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9 years ago  ::  Jul 15, 2013 - 11:53PM #41
jorgecostanza
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Jul 15, 2013 -- 7:53PM, Marvin wrote:


Jul 15, 2013 -- 7:32PM, jorgecostanza wrote:



Then you missed a key point in a game last week when he was on 2nd and we had a runner on 1st, 0 outs and a sac bunt was attempted and Nunez was trotting to 3rd (Canoing) thinking there would be no play on him. Well there was, and he was out. He should have been safe, bases loaded, no one out. Now, with one out, there's no one on 3rd. Inexcusable. 





I saw it but it seemed more like a mistake due to inexperience


Inexperience? To run hard? LOL, Marvin.  


 In any case, had he been running hard, they would have thrown to first so there would have been 2nd and 3rd with one out.


Maybe they throw but he beats the throw, too. 


 As I recall, based on what the next 2 hitters did, he wouldn't have scored anyway.


Come on, Marvin; different situation, different pitches, etc. 




 

9 years ago  ::  Jul 16, 2013 - 1:31AM #42
Yankees
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Jul 15, 2013 -- 10:12PM, luvdayanks wrote:


Jul 15, 2013 -- 3:48PM, Yankees wrote:


Jul 15, 2013 -- 10:37AM, luvdayanks wrote:


Jul 15, 2013 -- 12:16AM, Yankees wrote:


Cano should be at least an A.





Shocking you would think that. Cano is no better than a B+ due to his lack of hustle at times and his streakiness, or lack of consistency. Looking at just his numbers he gets an A, throw in the intangibles and he's a B+ at best.




Not shocked that you would think he wasn't.  Take away Cano from this team and this game is 20 games or more below .500.  His numbers alone are worth an A, his value beause there is no one else in the lineup putting up big numbers is an A+.  You can dislike Cano all you like but to act as if he isn't carrying this team is foolish.




Another assumption on your part! Because I gave him a B+  which was IMO, you turn that into I dislike him. Say what you want, give him an A+ if you want, but he has flaws in his game and is streaky, thus a B+. I'll reserve A+ for players like Cabrera and Davis.




Not an assumption, replace Cano with Alberto Gonzalez or some other unlethal bat and this team would be really painful to watch.


Who said anything about A+  I said an A.  Cano deserves an A, he is on pace for a .300+ batting average, 35+ bombs and 110+ rbi's in a lineup with no protection.  How do you think the Yankee lineup would do if he were to go down with an injury?

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9 years ago  ::  Jul 16, 2013 - 8:51AM #43
newinn
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A's and A+ imo go to players that have big talent and are as good as they can be or overachieve (like Kuroda). Cano has big talent but he sure ain't as good as he can be. If he gets an A or A+ that means he can't improve. I don't believe that's the case

9 years ago  ::  Jul 16, 2013 - 9:15AM #44
YankeeLoon
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Cano B+ for the objective eye.
9 years ago  ::  Jul 16, 2013 - 9:39AM #45
newinn
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Jul 16, 2013 -- 9:15AM, YankeeLoon wrote:

Cano B+ for the objective eye.



B+ can work for me even though I gave him a B

9 years ago  ::  Jul 16, 2013 - 10:09AM #46
YankeeLoon
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Ok ill go with B

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9 years ago  ::  Jul 16, 2013 - 10:43AM #47
luvdayanks
Posts: 31,419

Jul 16, 2013 -- 1:31AM, Yankees wrote:


Jul 15, 2013 -- 10:12PM, luvdayanks wrote:


Jul 15, 2013 -- 3:48PM, Yankees wrote:


Jul 15, 2013 -- 10:37AM, luvdayanks wrote:


Jul 15, 2013 -- 12:16AM, Yankees wrote:


Cano should be at least an A.





Shocking you would think that. Cano is no better than a B+ due to his lack of hustle at times and his streakiness, or lack of consistency. Looking at just his numbers he gets an A, throw in the intangibles and he's a B+ at best.




Not shocked that you would think he wasn't.  Take away Cano from this team and this game is 20 games or more below .500.  His numbers alone are worth an A, his value beause there is no one else in the lineup putting up big numbers is an A+.  You can dislike Cano all you like but to act as if he isn't carrying this team is foolish.




Another assumption on your part! Because I gave him a B+  which was IMO, you turn that into I dislike him. Say what you want, give him an A+ if you want, but he has flaws in his game and is streaky, thus a B+. I'll reserve A+ for players like Cabrera and Davis.




Not an assumption, replace Cano with Alberto Gonzalez or some other unlethal bat and this team would be really painful to watch.


Who said anything about A+  I said an A.  Cano deserves an A, he is on pace for a .300+ batting average, 35+ bombs and 110+ rbi's in a lineup with no protection.  How do you think the Yankee lineup would do if he were to go down with an injury?





You did!!! Your words.


Not shocked that you would think he wasn't.  Take away Cano from this team and this game is 20 games or more below .500.  His numbers alone are worth an A, his value beause there is no one else in the lineup putting up big numbers is an A+.  You can dislike Cano all you like but to act as if he isn't carrying this team is foolish.


If he were to go down with an injury there is no doubt the team would suffer, however that has nothing to do with the fact, IMO, he is performing to a B+. You keep rationalizing about his replacements, but again, that has nothing to do with his grade.


One more thing, it is an assumption on your part, and the assumption is that because I didn't give him an A, I dislike him. It has nothing to do with replacing Cano with Gonzalez, as you said.

9 years ago  ::  Jul 16, 2013 - 11:30AM #48
Marvin
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Jul 15, 2013 -- 11:53PM, jorgecostanza wrote:


Jul 15, 2013 -- 7:53PM, Marvin wrote:


Jul 15, 2013 -- 7:32PM, jorgecostanza wrote:



Then you missed a key point in a game last week when he was on 2nd and we had a runner on 1st, 0 outs and a sac bunt was attempted and Nunez was trotting to 3rd (Canoing) thinking there would be no play on him. Well there was, and he was out. He should have been safe, bases loaded, no one out. Now, with one out, there's no one on 3rd. Inexcusable. 





I saw it but it seemed more like a mistake due to inexperience


Inexperience? To run hard? LOL, Marvin.  




 




OK, maybe brain-lock in that he assumed the throw would be to first base. But not lack of hustle brought about by observing that Cano jogs to first as you suggest.  Nunez runs hard to first base on ground balls.

9 years ago  ::  Jul 16, 2013 - 11:51AM #49
luvdayanks
Posts: 31,419

Jul 16, 2013 -- 11:30AM, Marvin wrote:


Jul 15, 2013 -- 11:53PM, jorgecostanza wrote:


Jul 15, 2013 -- 7:53PM, Marvin wrote:


Jul 15, 2013 -- 7:32PM, jorgecostanza wrote:



Then you missed a key point in a game last week when he was on 2nd and we had a runner on 1st, 0 outs and a sac bunt was attempted and Nunez was trotting to 3rd (Canoing) thinking there would be no play on him. Well there was, and he was out. He should have been safe, bases loaded, no one out. Now, with one out, there's no one on 3rd. Inexcusable. 





I saw it but it seemed more like a mistake due to inexperience


Inexperience? To run hard? LOL, Marvin.  




 




OK, maybe brain-lock in that he assumed the throw would be to first base. But not lack of hustle brought about by observing that Cano jogs to first as you suggest.  Nunez runs hard to first base on ground balls.





He runs so hard he loses his helmet.


9 years ago  ::  Jul 16, 2013 - 2:35PM #50
jorgecostanza
Posts: 1,362

Jul 16, 2013 -- 11:30AM, Marvin wrote:


Jul 15, 2013 -- 11:53PM, jorgecostanza wrote:


Jul 15, 2013 -- 7:53PM, Marvin wrote:


Jul 15, 2013 -- 7:32PM, jorgecostanza wrote:



Then you missed a key point in a game last week when he was on 2nd and we had a runner on 1st, 0 outs and a sac bunt was attempted and Nunez was trotting to 3rd (Canoing) thinking there would be no play on him. Well there was, and he was out. He should have been safe, bases loaded, no one out. Now, with one out, there's no one on 3rd. Inexcusable. 





I saw it but it seemed more like a mistake due to inexperience


Inexperience? To run hard? LOL, Marvin.  




 




OK, maybe brain-lock in that he assumed the throw would be to first base. But not lack of hustle brought about by observing that Cano jogs to first as you suggest.  Nunez runs hard to first base on ground balls.





I meant to (if I didn't) stop short of blaming Cano for it, you can't. But he is setting a bad example. And I cannot for the life of me see giving the kind of money he wants to a guy who can't be bothered to run out of the box and expect to build a championship team around. imo


Apart from that one play, I have no problem with the way Nunez runs bases.

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