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Here we go as in Hot Stove baseball....Yankees make qualifying offers to Cano, Kuroda, Granderson
8 years ago  ::  Nov 04, 2013 - 11:23PM #21
diehardma
Posts: 6,774
Obviously they made Cano a qualifying offer... It would be ludicrous not to. Teams make qualifying offers to protect themselves and gain a draft pick if the player signs with another team. Why would the Yankees offer him a huge deal as opposed to a qualifying offer. If he denies the huge deal now the Yanks get no draft pick.

This is normal business for any team with a big name free agent. Any decent sized market team offers their best players qualifying offers. Really isn't a difficult concept.
8 years ago  ::  Nov 05, 2013 - 9:19AM #22
GottaGoToMo
Posts: 84,644

Nov 4, 2013 -- 11:23PM, diehardma wrote:

Obviously they made Cano a qualifying offer... It would be ludicrous not to. Teams make qualifying offers to protect themselves and gain a draft pick if the player signs with another team. Why would the Yankees offer him a huge deal as opposed to a qualifying offer. If he denies the huge deal now the Yanks get no draft pick. This is normal business for any team with a big name free agent. Any decent sized market team offers their best players qualifying offers. Really isn't a difficult concept.




Just read in another thread that the Yankees offered Cano $165 million ... my main question about the qualifying offer is how can they have offered Cano two different contracts ... or maybe the $165 million was not a firm offer ?? ... this is what is confusing me.

8 years ago  ::  Nov 06, 2013 - 1:42AM #23
AJFreeway
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$14 million is awfully high for Granderson. The Yankees might have been hoping he would walk and they could pick up the draft pick for him, but his comments about the offer would suggest he's going to accept it. He would be crazy not to, since it's at least a few million more than anyone else would give him.

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8 years ago  ::  Nov 06, 2013 - 2:55PM #24
Paterson
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Nov 6, 2013 -- 1:42AM, AJFreeway wrote:


$14 million is awfully high for Granderson. The Yankees might have been hoping he would walk and they could pick up the draft pick for him, but his comments about the offer would suggest he's going to accept it. He would be crazy not to, since it's at least a few million more than anyone else would give him.




   I would much rather see Granderson play 150 games than Wells and watching Ichiro play is painful. As it is not my money...Welcome home Grandy Man !

8 years ago  ::  Nov 06, 2013 - 3:35PM #25
61in61
Posts: 26,516

Nov 5, 2013 -- 9:19AM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Nov 4, 2013 -- 11:23PM, diehardma wrote:

Obviously they made Cano a qualifying offer... It would be ludicrous not to. Teams make qualifying offers to protect themselves and gain a draft pick if the player signs with another team. Why would the Yankees offer him a huge deal as opposed to a qualifying offer. If he denies the huge deal now the Yanks get no draft pick. This is normal business for any team with a big name free agent. Any decent sized market team offers their best players qualifying offers. Really isn't a difficult concept.




Just read in another thread that the Yankees offered Cano $165 million ... my main question about the qualifying offer is how can they have offered Cano two different contracts ... or maybe the $165 million was not a firm offer ?? ... this is what is confusing me.




The QO is a relatively new wrinkle in the free agent world. Perhaps that is what is confusing you. Previously, if a team wanted to retain the rights to a draft pick involving a free agent they had to agree to the arbitration process by offering the player a contract. That rule no longer applies. Teams must make a QO to a player based on the average annual salary of the top 125 salaries in MLB. This year that average is $14.1M. So, simply offering a contract to a player no longer secures a draft pick if that player signs with another team.


The current process is a bit less risky for the than the old system. All they have to do is decide whether player "X" is worth $14.1M on a one year deal. Thus, extending a QO to Cano is a no-brainer because he stands to be worth much more than $14.1M. In the old sytem a team never really new what an arbitrator might decide.

8 years ago  ::  Nov 06, 2013 - 8:20PM #26
GottaGoToMo
Posts: 84,644

Nov 6, 2013 -- 3:35PM, 61in61 wrote:


Nov 5, 2013 -- 9:19AM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Nov 4, 2013 -- 11:23PM, diehardma wrote:

Obviously they made Cano a qualifying offer... It would be ludicrous not to. Teams make qualifying offers to protect themselves and gain a draft pick if the player signs with another team. Why would the Yankees offer him a huge deal as opposed to a qualifying offer. If he denies the huge deal now the Yanks get no draft pick. This is normal business for any team with a big name free agent. Any decent sized market team offers their best players qualifying offers. Really isn't a difficult concept.




Just read in another thread that the Yankees offered Cano $165 million ... my main question about the qualifying offer is how can they have offered Cano two different contracts ... or maybe the $165 million was not a firm offer ?? ... this is what is confusing me.




The QO is a relatively new wrinkle in the free agent world. Perhaps that is what is confusing you. Previously, if a team wanted to retain the rights to a draft pick involving a free agent they had to agree to the arbitration process by offering the player a contract. That rule no longer applies. Teams must make a QO to a player based on the average annual salary of the top 125 salaries in MLB. This year that average is $14.1M. So, simply offering a contract to a player no longer secures a draft pick if that player signs with another team.


The current process is a bit less risky for the than the old system. All they have to do is decide whether player "X" is worth $14.1M on a one year deal. Thus, extending a QO to Cano is a no-brainer because he stands to be worth much more than $14.1M. In the old sytem a team never really new what an arbitrator might decide.




Thank you so much for the info!

8 years ago  ::  Nov 07, 2013 - 8:29AM #27
laurenfrances
Posts: 44,759

Nov 6, 2013 -- 2:55PM, Paterson wrote:


Nov 6, 2013 -- 1:42AM, AJFreeway wrote:


$14 million is awfully high for Granderson. The Yankees might have been hoping he would walk and they could pick up the draft pick for him, but his comments about the offer would suggest he's going to accept it. He would be crazy not to, since it's at least a few million more than anyone else would give him.




   I would much rather see Granderson play 150 games than Wells and watching Ichiro play is painful. As it is not my money...Welcome home Grandy Man !




No so fast...




Granderson hints at declining qualifying offer


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During a recent radio interviewCurtis Granderson hinted at declining the $14.1M qualifying offer the Yankees made him on Monday. “You definitely got to continue to weigh all your options to see what’s the best fit for you … There are 29 other ballclubs out there, and we’re now at a point where every team has the chance to be a contender here in the near future,” he said. Justin Terranova has a transcript, so check it out.


Granderson, 32, should have no trouble finding a multi-year contract this winter. The question is whether he wants to take what he can get right now, or accept the offer and hope to rebuild some value with a full healthy season in friendly Yankee Stadium before going back out onto the market next winter. There’s a strong case to be made for both and it’s a win-win situation for New York. If he rejects and signs elsewhere, they get a high pick. If he accepts, they get him back on a one-year deal. That might destroy their plan to get under the $189M luxury tax, but that’s life.


8 years ago  ::  Nov 07, 2013 - 8:46AM #28
laurenfrances
Posts: 44,759

The past could offer window into Yankees’ offseason moves







They last finished a season with a sub-$189 million payroll in 2003. So they are aiming toward unfamiliar territory. Nevertheless, the Yankees have been prepping for this moment the past three years — by avoiding most contracts that would carry into 2014.


Still, the Yanks will have $60 million-ish (with Alex Rodriguez) and $90 million-ish (without him) to spend on free agents (including their own, such as Robinson Cano).


They are going to be active shoppers. But on what? The best source for determining that is, of all things, the Yankees.


Yes, they have abandoned familiar patterns on occasion to sign a Rafael Soriano or Ichiro Suzuki. In general, though, they have consistently prioritized two items — power rotation arms and lefty power bats. I would suspect that heads their shopping list again:


1. POWER PITCHING: The Yanks believe a strong rotation is a must to contend. Last offseason, for example, they used most of their budgeted dollars to quickly retain Hiroki Kuroda, Andy Pettitte and Mariano Rivera. The previous offseason, when they were ready to finally trade Jesus Montero, it was for Michael Pineda.


Following the playoff-less 2008 campaign, the two key items were CC Sabathia and A.J. Burnett — Mark Teixeira was almost an afterthought, a signing general manager Brian Cashman essentially had to beg Hal Steinbrenner to consummate.


In the season prior to joining the Yanks, Sabathia, Burnett, Javier Vazquez and Pineda all averaged at least 8.9 strikeouts per nine innings and finished in the top seven in the majors in that category. The only significant starter added in recent years that did not fit this profile was Kuroda, who was a good, not great strikeout artist, but was valued for his repertoire and poise.


This is why the Yanks want Masahiro Tanaka, believing he has many of Kuroda’s assets. The Yanks would love to land Tanaka, re-sign Kuroda and team them with Sabathia and Ivan Nova, and have Pineda, David Phelps, Adam Warren, Brett Marshall and Vidal Nuno for depth.


However, Tanaka will have to be won through posting rules yet to be finalized and the Yanks think Kuroda is leaning toward returning to Japan. With or without that duo, the Yanks recently have shown solidifying the rotation is their top concern. Thus, I suspect they are adding two starters and will look to power arms if they cannot have Tanaka and/or Kuroda.


Burnett, a free agent, actually led NL qualifiers in strikeouts per nine innings (9.85). But the Yanks learned with Vazquez that a failure once in The Bronx is not worth revisiting.


The Yanks lack the prospect base to acquire potential trade pieces David Price and Max Scherzer, and probably not Jeff Samardzija either. Among free agents, Ubaldo Jimenez (9.56) has always intrigued the Yanks. But is he too Burnett-esque (great stuff, dubious command)?


As long as the medicals are fine — and those are big ifs — keep an eye on Josh Johnson (9.18) and Dan Haren (8.01), who continued to be able to miss bats even in down seasons and might be possible to lure on one-year, build-back-up-value contracts.


2. POWER BATS: From 2009-12 (coinciding with the opening of the new Stadium), Yankee lefty batters hit 164, 124, 135 and 154 homers — the most in the majors each season. They were 12th last year with 81, mainly because of extended injuries for Curtis Granderson and Teixeira, and the decision to replace Nick Swisher and Raul Ibanez with Suzuki and Travis Hafner.


Like with power pitching, the Yanks have emphasized this area. For example, they did decide to sign the switch-hitting Teixeira. They used Austin Jackson and Ian Kennedy to get Granderson. They identified lefty, flyball pull specialists such as Ibanez, Hafner and Eric Chavez. They do believe in being The Bronx Bombers.


If Granderson accepts the $14.1 million qualifying offer, Cano is re-signed and Teixeira is healthy, the Yanks will have mainly addressed this problem. If Granderson doesn’t return, then free-agent Carlos Beltran becomes a possibility. Shin-Soo Choo is attractive because he also adds on-base brilliance, but I don’t think the Yanks will go to the six-year length for him. If the Rockies ever make Carlos Gonzalez available, the Yanks would definitely be interested and on a lesser scale, the Cubs’ Nate Schierholtz and the A’s Seth Smith also could be intriguing in trades.


Brian McCann would bring 20-homer, lefty might to catching, but his price tag could climb toward $100 million. I suspect the Yanks also want a complementary third baseman with lefty power if A-Rod returns or not. Chavez, if he continues to play and is willing to return to New York, would be ideal. If Wilson Betemit is healthy, he also could be a possibility.


The Yanks have been mentioned with Jacoby Ellsbury. But, again, follow the history. He will cost $100 million-plus to sign and his lefty power has vanished the past two years. Brett Gardner will cost about $5 million in 2014, Cashman and Joe Girardi have done nothing to hide how much they like him, and — after the Suzuki fiasco — the Yanks will avoid limited lefty power in two outfield slots.


That is what history tells us anyway.


8 years ago  ::  Nov 07, 2013 - 9:54AM #29
bomberhojoe
Posts: 15,318

Nov 6, 2013 -- 2:55PM, Paterson wrote:


Nov 6, 2013 -- 1:42AM, AJFreeway wrote:


$14 million is awfully high for Granderson. The Yankees might have been hoping he would walk and they could pick up the draft pick for him, but his comments about the offer would suggest he's going to accept it. He would be crazy not to, since it's at least a few million more than anyone else would give him.




   I would much rather see Granderson play 150 games than Wells and watching Ichiro play is painful. As it is not my money...Welcome home Grandy Man !




Pat, I agree.  I actually think $14 M for a guy who gives you 100 RBI and 100 Runs is a bargain.

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8 years ago  ::  Nov 07, 2013 - 10:29AM #30
yank0428
Posts: 18,446

Nov 6, 2013 -- 1:42AM, AJFreeway wrote:


$14 million is awfully high for Granderson. The Yankees might have been hoping he would walk and they could pick up the draft pick for him, but his comments about the offer would suggest he's going to accept it. He would be crazy not to, since it's at least a few million more than anyone else would give him.




He made 15 mil this year. He had freak injuries this year, not career concerning injuries. He will get a good offer from another team. I'd be shocked if he accepted the QO. If he does then the Yanks don't have to worry about upgrading the OF.

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