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I know one thing. If we had somehow been able to communicate with Munson in the afterlife before his number was retired and told him "We're going to retire your number next week, right alongside Ruth and Gehrig, because you died so tragically." He would have said "F*** that, either give it to me on my performance alone or keep it!" He wouldn't have wanted the circumstances of his death to have anything at all to do with the decision to approve any honors he might receive.
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GottaGo, I couldn't agree with you more. It says I don't believe in handing out hollow honors, that I believe retired numbers should honor only the best of the best.
I think it's sad that you don't leave a bit of room for people like Thurman Munson.
Stewie is the codeword for jackashhhhhh
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I know one thing. If we had somehow been able to communicate with Munson in the afterlife before his number was retired and told him "We're going to retire your number next week, right alongside Ruth and Gehrig, because you died so tragically." He would have said "F*** that, either give it to me on my performance alone or keep it!" He wouldn't have wanted the circumstances of his death to have anything at all to do with the decision to approve any honors he might receive.
I don't think you have the right to say what you just said ... you have no clue what Munson would have wanted ... all this proves to me is that you really do make it up as you go along.
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luv, It's called an opinion; that's why we're here. We have a difference of opinion, that's all. I believe Munson was a very good ballplayer. You believe that Munson is some sort of tragic demigod because he died young. You also believe that he belongs in the same category as Ruth, Gehrig, DiMaggio and Mantle, and I think that belief is patently absurd. Capisci, paisano?
Retiring a player's number is more than just about numbers. Its also about honor. You do realize that Munson was also the Yankee captain don't you?
Miller Huggins has a monument. What about that?
Couldnt agree more about honor being a factor.
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luv,
His numbers were good, not great.
He played the way we wish every Yankee would play, all out and with heart.
His loss is irrelevant to whether or not his number is retired. If it were, every player who fell in front of a subway train would get his number retired. His loss was worse; it was due to his reckless hubris, and he came within a hair of killing two others along with him. That kind of behavior doesn't rate adulation in my book, or the book of any sane individual.
Your comment that Munson's number was retired because he was killed is absurd. His number was retired becasue he was a classy player who played the right way. You can't say that about too many players.
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luv, His numbers were good, not great. He played the way we wish every Yankee would play, all out and with heart. His loss is irrelevant to whether or not his number is retired. If it were, every player who fell in front of a subway train would get his number retired. His loss was worse; it was due to his reckless hubris, and he came within a hair of killing two others along with him. That kind of behavior doesn't rate adulation in my book, or the book of any sane individual.
Your comment that Munson's number was retired because he was killed is absurd. His number was retired becasue he was a classy player who played the right way. You can't say that about too many players.
You make a good point Matt ... we really shouldn't be thinking that his number was retired because of his death, but remember just how much of a classy player he really was ... he was a joy to watch in pinstripes.
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I know one thing. If we had somehow been able to communicate with Munson in the afterlife before his number was retired and told him "We're going to retire your number next week, right alongside Ruth and Gehrig, because you died so tragically." He would have said "F*** that, either give it to me on my performance alone or keep it!" He wouldn't have wanted the circumstances of his death to have anything at all to do with the decision to approve any honors he might receive.
I don't think you have the right to say what you just said ... you have no clue what Munson would have wanted ... all this proves to me is that you really do make it up as you go along.
I will state without reservation that Munson would never accept an honor that was undeserved, an honor in which his untimely death played even a small part in approving. I know, and you know, and the HOF voters knew/know, and Munson knew that his numbers just didn't deserve being ranked among the all-time greats. He wasn't the kind of guy who would accept anything that wasn't 100% earned on merit.
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I know one thing. If we had somehow been able to communicate with Munson in the afterlife before his number was retired and told him "We're going to retire your number next week, right alongside Ruth and Gehrig, because you died so tragically." He would have said "F*** that, either give it to me on my performance alone or keep it!" He wouldn't have wanted the circumstances of his death to have anything at all to do with the decision to approve any honors he might receive.
I don't think you have the right to say what you just said ... you have no clue what Munson would have wanted ... all this proves to me is that you really do make it up as you go along.
I will state without reservation that Munson would never accept an honor that was undeserved, an honor in which his untimely death played even a small part in approving. I know, and you know, and the HOF voters knew/know, and Munson knew that his numbers just didn't deserve being ranked among the all-time greats. He wasn't the kind of guy who would accept anything that wasn't 100% earned on merit.
And you know that, how??? Once in awhile you have to look beyond numbers like you base everything on, and have some compassion for the integrity of a player's life and in this case his untimely death. To summarize this, take your Munson "numbers" and shove them, he was honored with a retired number and plaque for other reasons.
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Try to think of him as if he'd lived and continued on the downward slide he'd already embarked upon. He'd have finished his career a few years later, averaging even fewer HRs and RBIs per season with a lifetime BA somewhere in the .270s. He wasn't killed in action fighting for his country; he was killed by his own hubris, trying to fly an airplane that was too much aircraft for his limited piloting skills. It was a shame for his family but that's the way it was.
You do remember what happened to Billy Batts, don't you?
gees you are a disrespecting piece , aren't you ? I admit that I can understand some people's agruements against retiring Munson's number. But, you are a disrespecting kid. If Munson had NOT been killed in that plane crash, he would have clearly kept producing at the rate that he did at least for 3-4 more years. Give it up Stewie, you won't win this one ( about Munson) with most of the posters here.
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What's your problem? Go ahead, tell me where I lied. You can't, because every word is true. If the truth upsets you that's not my problem. Get the facts before you mouth off. He was practicing touch-and-go landings in an airplane even he admiited was too much aircraft for him to handle. He was going to sell it for that very reason. His 2 passengers just escaped burning in that wreck with just seconds to spare, no thanks to Munson. Again, I'm sorry if that disturbs the mythology you've greated around the man, but that's the truth.
www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/mun...
Stewie, open mouth , insert foot 
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