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11 years ago  ::  Nov 11, 2011 - 1:23PM #101
JT
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This is just one big game of finger pointing by PSU to go along with the suspect claiming that everything is false. I can understand that this could be false accusations of there was 1 or 2 victims but when you have 8 victims, 8!!!!!, there is nothing false about it.

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11 years ago  ::  Nov 11, 2011 - 1:28PM #102
yank0428
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Nov 11, 2011 -- 1:00PM, JoeGNJ wrote:


Nov 11, 2011 -- 12:10PM, BillyTheKid wrote:


Nov 11, 2011 -- 11:26AM, JT wrote:



Someone mentioned about how much did McQueary actually know?


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when McQueary saw what happened in the shower in 2002 ...




I believe McQueary was 28 when he saw Sandusky sexually assaulting the boy in the Penn State locker room shower in 2002.  According to McQueary's Grandjury testimony, he told Paterno about that crime the next day.  This is first confirmed time frame that Paterno knew Sandusky was using Penn State athletic facilities to attract his young rape victims. 


However it is far more likely that Paterno knew Sandusky was raping young boys at the Penn State athletic facilities long before 2002.  But Paterno covered it up and continued to let Sandusky rape young boys for between 9 and 15 years.   




Thats when McQ should have immediately called the police, not wait to tell Paterno. If he had any ballz, he shoudl have intervned to save the kid.  He's more guilty than JoePa. Its the same as if he saw a woman being raped in an alley, and walk into coach the next day to tell him. NO EXCUSE for McQ. His job was to call the cops.



Joe I disagree about McQ being more guilty the Paterno. He is down the list. He should have intervened right away which I'm sure he regrets and feels like a coward but there are reports of him breaking up a knife fight between students. It just shows how afraid of the people in power he was and how powerful they were. He went to his higher ups and at least attempted to do something. He should have intervened right in the begining and then go right to the Police but those above him continued to cover up for this scum Sandusky when they knew at the least that there were prior incidents with him. McQ is a coward but the rest IMO are criminals covering up for a pedofile so as not to bring shame to there program.

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11 years ago  ::  Nov 11, 2011 - 2:02PM #103
Walton
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Nov 11, 2011 -- 12:22AM, yankeedoodle wrote:


Nov 11, 2011 -- 12:07AM, Walton wrote:


The great thing about hindsight is that it is always 20-20. So many "experts" have so many opinions on the matter. Where would the world be without "the experts." Guys like Greenspan and Bernanke who predicted the mortgage crisis "would not be that much of a problem." God Bless the "experts."...............I have do idea what I would have done in Joe Paterno's situation. I wasn't there and because I wasn't there I can't comment on it. Guys like Dr Drew know what they would have done though. They got the whole thing figured out. The older I get the less I know.




Walton you must be kidding.. Any sensible person would have gone to the police. Paterno was protecting an old boys network or something worse.  We're not talking about stealing pencils, it's the rape of a minor in the locker rooms.  If Paterno was fearful of the police publicity he should have castrated the pig himself but instead he allowed him continue on his merry way destroying young lives.  It doesn't take a genius to do the right thing here, Greenspan would have called the cops BTW...




Woulda, shoulda, coulda....................I worked in the field of Mental Health and Substance Abuse for over twenty years and dealt with this type of thing {not that often but more often than I wanted too.} Joe Paterno by Pennsylvania Law did what he was required to do. He reported it to his superior. Joe Paterno is 84 years old and he was 75 when he learned of the Sandusky shower incident. I'm not sure how "educated" or "aware" Joe was. It seems so "clear cut" what he should have done in retrospect but alot of times in life the whole scenario isn't as clear to the person involved at the time. I'm not that eager to throw Paterno under the bus. Maybe I'm getting soft. I'm a Democrat yet I don't get any great "charge" over Rick Perry's failure in the last debate. I don't get much joy anymore out of pointing the finger at people. I used to love it but not anymore. I could point the finger at myself over a few things through the years.

11 years ago  ::  Nov 11, 2011 - 3:22PM #104
cja75
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Nov 11, 2011 -- 2:02PM, Walton wrote:


Nov 11, 2011 -- 12:22AM, yankeedoodle wrote:


Nov 11, 2011 -- 12:07AM, Walton wrote:


The great thing about hindsight is that it is always 20-20. So many "experts" have so many opinions on the matter. Where would the world be without "the experts." Guys like Greenspan and Bernanke who predicted the mortgage crisis "would not be that much of a problem." God Bless the "experts."...............I have do idea what I would have done in Joe Paterno's situation. I wasn't there and because I wasn't there I can't comment on it. Guys like Dr Drew know what they would have done though. They got the whole thing figured out. The older I get the less I know.




Walton you must be kidding.. Any sensible person would have gone to the police. Paterno was protecting an old boys network or something worse.  We're not talking about stealing pencils, it's the rape of a minor in the locker rooms.  If Paterno was fearful of the police publicity he should have castrated the pig himself but instead he allowed him continue on his merry way destroying young lives.  It doesn't take a genius to do the right thing here, Greenspan would have called the cops BTW...




Woulda, shoulda, coulda....................I worked in the field of Mental Health and Substance Abuse for over twenty years and dealt with this type of thing {not that often but more often than I wanted too.} Joe Paterno by Pennsylvania Law did what he was required to do. He reported it to his superior. Joe Paterno is 84 years old and he was 75 when he learned of the Sandusky shower incident. I'm not sure how "educated" or "aware" Joe was. It seems so "clear cut" what he should have done in retrospect but alot of times in life the whole scenario isn't as clear to the person involved at the time. I'm not that eager to throw Paterno under the bus. Maybe I'm getting soft. I'm a Democrat yet I don't get any great "charge" over Rick Perry's failure in the last debate. I don't get much joy anymore out of pointing the finger at people. I used to love it but not anymore. I could point the finger at myself over a few things through the years.




  I understand what you are saying but this has been going on a long time.  Joe knew for sure in 1998 but I would be willing to bet that he knew of problems before that.  The depth of this coverup and the insanity of the "penn stater" mentallity is worse than most people think


  Rememeber that the guy who didnt prosecute in 1998 DISAPEARED after he had gotten "disguted" with the football program according to a familly spokesperson.  The did however find comuter parts one of which turned out to be the hard drive of his laptop but wouldnt you know it someone destroyed it so data wasn't recoverable.   But I am sure the law enforcement out there looked for him/ tried to solve that case real hard *rolling eyes*  


 Reporters have tried to report on this for years but are stonewalled.  Hopefully more will come to light but it makes me EXTREMELY suspicious when you have a story that involves dead DAs,  child rape, cover up by law enforcement and press not being alowweed freedom.  


  Happy valley just sounds like a cult doesnt it?  IT sounds like an exaggeration  but in the end what went on there will look more like a cult than a football program I'm afraid. 



   I feel bad for all the good people involved in Penn state and were fooled by all the "values" of the people who were supposed to be leaders there.  I said in a post before I go there with special olympics teams I coach several times a year and I see so many of them that volunteer their time to make people nobody cares about feel good for a couple days.  I really think many many people had the wool pulled over their eyes for a long time by a few dirtbags

11 years ago  ::  Nov 11, 2011 - 4:46PM #105
JT
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PSU has put McQueary on administrative leave.

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11 years ago  ::  Nov 11, 2011 - 11:14PM #106
JoeGNJ
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Nov 11, 2011 -- 4:46PM, JT wrote:


PSU has put McQueary on administrative leave.




Hopefully for good! He's gutless.

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11 years ago  ::  Nov 12, 2011 - 12:36PM #107
BillyTheKid
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Nov 11, 2011 -- 2:02PM, Walton wrote:


 Joe Paterno by Pennsylvania Law did what he was required to do. He reported it to his superior.




I live in Massachusetts, under our mandated reporter law (Massachusetts GL c .119 sec. 51A) Paterno is a “mandated reporter” and I don’t know of any exception that excludes him from reporting the allegations of child abuse, by simply bumping up the allegations to superiors.


 


Another interesting thing is Paterno crossed a lot of state lines with that child raping scum bag, I wonder what those state laws are?  Apparently Sandusky is being investigated in San Antonio Texas for allegations that occurred at the Alimo bowl in the late 1990s, I hope they look into Paterno’s involvement too.




11 years ago  ::  Nov 12, 2011 - 12:42PM #108
BillyTheKid
Posts: 5,894

Nov 11, 2011 -- 1:23PM, JT wrote:


This is just one big game of finger pointing by PSU to go along with the suspect claiming that everything is false. I can understand that this could be false accusations of there was 1 or 2 victims but when you have 8 victims, 8!!!!!, there is nothing false about it.




McQueary’s Grand Jury testimony, and multiple disclosures by victims clearly makes proves beyond a reasonable doubt Sandusky molested and raped young boys and that Penn State officials, including Paterno allowed Sandusky to use Penn State Athletic facilities to bait his young prey

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