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A-Rod, Pettitte and the HOF
10 years ago  ::  Jan 15, 2013 - 8:29AM #101
LiferYank
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Jan 15, 2013 -- 8:11AM, NW wrote:


Jan 10, 2013 -- 8:18AM, NYYGuy wrote:

Right or wrong, the voters made a statement yesterday. Makes you wonder if A-Rod perhaps isn't the HOF lock that we all assumed. Andy Pettitte was never a HOF lock but hopefully his admitted hgh use doesn't hurt his chances....



A-Rod lied and discredited the game.  That's a lot different than a guy using a substance to help return from an injury.  A-Rod should never make the HOF and should be considered similar to Pete Rose and the Black Sox.  Pettitte's statistics are borderline HOF and the HGH use will tip the scales to keep him out.





How has Pettite not lied? He cheated he only came clean because he got caught. Mr Religious family man cheated the game. Get over it.

10 years ago  ::  Jan 15, 2013 - 1:24PM #102
NYYGuy
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Jan 15, 2013 -- 8:11AM, NW wrote:


Jan 10, 2013 -- 8:18AM, NYYGuy wrote:

Right or wrong, the voters made a statement yesterday. Makes you wonder if A-Rod perhaps isn't the HOF lock that we all assumed. Andy Pettitte was never a HOF lock but hopefully his admitted hgh use doesn't hurt his chances....



A-Rod lied and discredited the game.  That's a lot different than a guy using a substance to help return from an injury.  A-Rod should never make the HOF and should be considered similar to Pete Rose and the Black Sox.  Pettitte's statistics are borderline HOF and the HGH use will tip the scales to keep him out.





Not that different. The intention might have been different but the means were the same. Both gained an advantage over others from illegal use of drugs. Both violated MLB rules and federal law. By textbook definition, that is cheating.


 


And Andy did lie about his own use, he denied it until the Mitchell report came out.

10 years ago  ::  Jan 15, 2013 - 1:27PM #103
NYYGuy
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"And who here has not taken their parents antibiotics? Please"


 


I don't think any of us play Major League Baseball and therefore bound by the ban against taking a prescription drug without your own valid prescription....

10 years ago  ::  Jan 15, 2013 - 1:45PM #104
JoeGNJ
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Jan 15, 2013 -- 8:11AM, NW wrote:


Jan 10, 2013 -- 8:18AM, NYYGuy wrote:

Pettitte's statistics are borderline HOF ..........




No they are not. Nor is Mussina's. Both should get in based on stats....the HGH issue is another topic.

JoeGNJ - 2Timothy 4:7 - Acts 20:24
10 years ago  ::  Jan 15, 2013 - 2:32PM #105
GottaGoToMo
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Jan 13, 2013 -- 3:47PM, Paterson wrote:


   I figured I would pipe in as I go the gym myself just about every day.... I look in the window, check out the pretty girls and then I run as fast as I can before somebody comes out to punch me in the nose! That is my exercise plan. 


   Folks, as a group we love baseball and love the Yankees...but we have precious little knowledge about the use of drugs in athletics. I know something worked wonders for Bonds and Sosa...but have no idea what or why things did not go so well for dozens of other guys. Did they have better stuff? Did they have a special body type? Did they work out harder ? Maybe they combined a couple of different products to make magic. Until we know a lot more, maybe waiting for the truth is not such a bad thing.


   Drugs are still being used. I just read how many athletes at all levels now have ADHD...and a prescription for Adderall or Ritalin. Is a drug that gives someone an advantage on the field acceptable just because a doctor prescribed it? 


   I am happy MLB is finally addressing the issue...but there is a long way to go. I still think the Hall should be doing its job to preserve the history of the game...even the ugly history...by investigating what took place and then we can pick up this argument. 





There are a myriad of reasons why roids don't react the same way in each player ... it starts with the fact that we are individuals ... even when it comes to taking an aspirin ... one person may experience pain relief from an aspirin, another person it does nothing for.   Also, as you stated, not everyone did the same stuff ... not everyone had the resouces to get the best stuff or the best advice on how to use it. 


When it comes down to it, the usage of PEDs was prevalent ... there is no way to know exactly who did and did not use ... the Hall is going to have to find a way to allow all players who performed well in, while making a distinction as to who performed well with the help of PEDs, or the likelihood of the help of PEDs ... there are some varying shades of grey between who was caught using, who was suspected of using, who is on that list that no one knows about, who simply was never caught and for some reason never suspected ... ALL the players played during this era ... and the era isn't over yet ... so the Hall is going to have to make some decisions ... this can't be left up to the writers simply not voting for anyone ... MLB has to step in and put out some guidelines and possibly even create a separate distinction for certain people ... but as I said there are varying shades of grey, so there simply doesn't seem to be an easy and fair answer.

10 years ago  ::  Jan 15, 2013 - 2:42PM #106
nyplatoons
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Jan 15, 2013 -- 8:29AM, LiferYank wrote:


Jan 15, 2013 -- 8:11AM, NW wrote:


Jan 10, 2013 -- 8:18AM, NYYGuy wrote:

Right or wrong, the voters made a statement yesterday. Makes you wonder if A-Rod perhaps isn't the HOF lock that we all assumed. Andy Pettitte was never a HOF lock but hopefully his admitted hgh use doesn't hurt his chances....



A-Rod lied and discredited the game.  That's a lot different than a guy using a substance to help return from an injury.  A-Rod should never make the HOF and should be considered similar to Pete Rose and the Black Sox.  Pettitte's statistics are borderline HOF and the HGH use will tip the scales to keep him out.





How has Pettite not lied? He cheated he only came clean because he got caught. Mr Religious family man cheated the game. Get over it.





Ding ding ding we have a winner!  Anyway I could care less about the HOF it's all a joke to me anywayssssssssss.

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