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9 years ago  ::  Jan 14, 2013 - 8:13PM #11
yankeeoldfan
Posts: 12,741

Jan 11, 2013 -- 12:33PM, Bats wrote:


Jan 11, 2013 -- 11:01AM, misscamaguey wrote:


I wanted Ibañez back and he wanted to play for the Yanks but I guess Cash didn´t pull the trigger on time. He would have been cheap for the Yanks and we know very productive.  




LOL....huh?


Should 41 year old Ibanez get the start in the outfield over Brett Gardner? NO


Should 41 year old Ibanez get the start in the outfield over Curtis Granderson? NO


Should 41 year old Ibanez get the start in the outfield over a faster, better defender, and better hitter Ichiro? NO.


That's three NO's for Ibanez, a left handed hitter.


The Yankees don't need another left handed hitter, especially a 41 year old who can fade at anytime. They need a right handed hitter.


With that said, it should understandable as to why Cashman didn't look to re-sign Raul Ibanez.




They rolled the dice once and won, any good gambler knows you don't win on long shots, you take your one lucky roll and go to the bank with it, that's why they didn't roll the dice again...

9 years ago  ::  Jan 14, 2013 - 8:30PM #12
luvdayanks
Posts: 31,065

Jan 14, 2013 -- 8:13PM, yankeeoldfan wrote:


Jan 11, 2013 -- 12:33PM, Bats wrote:


Jan 11, 2013 -- 11:01AM, misscamaguey wrote:


I wanted Ibañez back and he wanted to play for the Yanks but I guess Cash didn´t pull the trigger on time. He would have been cheap for the Yanks and we know very productive.  




LOL....huh?


Should 41 year old Ibanez get the start in the outfield over Brett Gardner? NO


Should 41 year old Ibanez get the start in the outfield over Curtis Granderson? NO


Should 41 year old Ibanez get the start in the outfield over a faster, better defender, and better hitter Ichiro? NO.


That's three NO's for Ibanez, a left handed hitter.


The Yankees don't need another left handed hitter, especially a 41 year old who can fade at anytime. They need a right handed hitter.


With that said, it should understandable as to why Cashman didn't look to re-sign Raul Ibanez.




They rolled the dice once and won, any good gambler knows you don't win on long shots, you take your one lucky roll and go to the bank with it, that's why they didn't roll the dice again...




I agree 100%! I think they did the same with Chavez.

9 years ago  ::  Jan 15, 2013 - 4:30AM #13
LiferYank
Posts: 6,728

Jan 11, 2013 -- 1:07PM, grudz wrote:


I don't get the love affair with Brett Gardner on these boards.  I certainly don't understand the profound faith everyone seems to have in him.  He's always hurt.  He has no power.  He's unproductive, given the position he plays.  I think he lacks certain fundamental skills, specifically a passable major league baseball swing.  He's a redundancy with Ichiro.  He's very streaky.


I seriously think his injury HELPED the Yankees in the regular season last year (Joel Sherman argued the same thing).  I grant you, they missed his "small ball" talents at times, and the reliance on the long ball did produce a limited, one-dimensional offense in the postseason.  But I'd still like to see him traded and replaced with someone whose talents are more multi-dimensional.





What dont you see about his value? Are you telling me you cant see the value with his 2010 and 2011 seasons. Then add he is a top 5 defensive player in the game and he makes pennies on the dollar for this team....



Yes Sherman argued that having Gardner hurt allowed them to rotate more at the DH spot.., Strangely enough he brings up the fact that allowed Andruw ****ing Jones more playing time...... OOpppps Nevermind Wise!... Two players that ended the seasons with lower then a .300 OBP..

9 years ago  ::  Jan 15, 2013 - 4:48AM #14
hall4netls
Posts: 951

HOUSTON!!!! CAN YOU HEAR ME? The Yankees are cutting payroll!!! They looked at the business module and have decide they cant sustain what is actually billions of dollars in payment for man hours.


It doesnt matter how much you worry and how much you dont like it. They are going to mix and match pieces. Gone are the days when they pay a dude 5 million to sit on the bench.


you cant cal them a traveling all-star team. Youd actually have to have guys that PRODUCE in order to say that. But in an effort to make you feel better here is our position player breakdown.


1b Tex


2b Cano


3bArod


ss.Jeter 


RF. Ichiro


Sp. Kuroda


Sp. C.C.


RP. Soriano


RP. Riveria


What other team in baseball has a pedigree like that? Theoretically those names should not only garuntee a W.S. We should never lose a game!!! its time to stop paying for names.

GO YANKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
9 years ago  ::  Jan 15, 2013 - 4:50AM #15
hall4netls
Posts: 951

Jan 15, 2013 -- 4:30AM, LiferYank wrote:


Jan 11, 2013 -- 1:07PM, grudz wrote:


I don't get the love affair with Brett Gardner on these boards.  I certainly don't understand the profound faith everyone seems to have in him.  He's always hurt.  He has no power.  He's unproductive, given the position he plays.  I think he lacks certain fundamental skills, specifically a passable major league baseball swing.  He's a redundancy with Ichiro.  He's very streaky.


I seriously think his injury HELPED the Yankees in the regular season last year (Joel Sherman argued the same thing).  I grant you, they missed his "small ball" talents at times, and the reliance on the long ball did produce a limited, one-dimensional offense in the postseason.  But I'd still like to see him traded and replaced with someone whose talents are more multi-dimensional.





What dont you see about his value? Are you telling me you cant see the value with his 2010 and 2011 seasons. Then add he is a top 5 defensive player in the game and he makes pennies on the dollar for this team....



Yes Sherman argued that having Gardner hurt allowed them to rotate more at the DH spot.., Strangely enough he brings up the fact that allowed Andruw ****ing Jones more playing time...... OOpppps Nevermind Wise!... Two players that ended the seasons with lower then a .300 OBP..


[/quote


You forgot to add no arm to the gardner list

GO YANKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
9 years ago  ::  Jan 15, 2013 - 5:02AM #16
LiferYank
Posts: 6,728

Jan 15, 2013 -- 4:50AM, hall4netls wrote:


Jan 15, 2013 -- 4:30AM, LiferYank wrote:


Jan 11, 2013 -- 1:07PM, grudz wrote:


I don't get the love affair with Brett Gardner on these boards.  I certainly don't understand the profound faith everyone seems to have in him.  He's always hurt.  He has no power.  He's unproductive, given the position he plays.  I think he lacks certain fundamental skills, specifically a passable major league baseball swing.  He's a redundancy with Ichiro.  He's very streaky.


I seriously think his injury HELPED the Yankees in the regular season last year (Joel Sherman argued the same thing).  I grant you, they missed his "small ball" talents at times, and the reliance on the long ball did produce a limited, one-dimensional offense in the postseason.  But I'd still like to see him traded and replaced with someone whose talents are more multi-dimensional.





What dont you see about his value? Are you telling me you cant see the value with his 2010 and 2011 seasons. Then add he is a top 5 defensive player in the game and he makes pennies on the dollar for this team....



Yes Sherman argued that having Gardner hurt allowed them to rotate more at the DH spot.., Strangely enough he brings up the fact that allowed Andruw ****ing Jones more playing time...... OOpppps Nevermind Wise!... Two players that ended the seasons with lower then a .300 OBP..


[/quote


You forgot to add no arm to the gardner list





Why would i add something that is false??



www.nytimes.com/2010/07/29/sports/baseba...

9 years ago  ::  Jan 15, 2013 - 2:03PM #17
Lola
Posts: 29,082

Jan 11, 2013 -- 1:07PM, grudz wrote:


I don't get the love affair with Brett Gardner on these boards.  I certainly don't understand the profound faith everyone seems to have in him.  He's always hurt.  He has no power.  He's unproductive, given the position he plays.  I think he lacks certain fundamental skills, specifically a passable major league baseball swing.  He's a redundancy with Ichiro.  He's very streaky.


I seriously think his injury HELPED the Yankees in the regular season last year (Joel Sherman argued the same thing).  I grant you, they missed his "small ball" talents at times, and the reliance on the long ball did produce a limited, one-dimensional offense in the postseason.  But I'd still like to see him traded and replaced with someone whose talents are more multi-dimensional.




Maybe Ichiro can teach Gardner how to slap  the ball and get on base.... then he can teach him how to steal a base.

9 years ago  ::  Jan 15, 2013 - 2:22PM #18
61in61
Posts: 26,516

Jan 11, 2013 -- 12:33PM, Bats wrote:


Jan 11, 2013 -- 11:01AM, misscamaguey wrote:


I wanted Ibañez back and he wanted to play for the Yanks but I guess Cash didn´t pull the trigger on time. He would have been cheap for the Yanks and we know very productive.  




LOL....huh?


Should 41 year old Ibanez get the start in the outfield over Brett Gardner? NO


Should 41 year old Ibanez get the start in the outfield over Curtis Granderson? NO


Should 41 year old Ibanez get the start in the outfield over a faster, better defender, and better hitter Ichiro? NO.


That's three NO's for Ibanez, a left handed hitter.


The Yankees don't need another left handed hitter, especially a 41 year old who can fade at anytime. They need a right handed hitter.


With that said, it should understandable as to why Cashman didn't look to re-sign Raul Ibanez.




You forgot something important. The Yanks ARE looking for a LH/DH

9 years ago  ::  Jan 15, 2013 - 2:41PM #19
Paterson
Posts: 7,806

Jan 15, 2013 -- 2:03PM, Lola wrote:


Jan 11, 2013 -- 1:07PM, grudz wrote:


I don't get the love affair with Brett Gardner on these boards.  I certainly don't understand the profound faith everyone seems to have in him.  He's always hurt.  He has no power.  He's unproductive, given the position he plays.  I think he lacks certain fundamental skills, specifically a passable major league baseball swing.  He's a redundancy with Ichiro.  He's very streaky.


I seriously think his injury HELPED the Yankees in the regular season last year (Joel Sherman argued the same thing).  I grant you, they missed his "small ball" talents at times, and the reliance on the long ball did produce a limited, one-dimensional offense in the postseason.  But I'd still like to see him traded and replaced with someone whose talents are more multi-dimensional.




Maybe Ichiro can teach Gardner how to slap  the ball and get on base.... then he can teach him how to steal a base.




   But the fact is that Gardner had a better obp than Ichiro for the last few years. I hope Suzuki stays energized...but it is hard to out run Father Time! 

9 years ago  ::  Jan 15, 2013 - 5:00PM #20
61in61
Posts: 26,516

Jan 15, 2013 -- 2:41PM, Paterson wrote:


Jan 15, 2013 -- 2:03PM, Lola wrote:


Jan 11, 2013 -- 1:07PM, grudz wrote:


I don't get the love affair with Brett Gardner on these boards.  I certainly don't understand the profound faith everyone seems to have in him.  He's always hurt.  He has no power.  He's unproductive, given the position he plays.  I think he lacks certain fundamental skills, specifically a passable major league baseball swing.  He's a redundancy with Ichiro.  He's very streaky.


I seriously think his injury HELPED the Yankees in the regular season last year (Joel Sherman argued the same thing).  I grant you, they missed his "small ball" talents at times, and the reliance on the long ball did produce a limited, one-dimensional offense in the postseason.  But I'd still like to see him traded and replaced with someone whose talents are more multi-dimensional.




Maybe Ichiro can teach Gardner how to slap  the ball and get on base.... then he can teach him how to steal a base.




   But the fact is that Gardner had a better obp than Ichiro for the last few years. I hope Suzuki stays energized...but it is hard to out run Father Time! 




I know, Father Time has been gaining on me for the last 40 years. I tried ducking down an alley but he's always on my tail.

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