210M tax threshold.  Some guys will be getting raises but they also have money coming off.



The following contracts come off the books 
$9M - Ottavino
$5M - Ellsbury


Someone like Hicks contract could also be moved.  And after 2022 Chapman becomes a free agent for around $17.2M to come off the payroll.


They're dragging their feet with DJ and not sure how much more payroll will really get added before the start of the season, and whether its money that will be on the 2022 payroll or not.



Right now we have at least $44M that could be spent to improve the club. Following this season there will be new negotiations for the CBA and we could potentially be free to spend even more money without tax penalties.  Really sick of hearing them act like they're broke.




Cashman wasted time "checking in" on Lindor if he was only to be a 1 year rental. Giving up a bunch of talent to trade for a single year player isn't intelligent. The Mets are definitely going to try hard to sign Lindor long term.


The top shortstops that may be available after '21 may only be Story and Correa. Unless Lindor does not get what he wants from the NYM. I believe the LAD will re-sign Seager, unless they decide to put the highly touted Gavin Lux at short. LeMathieu is not a regular SS, so I don't see them signing him for that spot.  


Ottavino is signed at $9m for 2021. Ellsbury's $5m buyout goes against the CBT tax payroll. Cot's has the NYY payroll at $174.5m currently, so they have about $35m to spend and stay under the threshold. 


Hicks contract dollar-wise isn't that onerous, but signing him for 7 years was a mistake. At 31, being injury-prone, and signed through 2025, his contract is tough to move. Chapman gets $16m for 2021 and '22, then he is a FA.

3 days ago  ::  Jan 12, 2021 - 10:06PM #10
davis2
Posts: 18,479

Jan 12, 2021 -- 8:12PM, smitty wrote:


Jan 12, 2021 -- 6:06PM, luvdayanks wrote:


Jan 12, 2021 -- 1:56PM, smitty wrote:


Apparently Brian Cashman said that the Yankees checked in on Lindor but they knew it would only be a 1yr rental for him.  The Mets will probably attempt to extend him, but the Yankees can't afford the 10yr/$300M contract that Lindor would be seeking.  I fully expected them to be in on the FA SS next offseason (if they miss out on DJ) but this sends a much different message.



Right now the Yankees team payroll is $166M.  That's $44M below the $210M tax threshold.  Some guys will be getting raises but they also have money coming off.



The following contracts come off the books 
$9M - Ottavino
$5M - Ellsbury


Someone like Hicks contract could also be moved.  And after 2022 Chapman becomes a free agent for around $17.2M to come off the payroll.


They're dragging their feet with DJ and not sure how much more payroll will really get added before the start of the season, and whether its money that will be on the 2022 payroll or not.



Right now we have at least $44M that could be spent to improve the club. Following this season there will be new negotiations for the CBA and we could potentially be free to spend even more money without tax penalties.  Really sick of hearing them act like they're broke.




First of all, there's no guarantee Ottavino's contract will come off the books, with the state of the bullpen there's a good chance he returns. Second, how are they dragging their feet? No high profile free agents have been signed ant the Yankees are waiting to see if and when other teams make an offer to DJ. Do you want them to bid against themselves? Third, you're really sick of hearing them act like their broke? In case you haven't noticed, this is a business they run and with the losses in revenues last season and most likely this season, they're not going to go overboard on spending to appease the restless natives.





Right off the bat I can tell you have no clue, when you think there's a good chance they'll bring back Otto.  They haven't been able to count on him 2 years in a row late in the season and in the playoffs.  In 2020 couldn't count on him at all.  He'll be 36 years old as a free agent.


They're dragging their feet because they haven't done anything to improve the club.  That's not just "high-profile free agents"  They've also talked a lot about being pressed for money, only a sheep believes that.


Right now they have a rotation of


Cole
Montgomery (2020 stats: 10 GS, 44 IP, 5.11 ERA)
Garcia (2020 stats: 6 GS, 34 IP, 4.98 ERA) - a guy the Yankees didn't even trust to pitch more than 1 inning vs the Rays in the ALDS.
German (did not pitch in 2020)
??????
??????


And if you want to talk about our problems with the bullpen it will be even worse with a 162 game season and this as our starters.  Severino will likely be back around July, and has barely pitched in 2 years.



Well Shmitty, the Yanks just may have to live like the Rays this year... Guess we have to just friggin' deal with it. With the current conditions, I really can't blame the teams for not spending a whole lot. Something cheap will drop into their lap, I'm sure...

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