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8 years ago  ::  Jun 23, 2014 - 11:01AM #11
Keena
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Personally. I'm not a fan of retiring any numbers.  Put a plaque up for the truly greats but leave the numbers alone.  Just my 2 cents.

8 years ago  ::  Jun 23, 2014 - 11:04AM #12
Stewie
Posts: 2,450

Jun 23, 2014 -- 9:45AM, 61in61 wrote:


Jun 23, 2014 -- 9:39AM, matt wrote:


What about that guy Mariano Rivera?  I heard he was pretty good.




His number is already retired.




Retiring #42 for Mariano as well as for Jackie Robinson could get tricky, racial politics-wise.  It could be seen by some as watering down the honor of retiring Jackie Robinson's #42.  That, of course, is hogwash, but I guarantee you someone will say it.

8 years ago  ::  Jun 23, 2014 - 11:06AM #13
luvdayanks
Posts: 31,505

Jun 23, 2014 -- 11:01AM, Keena wrote:


Personally. I'm not a fan of retiring any numbers.  Put a plaque up for the truly greats but leave the numbers alone.  Just my 2 cents.





I don't have a problem with retiring numbers, just as long as thay're very selective. 3/4 of the numbers retired, shouldn't be retired. Retired numbers are a way of honoring the career of an OUTSTANDING player and no one else deserves to wear that number.

8 years ago  ::  Jun 23, 2014 - 11:07AM #14
luvdayanks
Posts: 31,505

Jun 23, 2014 -- 11:04AM, Stewie wrote:


Jun 23, 2014 -- 9:45AM, 61in61 wrote:


Jun 23, 2014 -- 9:39AM, matt wrote:


What about that guy Mariano Rivera?  I heard he was pretty good.




His number is already retired.




Retiring #42 for Mariano as well as for Jackie Robinson could get tricky, racial politics-wise.  It could be seen by some as watering down the honor of retiring Jackie Robinson's #42.  That, of course, is hogwash, but I guarantee you someone will say it.





I think you just did!

8 years ago  ::  Jun 23, 2014 - 11:53AM #15
matt
Posts: 14

Jun 23, 2014 -- 9:45AM, 61in61 wrote:


Jun 23, 2014 -- 9:39AM, matt wrote:


What about that guy Mariano Rivera?  I heard he was pretty good.




His number is already retired.




That was sarcasm...this guy(Stewie) is talking like nobody besides that classic players("The only Yankee numbers that should be retired are 3,4,5,7,8 and 16.  Period. ") of the early to mid 20th century deserve to have their numbers retired and made no mention of Mariano whose number is already retired and Jeter who will have his number retired.  Both classic Yankees and the Yankees would not have won those World Series in the late 90's, and 2000 without them.

8 years ago  ::  Jun 23, 2014 - 12:01PM #16
newinn
Posts: 38,999

Jun 23, 2014 -- 11:07AM, luvdayanks wrote:


Jun 23, 2014 -- 11:04AM, Stewie wrote:


Jun 23, 2014 -- 9:45AM, 61in61 wrote:


Jun 23, 2014 -- 9:39AM, matt wrote:


What about that guy Mariano Rivera?  I heard he was pretty good.




His number is already retired.




Retiring #42 for Mariano as well as for Jackie Robinson could get tricky, racial politics-wise.  It could be seen by some as watering down the honor of retiring Jackie Robinson's #42.  That, of course, is hogwash, but I guarantee you someone will say it.





I think you just did!




Geeeeez luv, where are they coming from?

8 years ago  ::  Jun 23, 2014 - 12:43PM #17
Stewie
Posts: 2,450

Jun 23, 2014 -- 11:53AM, matt wrote:


Jun 23, 2014 -- 9:45AM, 61in61 wrote:


Jun 23, 2014 -- 9:39AM, matt wrote:


What about that guy Mariano Rivera?  I heard he was pretty good.




His number is already retired.




That was sarcasm...this guy(Stewie) is talking like nobody besides that classic players("The only Yankee numbers that should be retired are 3,4,5,7,8 and 16.  Period. ") of the early to mid 20th century deserve to have their numbers retired and made no mention of Mariano whose number is already retired and Jeter who will have his number retired.  Both classic Yankees and the Yankees would not have won those World Series in the late 90's, and 2000 without them.




matt,


I didn't list Mariano or Jeter because they're future possible number-retirees.  I was commenting on existing retired numbers and their deservedness or not.


Those two, of course, I would consider no-brainers for future number retirement.

8 years ago  ::  Jun 23, 2014 - 2:27PM #18
luvdayanks
Posts: 31,505

Jun 23, 2014 -- 12:01PM, newinn wrote:


Jun 23, 2014 -- 11:07AM, luvdayanks wrote:


Jun 23, 2014 -- 11:04AM, Stewie wrote:


Jun 23, 2014 -- 9:45AM, 61in61 wrote:


Jun 23, 2014 -- 9:39AM, matt wrote:


What about that guy Mariano Rivera?  I heard he was pretty good.




His number is already retired.




Retiring #42 for Mariano as well as for Jackie Robinson could get tricky, racial politics-wise.  It could be seen by some as watering down the honor of retiring Jackie Robinson's #42.  That, of course, is hogwash, but I guarantee you someone will say it.





I think you just did!




Geeeeez luv, where are they coming from?





Got me new, they're multiplying like rabbits in heat.Tongue Out I think some of them are reincarnations of some of the old whiners and know it alls like AJ and Reggiebars.

8 years ago  ::  Jun 23, 2014 - 3:02PM #19
Stewie
Posts: 2,450

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Geeeeez luv, where are they coming from?


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Got me new, they're multiplying like rabbits in heat.Tongue Out I think some of them are reincarnations of some of the old whiners and know it alls like AJ and Reggiebars.


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1,9,10,15,23,32,37,44,and 49 should never have been retired and should still be available.  Who's next, Mickey Rivers # 17?

8 years ago  ::  Jun 23, 2014 - 3:44PM #20
61in61
Posts: 26,516

Jun 23, 2014 -- 10:55AM, Stewie wrote:


Jun 23, 2014 -- 9:37AM, 61in61 wrote:


Jun 23, 2014 -- 8:24AM, Stewie wrote:


The only Yankee numbers that should be retired are 3,4,5,7,8 and 16.  Period.  Yankee legends.  If you say the name and don't get a chill down your spine the number should not be retired.

Not temporary hires like Martinez or Jackson.  Jackson played 5 years with New York out of a total of 21 seasons.  In those 5 seasons he hit 100 RBIs twice, hit over 32 HRs once, and hit.300 once.  Let's face it, he wasn't all that great with New York; he got his number retired for one thing only: Game 6 of the '77 Series.

Not mediocrities like Rizzuto.

Not very-good players like Mattingly, Guidry and Howard (how does one hit .287 with 85 RBIs and become the MVP?) who all had 3 or 4 great seasons and then a long, slow decline.


And not Munson.  Again, a very good player, with 113 HRs in 11 seasons and already in decline for a couple of years at the time of his tragic demise.


Mattingly, Guidry, Howard and Munson all should have a plaque in the Yankees HOF, but no retired numbers.

And please, no managers.


I had an instinct to say "No Hall of Fame, no retired number" but undeserved inductions like Mazeroski, Dawson and yes, Phil Rizzuto made that a non-starter.

Ruth, Gehrig, DiMaggio, Mantle, Berra and Whitey.  Anyone who says any of those other names belongs in that roll call is deluded.      




Howard had his number retired because he was the first African-American player to play for the Yankees. As for his MVP in 1963, things were different back then. The MVP typically came from the team that won the pennant. Al Kaline had better numbers , but the Tigers finished 5th. The thinking was, how valuable could you be if your team finished 5th? The only other option for MVP was Ford.


No problem with Munson either. Retiring his number seems like a no-brainer.




Being the first African-American Yankee entitles Howard to exactly nothing.  Whenever you either grant or deny an opportunity or a privilege to anyone based solely upon skin color that's the living definition of racism.  If you offered Ellie Howard a retired number and told him it was because of his skin color he'd never accept it.


I don't see what basis you have for considering retiring Munson's number a no-brainer.  He had 3 or 4 great years out of 11.  He was good, sometimes very good, but not deserving to join The Babe, Joltin' Joe and The Mick.




Sorry, man, if you need to question why Munson's number was retired you need a therapist.

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