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Question for you regarding Arod.
8 years ago  ::  Jan 29, 2015 - 2:03PM #61
GottaGoToMo
Posts: 84,970

Jan 29, 2015 -- 1:55PM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


Jan 29, 2015 -- 12:05PM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Jan 29, 2015 -- 11:56AM, bomberhojoe wrote:


Jan 29, 2015 -- 11:22AM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


I understand ... just think we don't know all the pieces to the man ... and what causes him to do such questionable things ... so I don't want to judge him personally as far as every little thing he did in life ... but I hate the cheating ... and he was well advised not to cheat, but chose to do it anyway ... but as far as his cheating on his wife, I heard somewhere that she was cheating on him also ... some of these people with so much money do a lot of things you and I would not do.




Mo, I am not saying whether he or his wife were at fault, or both.  I think of the public nature of his "indiscretion" and the effect on his kids.  But you are right, to lump his marital cheating in with this might be getting a bit too critical.  I had the same argument downstairs once, about Bill Clinton and how I couldn't vote for someone who couldn't even be trusted by his wife.  They said, they could separate the man from the candidate.




It's really hard ... separating the man from the player ... and indeed in separating a man from the candidate ... I think it might be even harder in the latter ... because to me integrity is much more important when someone is going to be President, than when someone is hitting a baseball.


Getting back to A-Rod ... he's an embarrassment to have in pinstripes at this point ... and I so wish we didn't have to deal with the circus that is going to be around when he is around ... I'm so for them paying him to stay away ... I'm wondering if they are trying first to get from underneath those special bonuses for hitting homeruns ... if they can get away from paying those, then maybe they would have a better shot at just paying him to stay away. 




Paying him to stay away is not an option.  They can pay him and leave him on the bench or they can pay and DFA him so he could go and negotiate new terms with a rival.  No team can pay a guy to stay home.




I meant DFA ... I don't believe any other team would be crazy enough to sign him.

8 years ago  ::  Jan 29, 2015 - 2:14PM #62
Stewie
Posts: 2,450

Boston would.

8 years ago  ::  Jan 29, 2015 - 2:22PM #63
GottaGoToMo
Posts: 84,970

Could there be a happy-enough ending to A-Rod’s career?



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Alex Rodriguez


This morning’s Pinch Hitter post shouldn’t be asking for too much, but it might be the least likely scenario in this whole Alex Rodriguez mess.


A sincere and believable apology? True and total forgiveness? Any sort of happy ending for Rodriguez, the Yankees, and the game of baseball? It’s a nice wish, and perhaps a worthwhile prayer, but aren’t we past that already?


If you’re looking for sincerity and hope, I would point to the words Dennis wrote: “I speak of something very real. This ‘real’ needs to play out. A-Rod can step up to the plate and do something great. He can be very sorry.”


There’s sincere hope there, but I wonder if it’s misplaced. Rodriguez is probably sorry, and I’m sure he’s filled with regret. I bet it even goes beyond the surface level, that he’s not simply sorry he got caught. Surely Rodriguez can look back on his teenaged talent, recognize his potential to be truly great, and realize that his own lies and shortcuts have ruined his legacy. Blame Sports Illustrated or Bud Selig or baseball culture all you want — Rodriguez’s fall from grace started with his own decisions.


And I honestly think baseball wants to forgive. Andy Pettitte’s steroid admission is barely a footnote in his career. Jason Giambi is beloved and even respected in the game. Mark McGwire is a hitting coach. Nelson Cruz, Jhonny Peralta and Melky Cabrera have each landed lucrative contracts after PED suspensions.


But is there any hope of Rodriguez following that path? At this point, he’s drifted so far off course so many times, I’m not sure he could find the path. Instead of sincerity and forgiveness, perhaps this is a more realistic hope for these next three years of A-Rod.


Alex Rodriguez1. An open discussion
Of course Rodriguez needs to apologize. Of course he needs to promise he’ll never do it again. Those statements are a a given, even if they’re ultimately meaningless and easy to ignore after all the times we’ve heard it before. What’s more important is that Rodriguez really talks about what happened. Perhaps there are legal reasons he can’t give all the details, but he can’t hide behind the law completely. Whatever questions he doesn’t answer in that inevitable spring training press conference will only be asked again and again throughout the season. Make this whole thing a little less scandalous by making it all a part of the public record.


2. A financial compromise
A contract is a contract, and the Yankees signed a bad one. They know it, we know it, and even Rodriguez must know it. The fact the Yankees haven’t gotten out of that contract already is proof enough that they’re locked in for the next three years. They might release him, but they’re still going to pay him. Where there might be middle ground is in those home run bonuses. The players’ union should back A-Rod if the Yankees refuse to pay them — it’s in the best interest of the union that contracts pay at the highest level — but the Yankees would have full public support if they were to find a way out of it. What if Rodriguez announces that every home run bonus will go to charity? What if Major League Baseball decides that a marketing clause isn’t part of a standard contract anyway, and these particular bonuses won’t count toward the luxury tax (probably a reach, but maybe not)? If there’s a way to avoid another fight, that’s a positive for everyone involved.


3. A willing No. 8 hitter
Give Rodriguez credit for this much: When Joe Girardi benched him and pinch hit for him back in 2012, Rodriguez handled it the best way possible. He didn’t complain. Didn’t duck questions. Didn’t throw Girardi under the bus or whisper negative comments about Raul Ibanez. If Girardi decides Rodriguez is little more than a platoon designated hitter, Rodriguez needs to do the same this season. He can — and should — make it clear that he’s working to be an everyday third baseman again, but he has to be nothing but supportive if and when he’s less than that. If he’s on the bench on Opening Day and batting eighth in his first start, he has to explain that he’s had a year off and is still working hard to get up to speed. If he’s better than that, great. If not, Rodriguez can’t make it even more of a story that it will be anyway.


4. A model employee (with quiet bosses)
It was in January of 2013 that news of Biogenesis first broke, and in the months that followed, Rodriguez seemed to do whatever he could to make the situation worse. He sued baseball, sued the Yankees’ doctor, claimed mistreatment, gave brutal public comments, and separated himself so significantly that Brian Cashman once admitted he wasn’t comfortable talking to his most highly paid player. It’s remarkable that Rodriguez didn’t burn every bridge in baseball that year, but here he is, still moving forward, so some bridges must still be intact. If he starts burning bridges again in 2015, he’ll truly end up on an island with no way home. But that has to go both ways. If Rodriguez is playing nice, the Yankees and Major League Baseball have to do the same. They don’t have to like one another, but if they’re going to be stuck together with some desire to make this work, they have to at least nod politely and say hello in the hallway.


5. A good enough player
This isn’t really a decision, but it might be crucial to keeping this whole thing from falling apart. Rodriguez needs to be a major-league-caliber player. He doesn’t have to be great. Doesn’t have to hit cleanup. Doesn’t have to play third base. But Rodriguez needs to play some sort of role for at least a couple of years. If not, he’s heading for a new sort of tension. It just seems too much to ask that the Yankees and Rodriguez continue to play nice while the team clearly has no reason to keep him on its roster, and we’ve seen the way Rodriguez reacts when things get desperate. Baseball’s best hope for a peaceful resolution is that Rodriguez plays well enough, provide some productive at-bats, makes no fuss about his role, and finally walks away without another fight or another scandal.


Forgiveness? Sincerity? Maybe not. Rodriguez’s career should have ended with an epic celebration throughout baseball, but at this point, the best hope might be that it ends with a peaceful handshake and a quiet walk into retirement.


8 years ago  ::  Jan 29, 2015 - 2:25PM #64
luvdayanks
Posts: 31,505

Jan 29, 2015 -- 2:14PM, Stewie wrote:


Boston would.





I don't think Boston is that dumb.

8 years ago  ::  Jan 29, 2015 - 2:29PM #65
GottaGoToMo
Posts: 84,970

Dumb and Dumber!


8 years ago  ::  Jan 29, 2015 - 2:54PM #66
louisiana_lightning
Posts: 22,406

Jan 29, 2015 -- 2:03PM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Jan 29, 2015 -- 1:55PM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


Jan 29, 2015 -- 12:05PM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Jan 29, 2015 -- 11:56AM, bomberhojoe wrote:


Jan 29, 2015 -- 11:22AM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


I understand ... just think we don't know all the pieces to the man ... and what causes him to do such questionable things ... so I don't want to judge him personally as far as every little thing he did in life ... but I hate the cheating ... and he was well advised not to cheat, but chose to do it anyway ... but as far as his cheating on his wife, I heard somewhere that she was cheating on him also ... some of these people with so much money do a lot of things you and I would not do.




Mo, I am not saying whether he or his wife were at fault, or both.  I think of the public nature of his "indiscretion" and the effect on his kids.  But you are right, to lump his marital cheating in with this might be getting a bit too critical.  I had the same argument downstairs once, about Bill Clinton and how I couldn't vote for someone who couldn't even be trusted by his wife.  They said, they could separate the man from the candidate.




It's really hard ... separating the man from the player ... and indeed in separating a man from the candidate ... I think it might be even harder in the latter ... because to me integrity is much more important when someone is going to be President, than when someone is hitting a baseball.


Getting back to A-Rod ... he's an embarrassment to have in pinstripes at this point ... and I so wish we didn't have to deal with the circus that is going to be around when he is around ... I'm so for them paying him to stay away ... I'm wondering if they are trying first to get from underneath those special bonuses for hitting homeruns ... if they can get away from paying those, then maybe they would have a better shot at just paying him to stay away. 




Paying him to stay away is not an option.  They can pay him and leave him on the bench or they can pay and DFA him so he could go and negotiate new terms with a rival.  No team can pay a guy to stay home.




I meant DFA ... I don't believe any other team would be crazy enough to sign him.




I am certain someone would, most of the ill will would go away as soon as he is off the Yankees.  We would be treated to sacrine sweet stories of redemption all year and how it's a game again for him.


Taking off the pinstripes would go a long way toward rehabilitating his image.  Especially with ESPN and the New York Times.  Everything would be viewed in a whole new light.

8 years ago  ::  Jan 29, 2015 - 3:08PM #67
GottaGoToMo
Posts: 84,970

Jan 29, 2015 -- 2:54PM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


Jan 29, 2015 -- 2:03PM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Jan 29, 2015 -- 1:55PM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


Jan 29, 2015 -- 12:05PM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Jan 29, 2015 -- 11:56AM, bomberhojoe wrote:


Jan 29, 2015 -- 11:22AM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


I understand ... just think we don't know all the pieces to the man ... and what causes him to do such questionable things ... so I don't want to judge him personally as far as every little thing he did in life ... but I hate the cheating ... and he was well advised not to cheat, but chose to do it anyway ... but as far as his cheating on his wife, I heard somewhere that she was cheating on him also ... some of these people with so much money do a lot of things you and I would not do.




Mo, I am not saying whether he or his wife were at fault, or both.  I think of the public nature of his "indiscretion" and the effect on his kids.  But you are right, to lump his marital cheating in with this might be getting a bit too critical.  I had the same argument downstairs once, about Bill Clinton and how I couldn't vote for someone who couldn't even be trusted by his wife.  They said, they could separate the man from the candidate.




It's really hard ... separating the man from the player ... and indeed in separating a man from the candidate ... I think it might be even harder in the latter ... because to me integrity is much more important when someone is going to be President, than when someone is hitting a baseball.


Getting back to A-Rod ... he's an embarrassment to have in pinstripes at this point ... and I so wish we didn't have to deal with the circus that is going to be around when he is around ... I'm so for them paying him to stay away ... I'm wondering if they are trying first to get from underneath those special bonuses for hitting homeruns ... if they can get away from paying those, then maybe they would have a better shot at just paying him to stay away. 




Paying him to stay away is not an option.  They can pay him and leave him on the bench or they can pay and DFA him so he could go and negotiate new terms with a rival.  No team can pay a guy to stay home.




I meant DFA ... I don't believe any other team would be crazy enough to sign him.




I am certain someone would, most of the ill will would go away as soon as he is off the Yankees.  We would be treated to sacrine sweet stories of redemption all year and how it's a game again for him.


Taking off the pinstripes would go a long way toward rehabilitating his image.  Especially with ESPN and the New York Times.  Everything would be viewed in a whole new light.




I don't think so ... I don't think there is a team stupid enough to want to take on that huge of a media challenge.

8 years ago  ::  Jan 31, 2015 - 5:46AM #68
doubleplay643
Posts: 6,115

I can see a team like the Rays and the Marlins signing a guy like A-Rod just to sell tickets. Media can careless over there. Not saying it would actually happen but doubt A-Rod will be thought of as he would in NY. 

8 years ago  ::  Jan 31, 2015 - 7:24AM #69
louisiana_lightning
Posts: 22,406

Jan 31, 2015 -- 5:46AM, doubleplay643 wrote:


I can see a team like the Rays and the Marlins signing a guy like A-Rod just to sell tickets. Media can careless over there. Not saying it would actually happen but doubt A-Rod will be thought of as he would in NY. 




Think about Melky and Braun, then think about not only what they did but how they tried to cover it up.  They will both be forgiven and heroes again if they perform.  That would not be the case with the Yankees.  It would with the Mets though...

8 years ago  ::  Jan 31, 2015 - 8:40AM #70
yankeeoldfan
Posts: 12,741

Jan 31, 2015 -- 7:24AM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


Jan 31, 2015 -- 5:46AM, doubleplay643 wrote:


I can see a team like the Rays and the Marlins signing a guy like A-Rod just to sell tickets. Media can careless over there. Not saying it would actually happen but doubt A-Rod will be thought of as he would in NY. 




Think about Melky and Braun, then think about not only what they did but how they tried to cover it up.  They will both be forgiven and heroes again if they perform.  That would not be the case with the Yankees.  It would with the Mets though...




Lets look at it this way, if A-Rod can play at the major league level, right now I think that's a big question, if so, some team would take him and be glad to let the Yankees pay his salary.. Lets face it, that's just another way for some of these teams who dislike us to say, how do you like this Yankees ?? Still the question is A-Rod's body/talents up to major league standards ?? If so he'll be playing for the Yankees.. If not they will try to collect on some kind of insurance..

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