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9 years ago  ::  Aug 01, 2013 - 2:35PM #1791
Max
Posts: 42,830

Aug 1, 2013 -- 2:25PM, ArtVandelay wrote:


Aug 1, 2013 -- 2:01PM, Max wrote:


Aug 1, 2013 -- 12:50PM, BigGuy wrote:


Aug 1, 2013 -- 12:46PM, 61in61 wrote:


Aug 1, 2013 -- 11:54AM, BigGuy wrote:


Andrew Marchand @AndrewMarchand



Hal Steinbrenner just walked by & said, "Business, as usual. Not today," when asked if he could talk or if there will be access for A-Rod.





I'm tired of waiting. I want some action! No trades, A-Rod on hold...man its dull!




It really is.  Not even a game today.  We'll have to start making up some rumors.





I was mildly surprised that the Yankees didn't trade Joba. I wonder if they are thinking about making him a 2 year offer. So far it looks like the Yanks will have 3 draft picks again this year. Their own, 1 for Hughes, and another 1 for Grandy. Let's hope that they use those picks wisely. 




I think it's not that they didn't, it's they couldn't...




Not even for some international spending money? Even that would be better than losing him for nothing. I hope they give Joba a 2 year deal. He's throwing in the mid 90's again. His location is bad but that's normal for a pitcher that's coming off of TJS.

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9 years ago  ::  Aug 01, 2013 - 3:17PM #1792
BigGuy
Posts: 66,015

Aug 1, 2013 -- 2:35PM, Max wrote:


Aug 1, 2013 -- 2:25PM, ArtVandelay wrote:


Aug 1, 2013 -- 2:01PM, Max wrote:


Aug 1, 2013 -- 12:50PM, BigGuy wrote:


Aug 1, 2013 -- 12:46PM, 61in61 wrote:


Aug 1, 2013 -- 11:54AM, BigGuy wrote:


Andrew Marchand @AndrewMarchand



Hal Steinbrenner just walked by & said, "Business, as usual. Not today," when asked if he could talk or if there will be access for A-Rod.





I'm tired of waiting. I want some action! No trades, A-Rod on hold...man its dull!




It really is.  Not even a game today.  We'll have to start making up some rumors.





I was mildly surprised that the Yankees didn't trade Joba. I wonder if they are thinking about making him a 2 year offer. So far it looks like the Yanks will have 3 draft picks again this year. Their own, 1 for Hughes, and another 1 for Grandy. Let's hope that they use those picks wisely. 




I think it's not that they didn't, it's they couldn't...




Not even for some international spending money? Even that would be better than losing him for nothing. I hope they give Joba a 2 year deal. He's throwing in the mid 90's again. His location is bad but that's normal for a pitcher that's coming off of TJS.




I think he wants to start.  If he can find some team willing to give him a job as a starter I think he'd jump at that chance.

"Leave the gun. Take the cannoli."
9 years ago  ::  Aug 01, 2013 - 5:44PM #1793
dave1954
Posts: 1,779

Aug 1, 2013 -- 11:24AM, BigGuy wrote:


The Trade Deadline Of Our Discontent


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There was one thing the Yankees could not afford to do before yesterday’s non-waiver trade deadline: nothing. And that’s exactly what they did. They did nothing. They checked in on this guy and that guy, but ultimately they did nothing. Ownership brought in Alfonso Soriano last week and that’s it. They did nothing.


“It wasn’t a deep market at all,” said Brian Cashman soon after the 4pm ET deadline. “What I was offering obviously wasn’t good enough for the opposing teams. What the teams were suggesting to me wasn’t good enough from my perspective … We will have to contend with what we have right now unless we can find ways to improve it. And obviously right now that’ll come from within and off the disabled list.”


As the first 107 games told us, what the team has right now is not good enough to contend. Not even close, really. They’re seven back in the division and three back of a wildcard spot with three teams ahead of them. Yeah, there are 55 games left to play, but that is a major uphill climb. A climb that required some reinforcements if the team was serious about contending during Mariano Rivera‘s final season. Instead, we get more excuses about how the market wasn’t favorable.


What Cashman neglected to mention, of course, is that the current market is the result of the team’s prior (non-)moves. They purposefully downgraded the lineup over the winter and got burned when the regulars started getting hurt, and now they’re desperate. Teams know this — they no doubt smell the blood in the water — and the prices get jacked up. Add in the fact that there are more contenders and fewer sellers, and you’ve got a recipe for exorbitant trade deadline prices. If they wanted help, they had to overpay. Even Corey Black for Soriano was an overpay considering Soriano said he would only accept a trade to New York. The Cubs had zero leverage and still extracted a decent prospect.


The Yankees had plenty of chances to improve the team during the offseason/free agency and passed, in part because of the plan to get under the $189M luxury tax threshold next year. They had a chance to improve before the deadline — both right at the deadline and in the weeks and months leading up to it — and passed. Now they have to try to improve during the August waiver period, which won’t be easy despite their relatively high waiver priority. They keep painting themselves into a corner and further limiting their market, which is no way to go through life.


At some point Cashman and the rest of his management henchmen have to come out and take some sort of responsibility for the roster and stop blaming the market. It was their conscious decision to address every need with an aging veteran player who had something left in the tank if you squinted your eyes real hard and believed in the magic of a pinstripes. No one forced that on them. There’s nothing wrong with taking a flier on a veteran for a platoon job or bench spot or whatever, but at some point it became the Yankees’ only method of team building. That’s just silly.


The Yankees could not afford to do nothing at the deadline. They either had to go all-in and add pieces or wave the white flag and trade away some players. They did neither and made zero progress as a franchise — they’re no closer to contending or rebuilding. They’re just an overwhelmingly mediocre club that will need an unprecedented amount of farm system success to make their sub-luxury tax threshold plan work. The trade deadline changed nothing, but this coming offseason there have to be more than cosmetic changes. The Yankees need to overhaul their team-building philosophies.





+1000  Couldn't have said it better!

9 years ago  ::  Aug 01, 2013 - 5:50PM #1794
nyyfn27xws
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again  who were the Yankees going to sell? Hughes at least will get a 1st rd pick, Joba  wouldn't get anything,  and Cano,  Jeter,  Rivera,  Kuroda,  Robertson,  Gardner  shouldn't  have  been  dealt.  Yankees  want to keep them all.
9 years ago  ::  Aug 01, 2013 - 5:57PM #1795
dave1954
Posts: 1,779

Aug 1, 2013 -- 11:29AM, BigGuy wrote:




Showalter: Yanks benefit from ban




Updated: August 1, 2013, 11:21 AM ET


By Andrew Marchand | ESPNNewYork.com



TAMPA, Fla. -- The way Buck Showalter sees it, Alex Rodriguez's possible suspension will mean that the New York Yankees will end up with Baltimore Orioles catcher Matt Wieters in two years.


If Rodriguez is suspended for all of next season, the Yankees would not have to pay the embattled slugger's $25 million salary for 2014. The unpaid money would not count against the luxury tax and revenue sharing, which would make it much easier for the Yankees to fall under team owner Hal Steinbrenner's goal of a $189 million payroll for 2014.


Showalter told USA Today Sports that if commissioner Bud Selig suspends Rodriguez, it is unfair that the Yankees would benefit financially.


"If Bud lets them get away with that, they're under the luxury tax," the Orioles manager told USA Today. "If they can reset, they can spend again and I guarantee you in two years Matt Wieters is in New York."


If the Yankees fell beneath the $189 million limit next season, they would significantly increase their luxury tax savings under the terms of the collective bargaining agreement.


The Yankees would be subject to a 50 percent luxury tax if their payroll is over the $189 million threshold. But if they are under $189 million, the Yankees' luxury tax would roll back to 17 percent, making it easier for them to be free spenders.


The 27-year-old Wieters, who is eligible for free agency after the 2015 season, is batting .239 with 14 home runs and 49 RBIs this year.


The Yankees will have several free agents this offseason, as they are expected to reshape their roster. Robinson Cano, Curtis Granderson, Hiroki Kuroda, Andy Pettitte, Phil Hughes and Joba Chamberlain are among the players eligible to test the market.


After Rodriguez opted out of his previous record contract following the 2007 season, the Yankees signed the three-time MVP to a new 10-year, $275 million deal that included a possible $30 million in home run bonuses.


Whatever the length of Rodriguez's deal, Showalter thinks it is unfair the Yankees will receive salary relief from a suspension.


"They're the ones who signed him to that contract," Showalter said.


Rodriguez, 38, will play in a simulated game Thursday in Tampa as he tries to return from offseason hip surgery and a strained quad. ESPN's "Outside The Lines" reported Wednesday that Rodriguez's lawyers are in talks with MLB about the length of a possible suspension as a result of the Biogenisis investigation.






How presumptious of the Buckster to say we would get Wieters! We will have Sanchez by then but if I were Buck I would worry about Machado! Lol   I have said in past posts the Yanks will get under that cap easily. No Granderson, Pettitte, Kuroda, Mo, Hughes, Joba etc that takes over $70 million off the books. If you add ARod that's almost $100 million. I think we made it!

9 years ago  ::  Aug 01, 2013 - 6:06PM #1796
dave1954
Posts: 1,779

Aug 1, 2013 -- 11:56AM, BigGuy wrote:


The latest on A-Rod



Aug 1  10:49  AM ET




TAMPA, Fla. -- Alex Rodriguez showed at the Yankees' minor league facility at 9 a.m. for his simulated game. He is expected to complete a minor league rehab game this morning.

THE LATEST NEWS: A-Rod's representatives are talking with MLB about a possible settlement, T.J. Quinn reports. If he comes to an agreement, Rodriguez would avoid the threat of a lifetime ban and preserve at least some of the nearly $100 million the Yankees owe him through 2017.

BUCK SHOT: Buck Showalter complained that the Yankees are going to save a lot of money toward the luxury tax and revenue sharing if A-Rod is suspended. The result? Showalter said Matt Wieters will be a Yankee after the 2015 season.

WHAT'S NEXT: If Rodriguez is not suspended today, then he is expected in Trenton, N.J., on Friday to play for the Double-A Thunder. However, a ruling or a settlement by Selig could prevent that from happening.



Hey what if I could be one place in the World in the next couple of weeks, where would I like to be? Answer is Yankee Stadium the nightbARod comes back. He will file a protest and get to play, can you hear the boos reigning down from the upper deck when he steps onto the field. It will be both a moment of "gotcha" and one of sadness. I dont get the thrill of booing are players!

9 years ago  ::  Aug 01, 2013 - 6:21PM #1797
nyyfn27xws
Posts: 1,655

Aug 1, 2013 -- 5:57PM, dave1954 wrote:


Aug 1, 2013 -- 11:29AM, BigGuy wrote:




Showalter: Yanks benefit from ban




Updated: August 1, 2013, 11:21 AM ET


By Andrew Marchand | ESPNNewYork.com



TAMPA, Fla. -- The way Buck Showalter sees it, Alex Rodriguez's possible suspension will mean that the New York Yankees will end up with Baltimore Orioles catcher Matt Wieters in two years.


If Rodriguez is suspended for all of next season, the Yankees would not have to pay the embattled slugger's $25 million salary for 2014. The unpaid money would not count against the luxury tax and revenue sharing, which would make it much easier for the Yankees to fall under team owner Hal Steinbrenner's goal of a $189 million payroll for 2014.


Showalter told USA Today Sports that if commissioner Bud Selig suspends Rodriguez, it is unfair that the Yankees would benefit financially.


"If Bud lets them get away with that, they're under the luxury tax," the Orioles manager told USA Today. "If they can reset, they can spend again and I guarantee you in two years Matt Wieters is in New York."


If the Yankees fell beneath the $189 million limit next season, they would significantly increase their luxury tax savings under the terms of the collective bargaining agreement.


The Yankees would be subject to a 50 percent luxury tax if their payroll is over the $189 million threshold. But if they are under $189 million, the Yankees' luxury tax would roll back to 17 percent, making it easier for them to be free spenders.


The 27-year-old Wieters, who is eligible for free agency after the 2015 season, is batting .239 with 14 home runs and 49 RBIs this year.


The Yankees will have several free agents this offseason, as they are expected to reshape their roster. Robinson Cano, Curtis Granderson, Hiroki Kuroda, Andy Pettitte, Phil Hughes and Joba Chamberlain are among the players eligible to test the market.


After Rodriguez opted out of his previous record contract following the 2007 season, the Yankees signed the three-time MVP to a new 10-year, $275 million deal that included a possible $30 million in home run bonuses.


Whatever the length of Rodriguez's deal, Showalter thinks it is unfair the Yankees will receive salary relief from a suspension.


"They're the ones who signed him to that contract," Showalter said.


Rodriguez, 38, will play in a simulated game Thursday in Tampa as he tries to return from offseason hip surgery and a strained quad. ESPN's "Outside The Lines" reported Wednesday that Rodriguez's lawyers are in talks with MLB about the length of a possible suspension as a result of the Biogenisis investigation.






How presumptious of the Buckster to say we would get Wieters! We will have Sanchez by then but if I were Buck I would worry about Machado! Lol   I have said in past posts the Yanks will get under that cap easily. No Granderson, Pettitte, Kuroda, Mo, Hughes, Joba etc that takes over $70 million off the books. If you add ARod that's almost $100 million. I think we made it!




Our payroll obligations for next year (assuming Arod is suspended for most or all of it).


Teixiera (23,125,000), Sabathia (23,000,000), Jeter (8,000,000), Soriano (5,000,000), Ichiro (6,500,000), Wells (2,400,000) = 68M


FA= Cano, Chamberlain, Granderson, Kuroda, Pettitte, Youkillis, Hafner, Hughes, Lillibridge, Logan, Overbay, Rivera *bold indicate players wanted back* Lets just assume Cano signs for 25M and Kuroda for his 15M he's making this year, thats another 40M, bringint the payroll to 108M


up for arbitration - Gardner, Kelley, Nix, Robertson, Nova, Pineda.. I assume the Yankees would want all of them back..


Our lineup would be


1B - Tex, 2B - Cano, SS- Jeter, 3B - ? LF - Soriano, CF - Gardner, RF - Ichiro


SP would be CC, Kuroda, Nova, Pineda? Phelps?


RP would be Phelps?, Logan, Claiborne, Kelley, Robertson, with guys like Betances and Montgomery getting a legit shot maybe even Cabral.


The Yankees would have 67M dollars to work with for a 3B, DH, 2 starters? 1 reliever and their arbitration eligible players.


 

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