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11 years ago  ::  Nov 11, 2011 - 8:23AM #81
laurenfrances
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Here's the part that bothered me...McQ is not a small man, nature instinct would have taken him to at least grab the boy and take him out of harms way.  Instead he abandoned him for Sandusky to continue him abuse..... allowing him to take the boy back to his house of horrors.  From the reports I have read posted by Cleese he is one among many young boys who suffered unquestionable abuse from this predator. 


All adults involved abandon these children as Sandusky was given given privileges at PSU to continue his assault without restraints.  It's like giving drugs to an addict.  Sandusky was exposed to many children through his organization and this availability is music to his ears. Knowing well his colleagues will look the other way has embolden his maniacal sense.  Watching many provide support for this administration is disappointingly sad.

11 years ago  ::  Nov 11, 2011 - 8:37AM #82
YankeeLoon
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McQueary is a coward of the worst kind. To continue glad-handing with Sandusky and even Paterno after he knew there was zero law enforcement reporting of his eye-witness account is or should be criminal negligence.  Who the F walks away from such a scene and then continues working there? Unbelievable.  And his father is an idiot too but what a shock.
11 years ago  ::  Nov 11, 2011 - 8:56AM #83
laurenfrances
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Nov 11, 2011 -- 8:37AM, YankeeLoon wrote:

McQueary is a coward of the worst kind. To continue glad-handing with Sandusky and even Paterno after he knew there was zero law enforcement reporting of his eye-witness account is or should be criminal negligence. Who the F walks away from such a scene and then continues working there? Unbelievable. And his father is an idiot too but what a shock.



...and his wife was clueless with his activities?  What was she thinking as he heads to the basement in the middle of the night...disgustingly she's another one of many enablers.  As Sandusky has adopted children, if I was investigating I'd be looking into his parental activities.

11 years ago  ::  Nov 11, 2011 - 9:15AM #84
laurenfrances
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A Patriot-News Special Report: Who knew what about Jerry Sandusky? There were many missed chances to investigate as early as 1995


Published: Friday, November 11, 2011, 12:19 AM     Updated: Friday, November 11, 2011, 8:02 AM

What did they know and when did they know it? The Jerry Sandusky child sex abuse case has already cost the jobs of football coach Joe Paterno and university President Graham Spanier. State and federal investigators continue to unravel the case and might bring additional charges.
    
More than one tip has already come into the tipline that police have set up for potential victims.
    
But in the end, it’s going to come down to credibility. Stories contradict each other. Grand jury testimony clashes.
    
Who was telling the truth? Who was trying to keep the truth silent?
    
And what part did that silence play in the fact that Sandusky is alleged to have sexually assaulted young boys for 10 years after the first boy stepped forward?
    
In early 2010, before The Patriot-News broke the story of the Sandusky investigation, the newspaper confronted Spanier and asked him if he was aware of a grand jury investigation into Sandusky. His answer was no.
    
By his own testimony before the grand jury, Spanier knew as early as 2002 that Sandusky and a young boy had been witnessed “horsing around” by a staff member in the locker room of the football building.
    
It’s not clear if Spanier also knew about a six-week investigation by his university’s police force that centered around similar touching in a shower in 1998 that never led to charges.
    
However, now-resigned Vice President Gary Schultz, who was in charge of the campus police in 1998 and in 2002, did know about both reports, and in his grand jury testimony, he acknowledged that they were similar — they both involved young boys and allegations of sexual misconduct in a shower at the football building.Right now, the case against Schultz and Athletic Director Tim Curley — both charged with perjury and failure to report a crime — hinges mainly on the word of that eyewitness, then-graduate student Mike McQueary. McQueary is now a Penn State assistant football coach.
    
McQueary is a guy who once stepped in and broke up a player-related knife fight in a campus dining hall — a fight police admit could have been very ugly. But this week, he is getting blasted by the public for doing too little.
    
That same public sentiment led to an abrupt exit for legendary coach Paterno and Spanier.
    
But if gossip, rumor and speculation have been rampant this week about Spanier, Paterno and McQueary, the facts are more complicated — and much more disturbing.

EARLY CONCERNS
    
The earliest documented report of possible abuse at the hands of Sandusky is in 1995, when his now-legally adopted son was still a teenage foster child in his home.
    
The adoption file for Matt Sandusky, who had a different name at the time, contains letters of concern from his mother to children and youth officials and to a Centre County judge.
    
Matt’s biological mother, Debra Long, testified before the grand jury.
    
Matt, 33, is not one of the victims in the grand jury presentment, but he did testify before the grand jury.
    
Sandusky’s attorney, Joe Amendola, said Long is upset with Sandusky for helping her son and her allegations are not based in fact. Matt went to live with the Sandusky family after he was caught setting fire to a barn in 1995.
    
Children and Youth Services placed him with the Sandusky family at Jerry Sandusky’s request. He knew Matt through The Second Mile.
    
In his book, “Touched: The Jerry Sandusky Story” several pages are devoted to Matt.
    
“He became an instant challenge for me,” Sandusky writes.
    
Debra Long was allowed to visit her son only one-half day per month after he went to live with the Sanduskys.
    
About four months after he went to live with Jerry, Matt attempted suicide with a girl who was also staying at Sandusky’s house.
    
“The probation department has some serious concerns about the juvenile’s safety and his current progress in placement with the Sandusky family,” wrote Terry L. Trude, a school-based probation officer, days after the suicide attempt.
    
The letter, addressed to Centre County Judge David Grine, also said Long was concerned about Matt’s safety and mental condition, and asked that Matt go to a different foster family.
    
Trude finally recommended that Matt’s placement in the Sandusky house be reviewed within two months.
    
The night of the suicide attempt, Matt wrote a letter to the probation officer dealing with his case.
    
It read, in part: “I would like to be placed back with the Sanduskys. I feel that they have supported me even when I have messed up. They are a loving caring group of people. I love both my biological family and the Sandusky family.”
    
The day Jerry Sandusky was arrested, Matt brought his kids over to Jerry’s house. The mother of Matt’s children almost immediately went to court to prevent future visits. A judge’s order now prevents Sandusky from having unsupervised contact or overnight visits with his grandchildren.

THE FIRST VICTIM TO ASK FOR HELP

The travesty and tragedy of botched attempts to investigate Jerry Sandusky began in 1998.
    
Though the grand jury indictment includes four previous victims, an 11-year old boy in 1998 was the first to come forward. He is called Victim Six in the grand jury presentment.
    
The boy told police that Sandusky had showered naked with him. A second boy was in the showers at the time, but did not testify before the grand jury.Then-Centre County District Attorney Ray Gricar set up a sting in the mother’s home. Sandusky had requested to meet with the mom, and Gricar had officers hide in another room and listen to their conversation.
    
One of those officers was Detective Ron Schreffler, the lead investigator in the case.
    
According to the presentment, Sandusky asked the mom for forgiveness.
    
“I understand. I was wrong. I wish I could get forgiveness from you. I know I won’t get it from you. I wish I were dead,” Sandusky said.
    
Gricar knew the results of the sting before he made his decision not to prosecute.
    
The Centre County Office of Children and Youth Services also was investigating that case.
    
Investigator Jerry Lauro said this week he didn’t feel there was enough evidence for abuse charges solely based on interviews with the boys.
    
“At that time, the information that we had wasn’t sufficient enough to substantiate a case,” Lauro said. “I don’t want [the mother)] to think we didn’t believe their kid back then. We did, but we didn’t have enough.”
    
Lauro said Schreffler never told him the details of Sandusky’s confession at the victim’s house.
    
“I remember my last conversation with him concerning him hiding in that room,” Lauro said. “He didn’t tell me details. All he said was, ‘There’s nothing to it — we’re going to close our case.’ And I said, ‘That’s fine, I’m going to close my case, too.”
    
They never had another call regarding Sandusky, Lauro said.
    
Gricar disappeared suddenly in 2005. He remained missing and was declared dead earlier this year. Tony Gricar, family spokesman, said his uncle had developed a “bitter taste” for the football program and Paterno.
    
“So, I wouldn’t imagine he’d give favorable treatment to anyone associated with the team for any reason,” he said.
    
Schreffler has repeatedly declined to comment on the case.
    
According to the presentment, Lauro testified that he and Schreffler interviewed Sandusky. Sandusky admitted hugging the boy in the shower and admitted it was wrong, Lauro testified.

WHAT JANITORS SAY THEY SAW

Another golden opportunity to report and investigate Sandusky for child sexual abuse came just two years later, in 2000.
    
A group of janitors were cleaning the locker rooms late at night in the Penn State football building.
    
One of them, Jim Calhoun, witnessed Sandusky in a shower performing a sex act on a young boy who was pinned up against a wall, according to the grand jury report.
    
A second janitor, Ronald Petrosky, witnessed a boy leaving hand in hand with Sandusky after Petrosky heard the shower running.
    
The grand jury presentment calls them Victim Two and Victim Eight.
    
Calhoun approached Petrosky, crying and very upset. He told Petrosky what he’d seen and said it was something he would never forget.All of the employees working that night were relatively new, and decided to tell Calhoun how he could report the incident, according to the grand jury presentment. There is no record that he or any of the others did that.
    
Twice that night, Petrosky testified that he saw Sandusky slowly drive through the parking lot of the football building. The first time was two or three hours after it happened, and the second was very early in the morning, between 2 a.m. and 3 a.m.
    
Calhoun was a temporary employee who left the job after about eight months.
    
He has dementia and won’t be able to testify. Attorney General Linda Kelly said that should not hurt the investigation because they have other witnesses.
    
However, Sandusky’s attorney says he’ll try to stop the prosecution of both cases because the alleged victims themselves have never been identified.

WHAT DID McQUEARY SAY? 

Two years later, there was yet another missed opportunity.
    
And this is the incident that, according to testimony, eventually involved Paterno and Spanier.
    
This is the second case, in which the victim hasn’t been identified.
    
It was about 9:30 at night on a Friday before spring break. McQueary testified that he came to the football building in order to drop off a pair of new sneakers and pick up recruiting tapes. Instead, he testified that he walked in on Sandusky sexually assaulting a boy, estimated to be about 10 years old, in the shower.
    
McQueary testified that the boy was pinned with his hands against the shower wall — just like Jim Calhoun had seen two years earlier — as Sandusky stood behind him.
    
McQueary was shocked. Both Sandusky and the boy — who remains unidentified — saw him, he testified.
    
Instead of taking action to stop what he was watching, McQueary testified that he left immediately and told his father. The next morning, McQueary said, they went to see Paterno.
    
And what did McQueary say?
    
We don’t know. The grand jury presentment that has been given to the public, simply says that McQueary “reported what he had seen.”
    
According to Paterno’s testimony, McQueary told the coach he had witnessed Sandusky “fondling or doing something of a sexual nature” to the boy.
    
Two days after the report was released, Paterno issued a statement saying he wanted to correct the impression left by the presentment.
    
Even though Paterno himself had told the grand jury that McQueary saw “something of a sexual nature,” Paterno said this week that he had stopped the conversation before it got too graphic. Instead, he told McQueary he would need to speak with his superior, Athletic Director Tim Curley, and with Schultz.
    
That meeting did not happen for 10 days.
    
What was said at that meeting is in dispute.
    
McQueary testified he told the men in specific detail exactly what he’d seen, and what he testified to before the grand jury.
    
Curley and Schultz say nothing criminal was described. Instead, Curley says, it was characterized as “inappropriate conduct” or “horsing around.
    
Schultz said it seemed like “not that serious.”
    
But Schultz also admitted to the grand jury that McQueary had reported seeing “inappropriate sexual conduct” between the older man and the young boy, and possibly Sandusky “inappropriately grabbing the young boy’s genitals.”
    
Neither man called the police. Instead, they decided to tell former President Graham Spanier.
    
Spanier testified that he was only told there was “horsing around” in the shower — between Sandusky and a boy. And that had made a member of Curley’s staff “uncomfortable.” Spanier told the grand jury he didn’t hear that the incident was sexual.
    
Spanier never asked to speak with McQueary.
    
Spanier signed off on their decision to ban Sandusky from bringing children from his charity, The Second Mile, into the Penn State football building.
    
The ban, Curley admitted, was unenforceable.
    
And in fact, Sandusky attended Second Mile football camps with kids on other Penn State campuses as recently as 2008.
    
What about The Second Mile itself? Second Mile President Jack Raykovitz was told about the incident and the ban in 2002, the report says.
    
Raykovitz, too, never contacted the police.
    
When Raykovitz testified before the grand jury, he said Curley had merely told him an employee was “uncomfortable” about seeing Sandusky in the locker room shower with a boy, but that an internal investigation revealed no wrongdoing.
    
“At no time was The Second Mile made aware of the very serious allegations contained in the grand jury report,” Raykovitz said in a statement after the indictments. Raykovitz’s statement said the new details “bring shock, sadness and concern,” but said they had no indication any of the alleged abuse happened within charity programs and events.
    
According to the grand jury, then, here is how McQueary’s eyewitness account became watered down at each stage:
    
McQueary: anal rape.
Paterno: something of a sexual nature.
Schultz: inappropriately grabbing of the young boy’s genitals.
Curley: inappropriate conduct or horsing around.
Spanier: conduct that made someone uncomfortable.
Raykovitz: a ban on bringing kids to the locker room.
    
When The Patriot-News first reported details of the investigation in March, Raykovitz said he was assured by prosecutors that The Second Mile and its programs were not targets of the investigation.
    
Kelly will only say that the investigation is ongoing. However, Gov. Tom Corbett — who as attorney general began the Sandusky investigation — said Thursday night that the new attorney general will look into what The Second Mile knew.
    
Sandusky retired from the charity in August 2010. Raykovitz has said recently that Sandusky had no contact with children in the program after November 2008, when Sandusky notified them that he was under investigation.

A MOTHER'S SUSPICIONS

The alleged victim who finally kicked off a full-scale investigation — the one that led to Sandusky’s indictment — came forward in late 2008. He was a freshman at Central Mountain High School, where Sandusky was a volunteer football coach.
    
In an interview with The Patriot-News, the boy’s mother said that she began to suspect something was wrong when her son asked about a database for “sex weirdos” and when Sandusky began demanding to discipline her child.
    
She called school administrators, and voiced concern about Sandusky taking the boy out of class without permission.
    
The principal decided to ask her son if anything was wrong.
    
The boy broke down, confessing that Sandusky was abusing him, the mother said.
    
But there were earlier signs.
    
When a grand jury convened in 2009, two school officials testified that they had witnessed strange behavior from Sandusky while he was spending time at the school.
    
First, the football coach, Steve Turchetta, characterized Sandusky as being very controlling with Second Mile students, and often was alone with them. That included the alleged victim in this case.
    
Turchetta also testified that Sandusky could be “clingy” and “needy” when a boy would try to distance himself.
    
And the wrestling coach, Joe Miller, said he walked in on Sandusky lying face to face in physical contact with a boy on a wrestling mat one night in 2007 or 2008.
    
Miller also testified that Sandusky jumped up and said, “Hey, Coach, we’re just working on wrestling moves.”
    
Miller also noticed that Sandusky and the boy frequently hung out and often used the wrestling room.
   
Sandusky was barred from the school as soon as this victim made allegations against him, and Kelly praised the school district for acting appropriately.
    
The mother has told The Patriot-News she was upset to hear the district being commended.
    
“They told me to go home and think about what I wanted to do, and I was not happy,” she said. “They said I needed to think about how that would impact my son if I said something like that. I went home and got [my son] and we came to [Children and Youth Services] immediately.”

SO MANY CHANCES MISSED

1995.
1998.
2000.
2002.
2008.
    
These dates spanning 13 years share two common threads that run through the entire grand jury presentment. At each stage, boys voiced concern or pain or alarm at the conduct of Jerry Sandusky — or adults witnessed behavior they found troubling or alarming.
    
And at each stage, other adults dismissed, minimized or failed to act upon those concerns.
    
It remains to be seen whether any of these actions, or the statements behind them, are a matter for the courts. For now, only two things are certain:
    
Many of the accounts in this tragic and tangled history conflict with one another.
    
And everyone cannot be telling the truth.



11 years ago  ::  Nov 11, 2011 - 9:25AM #85
BillyTheKid
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Nov 10, 2011 -- 10:40PM, RockinDaBronx wrote:


Can someone tell me why the redheaded freak Mike McQu eery hasnnt been fired yet? This guy at the age of 28 walked in on Sandusky raping a boy and all he did was tell Paterno the next day. What a sick bunch of f*****.







McQueary will miss Saturday's game against Nebraska after the school said he received "multiple threats."

11 years ago  ::  Nov 11, 2011 - 9:33AM #86
NW
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Nov 10, 2011 -- 8:47PM, BillyTheKid wrote:



     Most, if not all, states have laws requiring certain professionals (teachers, Police, Medical providers, paid coaches) to report all allegations of child abuse and child neglect.   Media reports are saying that Paterno meet his obligation by reporting the allegations to his superiors (the indicted Athletic Director).  It seems to me under the "mandated reporter law" Paterno could be prosecuted.




Most of the mandated reporter laws didn't go into effect until well after 2002.  I'm not sure about PA's, but NY's didn't go into effect until 2007 or so.

11 years ago  ::  Nov 11, 2011 - 9:33AM #87
BillyTheKid
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Nov 10, 2011 -- 9:47PM, yankeedoodle wrote:


Nov 10, 2011 -- 8:47PM, BillyTheKid wrote:


Nov 10, 2011 -- 3:36PM, cja75 wrote:


     He (Joe Paterno) will never get prosecuted because of politicians afraid of losing the penn state cult voters but he should be.   Helping kids that could help him win football games doesnt excuse him for being a total fraud and child rape enabler.




     Most, if not all, states have laws requiring certain professionals (teachers, Police, Medical providers, paid coaches) to report all allegations of child abuse and child neglect.   Media reports are saying that Paterno meet his obligation by reporting the allegations to his superiors (the indicted Athletic Director).  It seems to me under the "mandated reporter law" Paterno could be prosecuted.




When Paterno knew there was a predator in his midst he was obliged to stop this man from doing more harm to young boys, anything short of this is criminal and immoral.  Only another pervert would let a pedophile remain at large.   Paterno is libel to lawsuits from subsequent victims as well. IMO. 




That’s what makes this story so heinous,  among the most heinous stories of all times.  serial child rapists like Jerry Sandusky and the Catholic priests in Boston couldn’t continue raping young boys unless people of great power like Joe Paterno and Cardinal Law covered up for them.




11 years ago  ::  Nov 11, 2011 - 11:26AM #88
JT
Posts: 5,075

This is just pure speculation on my part but...


Someone mentioned about how much did McQueary actually know? Well, is there any chance that McQueary was actually a victim of Sandusky too, but McQueary kept his mouth shut in fear that if he was to tell someone, Sandusky would get him kicked off the football team when he played or get him fired when he started coaching?

McQueary was born in State College, attended PSU, was the QB (I think) for PSU in '96 & '97 and has known Sandusky for many many years, since he was a kid.

Perhaps when McQueary saw what happened in the shower in 2002, he knew that if he didnt report it then that it would eventually come out that he never reported it and he would have been in legal trouble. So McQueary knew he could no longer stay silent but still knew his job would be in jeopardy if he disclosed more than what he did, such as more about what happened to other boy or about what happened to himself.

We all know and have heard that it is usually very difficult for a child to admit/report to being molested because they are affraid of what the person molesting them what do as a repercussion.


As I said, this is just pure speculation on my part.

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11 years ago  ::  Nov 11, 2011 - 12:10PM #89
BillyTheKid
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Nov 11, 2011 -- 11:26AM, JT wrote:



Someone mentioned about how much did McQueary actually know?


...


when McQueary saw what happened in the shower in 2002 ...




I believe McQueary was 28 when he saw Sandusky sexually assaulting the boy in the Penn State locker room shower in 2002.  According to McQueary's Grandjury testimony, he told Paterno about that crime the next day.  This is first confirmed time frame that Paterno knew Sandusky was using Penn State athletic facilities to attract his young rape victims. 


However it is far more likely that Paterno knew Sandusky was raping young boys at the Penn State athletic facilities long before 2002.  But Paterno covered it up and continued to let Sandusky rape young boys for between 9 and 15 years.   

11 years ago  ::  Nov 11, 2011 - 12:23PM #90
JT
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Nov 11, 2011 -- 12:10PM, BillyTheKid wrote:


Nov 11, 2011 -- 11:26AM, JT wrote:


This is just pure speculation on my part but...


Someone mentioned about how much did McQueary actually know? Well, is there any chance that McQueary was actually a victim of Sandusky too, but McQueary kept his mouth shut in fear that if he was to tell someone, Sandusky would get him kicked off the football team when he played or get him fired when he started coaching?

McQueary was born in State College, attended PSU, was the QB (I think) for PSU in '96 & '97 and has known Sandusky for many many years, since he was a kid.

Perhaps when McQueary saw what happened in the shower in 2002, he knew that if he didnt report it then that it would eventually come out that he never reported it and he would have been in legal trouble. So McQueary knew he could no longer stay silent but still knew his job would be in jeopardy if he disclosed more than what he did, such as more about what happened to other boy or about what happened to himself.

We all know and have heard that it is usually very difficult for a child to admit/report to being molested because they are affraid of what the person molesting them what do as a repercussion.


As I said, this is just pure speculation on my part.




I believe McQueary was 28 when he saw Sandusky sexually assaulting the boy in the Penn State locker room shower in 2002.  According to McQueary's Grandjury testimony, he told Paterno about that crime the next day.  This is first confirmed time frame that Paterno knew Sandusky was using Penn State athletic facilities to attract his young rape victims. 


However it is far more likely that Paterno knew Sandusky was raping young boys at the Penn State athletic facilities long before 2002.  But Paterno covered it up and continued to let Sandusky rape young boys for between 9 and 15 years.   





I got that part. What Im speculating is that, how long has McQueary known? For all we know, McQueary could have known for 20 years or so. McQueary has known Sandusky since he was a kid, or atleast a middle aged teen. McQueary could have, for all we know, been molested by Sandusky and never have said anything in fear. McQueary could have known Sandusky was molesting kids for years prior to 2002 but just didnt know that Sandusky was doing it on PSU property....As I said though, this is just pure speculation on my part.

I do have a feeling though that McQueary knows a little more than what he has said. Why on earth would you go home and tell your father about what happened in the PSU showers before telling anyone else? And not only did he tell his father first before Paterno or the authories or anyone else, he waited a full 24 hours before opening his mouth to someone else other than his father....add that to the fact that McQueary did nothing when he saw the rape. He just walked out of the building distraught without an attempt to stop what was going on.

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