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8 years ago  ::  Jun 23, 2014 - 4:29PM #21
ru4_nyy
Posts: 3,316

Jun 23, 2014 -- 3:02PM, Stewie wrote:




Geeeeez luv, where are they coming from?





Got me new, they're multiplying like rabbits in heat.Tongue Out I think some of them are reincarnations of some of the old whiners and know it alls like AJ and Reggiebars.





1,9,10,15,23,32,37,44,and 49 should never have been retired and should still be available.  Who's next, Mickey Rivers # 17?






Stewie,


Is your other posting name T15D23A46?. You sure whine the same way.


You are about as brilliant as your avatar.

8 years ago  ::  Jun 23, 2014 - 4:33PM #22
davis2
Posts: 19,213

Jun 23, 2014 -- 10:12AM, yankgehrig wrote:


Jun 23, 2014 -- 8:24AM, Stewie wrote:


The only Yankee numbers that should be retired are 3,4,5,7,8 and 16.  Period.  Yankee legends.  If you say the name and don't get a chill down your spine the number should not be retired.

Not temporary hires like Martinez or Jackson.  Jackson played 5 years with New York out of a total of 21 seasons.  In those 5 seasons he hit 100 RBIs twice, hit over 32 HRs once, and hit.300 once.  Let's face it, he wasn't all that great with New York; he got his number retired for one thing only: Game 6 of the '77 Series.

Not mediocrities like Rizzuto.

Not very-good players like Mattingly, Guidry and Howard (how does one hit .287 with 85 RBIs and become the MVP?) who all had 3 or 4 great seasons and then a long, slow decline.


And not Munson.  Again, a very good player, with 113 HRs in 11 seasons and already in decline for a couple of years at the time of his tragic demise.


Mattingly, Guidry, Howard and Munson all should have a plaque in the Yankees HOF, but no retired numbers.

And please, no managers.


I had an instinct to say "No Hall of Fame, no retired number" but undeserved inductions like Mazeroski, Dawson and yes, Phil Rizzuto made that a non-starter.

Ruth, Gehrig, DiMaggio, Mantle, Berra and Whitey.  Anyone who says any of those other names belongs in that roll call is deluded.      



10 for Rizzuto & Munson and 9 for Maris, Nettles  have to be retired also.  I agree with rest but the the others I sited should be retired.






A sox fan like you should know better.

8 years ago  ::  Jun 23, 2014 - 4:34PM #23
ru4_nyy
Posts: 3,316

Jun 23, 2014 -- 11:04AM, Stewie wrote:


Jun 23, 2014 -- 9:45AM, 61in61 wrote:


Jun 23, 2014 -- 9:39AM, matt wrote:


What about that guy Mariano Rivera?  I heard he was pretty good.




His number is already retired.




Retiring #42 for Mariano as well as for Jackie Robinson could get tricky, racial politics-wise.  It could be seen by some as watering down the honor of retiring Jackie Robinson's #42.  That, of course, is hogwash, but I guarantee you someone will say it.





Hey dimwit, The Yankees already retired #42 for Mariano.



mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=2013092...



Yanks retire Mo's No. 42 on special day in Bronx


Pregame ceremony also features Metallica performing 'Enter Sandman'







Mo's No. 42 is retired

9/22/13: Mariano Rivera's No. 42 is retired in Monument Park, standing together with the retired numbers of other Yankees icons



NEW YORK -- Mariano Rivera raised his palms with gratitude toward Yankee Stadium's most distant seats, acknowledging the rhythmic chanting of his first name pouring down into sun-splashed Monument Park. His place with the legends is officially secure.


Peeling away its blue-cloth covering with great care, Rivera said he felt an adrenaline rush as he unveiled the symbol of his contributions to the Yankees and to baseball: a pinstriped No. 42 that will forever be on display in recognition of his achievements.


"While I'm still playing, I'm retired already," Rivera said later, with a laugh.


It felt like a final goodbye, but Rivera still has six more games remaining in uniform, three of which will be played in the Bronx. But as the Sandman prepares for his final exit, the Yankees nailed their tribute to the all-time saves leader, giving him a sendoff for the ages.



As he has been all year, Rivera was clearly moved and appreciative of the gestures made in his honor. In what he said were unscripted, spontaneous remarks, Rivera was given the opportunity to clutch a microphone and address the crowd of 49,197.


"To you fans, thank you for 19 years of support," Rivera said. "It has been a great run, guys. You guys have been amazing, you always have been here for me and for the organization. I will never forget that. You guys will have part of my heart here in New York. You have taken me in like one of you guys and I do appreciate that."


Major League Baseball universally retired No. 42 in honor of barrier-breaking great Jackie Robinson in 1997, permitting only players who were wearing the number to continue. Rivera is the last active player to do so.


Upon his introduction by announcers John Sterling and Michael Kay, Rivera earned a standing ovation that lasted more than a minute. Joined by his wife, Clara, and their sons, Mariano Jr., Jafet, and Jaziel, Rivera again waved his arms in gratitude.


Moving through Monument Park, he was flanked by members of the Steinbrenner family as well as Robinson's wife, Rachel, and daughter, Sharon. Neighboring Ron Guidry's retired No. 49 in Monument Park, Rivera's pinstriped No. 42 plaque displaced Robinson's blue No. 42.


Rivera helped unveil a bronze plaque in a new location to honor Robinson, a man Rivera said that he wished he could have met.


"To have Rachel and the Robinson family here, it means a lot to me," Rivera said. "All the respect that I have for the family and for Mr. Jackie Robinson and all he did for us, me being the last one to wear the No. 42, I can't ask for better than that."


Panamanian flags waved in Yankee Stadium's upper deck and white No. 42s were painted along both base lines on what mayor Michael R. Bloomberg officially proclaimed to be "Mariano Rivera Day" in the City of New York.


Joe Torre, Hideki Matsui, Jorge Posada, Bernie Williams, Tino Martinez, Paul O'Neill, Jeff Nelson, Gene Michael, David Cone, John Wetteland and Gene Monahan were on hand for the ceremony, lauding a man who has collected 652 regular-season saves, plus 42 more in the postseason.


"There is nobody," Torre said, "that is ever going to do what he did out of the bullpen."


Following a video of Rivera's career highlights, the members of Metallica took to the stage in center field and played a live version of Rivera's entry song, "Enter Sandman," in an unannounced surprise.


Outfitted in pinstriped jerseys with "Metallica" in script across the front, singer James Hetfield announced, "This is for you, Mariano!" To those familiar guitar strains, the bullpen gate opened and Rivera strode through.


His spikes crunching on the warning track, Rivera opted not to break into his usual graceful jog; instead, he walked slowly, appearing to savor each step.


"The whole thing was special," Rivera said. "I wasn't expecting something like that. Seeing my ex-teammates, the whole Stadium packed with a lot of flags and fellow Panamanians from Panama, it was a lot of emotions. It was more than what I was thinking, because I didn't know anything. They didn't want to tell me anything. It was great."


Rivera finally reached the infield, where he was amused to see Posada and Williams capturing the moment with their cell phone cameras. Posada later said that he had been "nervous for" Rivera, and Williams remarked that the ceremony showed that the Yankees organization "knows how to reward its heroes."


"I thought it was great. It was well deserved," Derek Jeter said. "I thought it was wonderful, it was emotional and I'm glad I had the opportunity to be here. Mo deserves it."


The Giants gave Rivera a watercolor painting of his June 2007 appearance at AT&T Park, as well as a special Willie Mays-autographed guitar that the Giants worked with Metallica's Kirk Hammett to design. The members of Metallica gave Rivera a guitar speaker cabinet, signed by the band.


On behalf of the New York Yankees Foundation, a $100,000 check was presented to the Mariano Rivera Foundation. Jeter and Joe Girardi then carried a rocking chair made with baseball bats to the mound, where Rivera immediately tried out its comfortable leather seat.


Rivera also received a replica of his retired number and a Waterford crystal version of his glove. As he made his remarks on the field, Rivera thanked his family for supporting his career, as well as his parents for raising him.


He concluded by expressing gratitude to the United States and to his homeland of Panama, as well as for former Yankees owner George M. Steinbrenner, a man that he said he loves and misses greatly.


"I want to give thanks to the good Lord for this tremendous organization," Rivera said. "The New York Yankees have been my family. They have been special to me."





8 years ago  ::  Jun 23, 2014 - 4:37PM #24
davis2
Posts: 19,213

Jun 23, 2014 -- 3:02PM, Stewie wrote:




Geeeeez luv, where are they coming from?





Got me new, they're multiplying like rabbits in heat.Tongue Out I think some of them are reincarnations of some of the old whiners and know it alls like AJ and Reggiebars.





1,9,10,15,23,32,37,44,and 49 should never have been retired and should still be available.  Who's next, Mickey Rivers # 17?



They won't retire it for Mick the Quick, but they will for Flash Flaherty...

8 years ago  ::  Jun 23, 2014 - 4:40PM #25
ru4_nyy
Posts: 3,316

Jun 23, 2014 -- 4:37PM, davis2 wrote:


Jun 23, 2014 -- 3:02PM, Stewie wrote:




Geeeeez luv, where are they coming from?





Got me new, they're multiplying like rabbits in heat.Tongue Out I think some of them are reincarnations of some of the old whiners and know it alls like AJ and Reggiebars.





1,9,10,15,23,32,37,44,and 49 should never have been retired and should still be available.  Who's next, Mickey Rivers # 17?



They won't retire it for Mick the Quick, but they will for Flash Flaherty...





..or "Stick" Michael

8 years ago  ::  Jun 23, 2014 - 4:43PM #26
davis2
Posts: 19,213

Jun 23, 2014 -- 4:40PM, ru4_nyy wrote:


Jun 23, 2014 -- 4:37PM, davis2 wrote:


Jun 23, 2014 -- 3:02PM, Stewie wrote:




Geeeeez luv, where are they coming from?





Got me new, they're multiplying like rabbits in heat.Tongue Out I think some of them are reincarnations of some of the old whiners and know it alls like AJ and Reggiebars.





1,9,10,15,23,32,37,44,and 49 should never have been retired and should still be available.  Who's next, Mickey Rivers # 17?



They won't retire it for Mick the Quick, but they will for Flash Flaherty...





..or "Stick" Michael



What about "Bashing Brendan Ryan"?

8 years ago  ::  Jun 23, 2014 - 5:04PM #27
YankeeLoon
Posts: 17,903
Ignore teeny boppers who think they're authorities. Stein knows sht about this team.
8 years ago  ::  Jun 23, 2014 - 5:09PM #28
YankeeLoon
Posts: 17,903
Stewie = Stein in Autocorrectville
8 years ago  ::  Jun 24, 2014 - 7:40AM #29
Stewie
Posts: 2,450

Jun 23, 2014 -- 5:09PM, YankeeLoon wrote:

Stewie = Stein in Autocorrectville




Loon,


Allow me to retort.


Did you actually read what I wrote, or did you just jump on the bashing bandwagon and hurry to click "Submit Post" when you heard your Pop-Tarts were done?  The gist of what I said was that retiring a number should only be done for the true Yankee superstars (that word gets so overused) and that doing it to honor second-tier players like Mattingly, Rizzuto, Munson, Howard and Guidry just cheapened the whole process and didn't make those players any better than they were.  It's like putting Larry Fine in an Armani tux; it's a spiffy suit but it doesn't make him George Clooney.  The players I listed were good and very good, some of them brilliant for a few years.  That doesn't mean you go overboard and put them in the pantheon of Yankee legends.  If you believe that Mattingly and the rest belong enshrined side by side with Ruth, Gehrig and DiMaggio then you are truly delusional and there's no talking to you.


Short version:  Yes, give them a little plaque but retire their numbers?  Preposterous.

8 years ago  ::  Jun 24, 2014 - 7:53AM #30
Stewie
Posts: 2,450

61in61 said: 


Sorry, man, if you need to question why Munson's number was retired you need a therapist.


 


Dear 61,


Munson had a few great years, a few good years and a few not so good.  In 11 seasons he amassed a total of 113 HRs and 701 RBIs.  He was a good player, not a demigod.  Don't let his tragic premature passing mythologize him into something he wasn't.  And what he wasn't was a Yankee legend worthy of being enshrined along with Ruth, Gehrig, DiMaggio and Mantle.




 

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