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Matt said:
Stewie, It's more than just stats that got Munson's number retired. It was also character and him being one of the more respected players of the time.
Matt, What? He played hard and hustled? We retire numbers for that? He just did what every player is supposed to do: play every game as if it mattered and leave it all out on the field. Sorry, but that's not enough. The numbers just aren't there. It was very sad when he got himself killed (see the NTSB accident report) and nearly got two other people killed along with him but that has nothing to do with retiring a number. I've beaten this horse long enough; if you don't get the distinction between superstar and "Gee it's too bad he died so young" then I can't make you see it.
Look, just give it up. There is no way you can make a case for Munson not having his number retired.
But, he'll keep trying because he knows everything...NOT!
LOL...right now if the Yanks had a Gold Glove catcher batting around .300 they couldn't pay him enough.
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luv, It's called an opinion; that's why we're here. We have a difference of opinion, that's all. I believe Munson was a very good ballplayer. You believe that Munson is some sort of tragic demigod because he died young. You also believe that he belongs in the same category as Ruth, Gehrig, DiMaggio and Mantle, and I think that belief is patently absurd. Capisci, paisano?
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Matt said:
Stewie, It's more than just stats that got Munson's number retired. It was also character and him being one of the more respected players of the time.
Matt, What? He played hard and hustled? We retire numbers for that? He just did what every player is supposed to do: play every game as if it mattered and leave it all out on the field. Sorry, but that's not enough. The numbers just aren't there. It was very sad when he got himself killed (see the NTSB accident report) and nearly got two other people killed along with him but that has nothing to do with retiring a number. I've beaten this horse long enough; if you don't get the distinction between superstar and "Gee it's too bad he died so young" then I can't make you see it.
Look, just give it up. There is no way you can make a case for Munson not having his number retired.
But, he'll keep trying because he knows everything...NOT!
LOL...right now if the Yanks had a Gold Glove catcher batting around .300 they couldn't pay him enough.
Once again, he was very good; just not retire-his-number spectacularly good.
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luv,
It's called an opinion; that's why we're here. We have a difference of opinion, that's all. I believe Munson was a very good ballplayer. You believe that Munson is some sort of tragic demigod because he died young. You also believe that he belongs in the same category as Ruth, Gehrig, DiMaggio and Mantle, and I think that belief is patently absurd. Capisci, paisano?
Retiring a player's number is more than just about numbers. Its also about honor. You do realize that Munson was also the Yankee captain don't you?
Miller Huggins has a monument. What about that?
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^^^^ said Stewie the little runt who never saw Munson play but can Google stats online with the best of them! ! Here's a hint ya little runt: it's not your fault you were born when you were but it is your fault that you think you're an authority on things you clearly know jack sht about. Now go get your fkin shine box.
Yes, by all means, let's retire the numbers of every player who averaged 10 HRs and 64 RBIs.
Try to think of him as if he'd lived and continued on the downward slide he'd already embarked upon. He'd have finished his career a few years later, averaging even fewer HRs and RBIs per season with a lifetime BA somewhere in the .270s. He wasn't killed in action fighting for his country; he was killed by his own hubris, trying to fly an airplane that was too much aircraft for his limited piloting skills. It was a shame for his family but that's the way it was.
You do remember what happened to Billy Batts, don't you?
I didn't have a problem with you before I saw you write this ... now I think you're a piece of dog poop that should be scooped up and thrown out with the rest of the dog poop.
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luv,
It's called an opinion; that's why we're here. We have a difference of opinion, that's all. I believe Munson was a very good ballplayer. You believe that Munson is some sort of tragic demigod because he died young. You also believe that he belongs in the same category as Ruth, Gehrig, DiMaggio and Mantle, and I think that belief is patently absurd. Capisci, paisano?
You're putting words in my mouth, I never once said he belongs in the same category as them statwise, go back and read all the posts. I do however think he deserves to have his number retired because of his contributions as a Yankee, the way he played and as a testimonial of his loss.
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luv, It's called an opinion; that's why we're here. We have a difference of opinion, that's all. I believe Munson was a very good ballplayer. You believe that Munson is some sort of tragic demigod because he died young. You also believe that he belongs in the same category as Ruth, Gehrig, DiMaggio and Mantle, and I think that belief is patently absurd. Capisci, paisano?
You're putting words in my mouth, I never once said he belongs in the same category as them statwise, go back and read all the posts. I do however think he deserves to have his number retired because of his contributions as a Yankee, the way he played and as a testimonial of his loss.
Excellent way to put it.
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^^^^ said Stewie the little runt who never saw Munson play but can Google stats online with the best of them! ! Here's a hint ya little runt: it's not your fault you were born when you were but it is your fault that you think you're an authority on things you clearly know jack sht about. Now go get your fkin shine box.
Yes, by all means, let's retire the numbers of every player who averaged 10 HRs and 64 RBIs.
Try to think of him as if he'd lived and continued on the downward slide he'd already embarked upon. He'd have finished his career a few years later, averaging even fewer HRs and RBIs per season with a lifetime BA somewhere in the .270s. He wasn't killed in action fighting for his country; he was killed by his own hubris, trying to fly an airplane that was too much aircraft for his limited piloting skills. It was a shame for his family but that's the way it was.
You do remember what happened to Billy Batts, don't you?
I didn't have a problem with you before I saw you write this ... now I think you're a piece of dog poop that should be scooped up and thrown out with the rest of the dog poop.
You're giving him far too much credit calling him dog poop.
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luv, His numbers were good, not great. He played the way we wish every Yankee would play, all out and with heart. His loss is irrelevant to whether or not his number is retired. If it were, every player who fell in front of a subway train would get his number retired. His loss was worse; it was due to his reckless hubris, and he came within a hair of killing two others along with him. That kind of behavior doesn't rate adulation in my book, or the book of any sane individual.
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^^^^ said Stewie the little runt who never saw Munson play but can Google stats online with the best of them! ! Here's a hint ya little runt: it's not your fault you were born when you were but it is your fault that you think you're an authority on things you clearly know jack sht about. Now go get your fkin shine box.
Yes, by all means, let's retire the numbers of every player who averaged 10 HRs and 64 RBIs. Try to think of him as if he'd lived and continued on the downward slide he'd already embarked upon. He'd have finished his career a few years later, averaging even fewer HRs and RBIs per season with a lifetime BA somewhere in the .270s. He wasn't killed in action fighting for his country; he was killed by his own hubris, trying to fly an airplane that was too much aircraft for his limited piloting skills. It was a shame for his family but that's the way it was. You do remember what happened to Billy Batts, don't you?
I didn't have a problem with you before I saw you write this ... now I think you're a piece of dog poop that should be scooped up and thrown out with the rest of the dog poop.
You're giving him far too much credit calling him dog poop.
I know ... that was an insult to dogs ... sorry doggies.
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