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A-Rod, Pettitte and the HOF
9 years ago  ::  Jan 10, 2013 - 8:18AM #1
NYYGuy
Posts: 5,216
Right or wrong, the voters made a statement yesterday. Makes you wonder if A-Rod perhaps isn't the HOF lock that we all assumed.

Andy Pettitte was never a HOF lock but hopefully his admitted hgh use doesn't hurt his chances....
9 years ago  ::  Jan 10, 2013 - 8:35AM #2
doubleplay643
Posts: 6,115

A-Rod won't get into the HOF and Pettitte I doubt will too. He may get close but now-a-days voters are very unforgiving even if Pettite had cried and pleaded for people to forgive him. You can blame that on the very sensitive and touchy nature that society has become. Not just in baseball but in general too. 

9 years ago  ::  Jan 10, 2013 - 8:53AM #3
NYYGuy
Posts: 5,216
It definitely doesn't help his chances, although Andy isnt really thought of as a cheat these days unlike Bonds and Roger... I think Pettitte is a fringe candidate regardless...his resume doesnt quite stack up at the HOF level IMO, but we'll see what happens with Mussina. If Moose gets in then Andy has a shot if voters overlook his hgh use...


You also have to wonder if these guys were kept out for being jerks. When Ortiz is up (and he's a likeable guy) for election we'll see if voters overlook his use and put him in.
9 years ago  ::  Jan 10, 2013 - 9:16AM #4
saltydog
Posts: 88

a bit off topic, I suppose, but I'd really like your insights on a pet peeve of mine re: the HOF . . .


as an Dodger fan during my younger years (I was born in Brooklyn), the failure of the Hall of Fame to induct Gil Hodges has, at various time, perplexed, befuddled, confused, and infuriated me . . . I know his eligibility for selection by the writers has long passed, but why the veterans' committee consistently refuses to right this wrong just baffles my brain and burns my butt . . . any insights/thoughts/opinions/beliefs regarding what I consider a travesty of the highest order would be greatly appreciated . . . thanx . . .

9 years ago  ::  Jan 10, 2013 - 9:20AM #5
pinstripezac
Posts: 165

Jan 10, 2013 -- 8:53AM, NYYGuy wrote:

It definitely doesn't help his chances, although Andy isnt really thought of as a cheat these days unlike Bonds and Roger... I think Pettitte is a fringe candidate regardless...his resume doesnt quite stack up at the HOF level IMO, but we'll see what happens with Mussina. If Moose gets in then Andy has a shot if voters overlook his hgh use... You also have to wonder if these guys were kept out for being jerks. When Ortiz is up (and he's a likeable guy) for election we'll see if voters overlook his use and put him in.




ortiz still has to deal with the DH thing


but frank thomas most likely will have broken down broken open that wall by then


moose is kind of a strange case


while time / years will help the users


 time / years is already hurting the moose


his great winning %, all in the AL east, is his strongest point


but as the years go by it looks like wins will mean less & less


personally I say no about moose

9 years ago  ::  Jan 10, 2013 - 10:06AM #6
NYYGuy
Posts: 5,216

Jan 10, 2013 -- 9:20AM, pinstripezac wrote:


Jan 10, 2013 -- 8:53AM, NYYGuy wrote:

It definitely doesn't help his chances, although Andy isnt really thought of as a cheat these days unlike Bonds and Roger... I think Pettitte is a fringe candidate regardless...his resume doesnt quite stack up at the HOF level IMO, but we'll see what happens with Mussina. If Moose gets in then Andy has a shot if voters overlook his hgh use... You also have to wonder if these guys were kept out for being jerks. When Ortiz is up (and he's a likeable guy) for election we'll see if voters overlook his use and put him in.




ortiz still has to deal with the DH thing


but frank thomas most likely will have broken down broken open that wall by then


moose is kind of a strange case


while time / years will help the users


 time / years is already hurting the moose


his great winning %, all in the AL east, is his strongest point


but as the years go by it looks like wins will mean less & less


personally I say no about moose




I think Edgar should also get in, and him and Thomas will open the door for Ortiz IMO.


 


I agree with you about Moose, but he's got a nice resume of a lot of wins, a good ERA, and the fact he pitched in the AL East at a high level for the most part. Moose's Orioles career is also really underrated, IMO. If Benitez doesn't blow a ton of saves Moose's resume is even more impressive.  If he gets in, I think that will open the door for Pettitte. Assuming Pettitte beefs up his wins and stats over the next couple of years.

9 years ago  ::  Jan 10, 2013 - 10:59AM #7
JoeGNJ
Posts: 15,926

Jan 10, 2013 -- 9:16AM, saltydog wrote:


a bit off topic, I suppose, but I'd really like your insights on a pet peeve of mine re: the HOF . . .


as an Dodger fan during my younger years (I was born in Brooklyn), the failure of the Hall of Fame to induct Gil Hodges has, at various time, perplexed, befuddled, confused, and infuriated me . . . I know his eligibility for selection by the writers has long passed, but why the veterans' committee consistently refuses to right this wrong just baffles my brain and burns my butt . . . any insights/thoughts/opinions/beliefs regarding what I consider a travesty of the highest order would be greatly appreciated . . . thanx . . .




Gil? How bout Donnie? Misery loves company!

JoeGNJ - 2Timothy 4:7 - Acts 20:24
9 years ago  ::  Jan 10, 2013 - 11:06AM #8
JoeGNJ
Posts: 15,926

This whole process has to be re-examined. IMO A-Rod will have it tough b/c he admitted his use. Ive maintained here often, that as long a "the list" is kept sealed, other players who are in doubt, should not be left out of the HOF b/c of supposed use. With Bonds, his physique change over time is enough for me to keep him out if I was voting. That applies to others as well. With Roger, I feel differently. He was ALWAYS known as a work horse, and workOUT addict. He was dragged through the judiciary process (in a BIG way) and came away not guilty. Andy's use, IMO, was nothing like the "true"  PED users. From my perspective, his stats earn him a berth. His minor infraction ( if I'm correct, what he did wasnt illegal back then) shouldnt be used against him.

JoeGNJ - 2Timothy 4:7 - Acts 20:24
9 years ago  ::  Jan 10, 2013 - 11:08AM #9
bomberhojoe
Posts: 15,353

Jan 10, 2013 -- 10:59AM, JoeGNJ wrote:


Jan 10, 2013 -- 9:16AM, saltydog wrote:


a bit off topic, I suppose, but I'd really like your insights on a pet peeve of mine re: the HOF . . .


as an Dodger fan during my younger years (I was born in Brooklyn), the failure of the Hall of Fame to induct Gil Hodges has, at various time, perplexed, befuddled, confused, and infuriated me . . . I know his eligibility for selection by the writers has long passed, but why the veterans' committee consistently refuses to right this wrong just baffles my brain and burns my butt . . . any insights/thoughts/opinions/beliefs regarding what I consider a travesty of the highest order would be greatly appreciated . . . thanx . . .




Gil? How bout Donnie? Misery loves company!




Both Gil, Donnie and Dale Murphy are MUCH MORE deserving than Ortiz.  Does anyone really believe Ortiz wasn't taking PEDs with Manny?

John 3:16 * Ephesians 2:8-9 * Romans 10:9-10 * John 14:3-6 * Romans 5:8
9 years ago  ::  Jan 10, 2013 - 11:12AM #10
laurenfrances
Posts: 46,510

Jan 10, 2013 -- 8:53AM, NYYGuy wrote:

It definitely doesn't help his chances, although Andy isnt really thought of as a cheat these days unlike Bonds and Roger... I think Pettitte is a fringe candidate regardless...his resume doesnt quite stack up at the HOF level IMO, but we'll see what happens with Mussina. If Moose gets in then Andy has a shot if voters overlook his hgh use... You also have to wonder if these guys were kept out for being jerks. When Ortiz is up (and he's a likeable guy) for election we'll see if voters overlook his use and put him in.



Lets remember... since the word 'cheater' was thrown out there, they weren't actually cheaters since it wasn't illegal yet   


Love it when owners and MLB turn a blind eye to PEDs as they rake in the cash.  With voting writers going on a rampage in regards to "cheaters" wanting to place labels for the Steroid era, why not place a label on the Corked bat era, Greenies era...etc.....The point is each era has it's degree of vices and it didn't prevent them from getting into baseball HOF. 

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