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8 years ago  ::  Jul 05, 2015 - 12:49AM #31
davis2
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Jul 4, 2015 -- 12:09PM, 61in61 wrote:


Jul 4, 2015 -- 12:00PM, qwik3457 wrote:


Jul 4, 2015 -- 11:55AM, 61in61 wrote:


Well, you don't rebuild in mid july when you are in a pennant race. Any acquistion now would be a short term fix for this year and maybe next. I'm calling it the Dave Justice Effect.




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8 years ago  ::  Jul 05, 2015 - 12:53AM #32
davis2
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Jul 4, 2015 -- 6:07PM, RobS44 wrote:


Jul 4, 2015 -- 11:38AM, qwik3457 wrote:


As near as I can figure, based on last year's Major League Equivalencies from Baseball HQ, Refsnyder's .277/.372/.382 line translates to a major league line of .250/.315/.308 (Compare to: Kyle Roller's BAVG and OBA in 2014, and Corban Jospeh's SLG from 2014)


That's Didi-level hitting, and weak defense to boot.


On the other hand, Refsnyder's own equivalency line from 2014 was .279/.335/.429, which would be more than acceptable, and a huge lift, offensively, over what Drew has done so far.


So...I dunno. Is he depressed about not being called up yet, or have the experienced AAA pitchers figured him out? I dunno.




Maybe they should just call him up so we can all move on.  Chances he will hit for a soimewhat higher average than Drew but with less to no power and make a couple of critical errors.  If they do it now they have 3 weeks to figure out if they need to go for a trade.



Cashman has already said that Refsnyder's defense is not MLB ready. Why can't people understand that?  He will not call him up. Why else would they put up with Drew's historic offense? ( well...other than the blackmail)

8 years ago  ::  Jul 05, 2015 - 12:55AM #33
davis2
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Jul 4, 2015 -- 8:23PM, YankeeBoy wrote:


Jul 2, 2015 -- 6:31PM, nystripes2 wrote:

Eovaldi has been pretty good outside of 2 starts




I agree, I was intially disappointed in the trade, but he gives us innings and I think right now we got better of the deal



I think Evo was a project. They never believed this team would be around 1st place.

8 years ago  ::  Jul 05, 2015 - 9:25AM #34
nc01
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Jul 5, 2015 -- 12:55AM, davis2 wrote:


Jul 4, 2015 -- 8:23PM, YankeeBoy wrote:


Jul 2, 2015 -- 6:31PM, nystripes2 wrote:

Eovaldi has been pretty good outside of 2 starts




I agree, I was intially disappointed in the trade, but he gives us innings and I think right now we got better of the deal



I think Evo was a project. They never believed this team would be around 1st place.





I agree Davis. I think that they thought the Yanks would be like Boston, last place about 10 games out.


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8 years ago  ::  Jul 05, 2015 - 11:39AM #35
Paterson
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Jul 4, 2015 -- 12:00PM, qwik3457 wrote:


Jul 4, 2015 -- 11:55AM, 61in61 wrote:


Well, you don't rebuild in mid july when you are in a pennant race. Any acquistion now would be a short term fix for this year and maybe next. I'm calling it the Dave Justice Effect.




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  I don't want to come off sounding like a jerk...but there is a July every year. And in the age of parity ball with an extra round of playoffs, everyone is in the middle of a pennant race every year. As an example, I ask you, Is Boston really out of it ? This is going to happen each and every year and each and every year we are going to take on bad contracts or give away future chips for short term fixes.  

8 years ago  ::  Jul 05, 2015 - 12:37PM #36
qwik3457
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Jul 5, 2015 -- 11:39AM, Paterson wrote:


Jul 4, 2015 -- 12:00PM, qwik3457 wrote:


Jul 4, 2015 -- 11:55AM, 61in61 wrote:


Well, you don't rebuild in mid july when you are in a pennant race. Any acquistion now would be a short term fix for this year and maybe next. I'm calling it the Dave Justice Effect.




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  I don't want to come off sounding like a jerk...but there is a July every year. And in the age of parity ball with an extra round of playoffs, everyone is in the middle of a pennant race every year. As an example, I ask you, Is Boston really out of it ? This is going to happen each and every year and each and every year we are going to take on bad contracts or give away future chips for short term fixes.  




But that's been the Yankee way for a long time now. They never concede a season. And those deals do cost them long term. Do they prevent them from building another dynasty? I dunno, but I'll say this: there are many franchises who build and build and build and concede and trade veterans for prospects that never win even one title.

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8 years ago  ::  Jul 05, 2015 - 1:35PM #37
Paterson
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Jul 5, 2015 -- 12:37PM, qwik3457 wrote:


Jul 5, 2015 -- 11:39AM, Paterson wrote:


Jul 4, 2015 -- 12:00PM, qwik3457 wrote:


Jul 4, 2015 -- 11:55AM, 61in61 wrote:


Well, you don't rebuild in mid july when you are in a pennant race. Any acquistion now would be a short term fix for this year and maybe next. I'm calling it the Dave Justice Effect.




Finger on the Pulse Reply of the Thread Award Winner.





  I don't want to come off sounding like a jerk...but there is a July every year. And in the age of parity ball with an extra round of playoffs, everyone is in the middle of a pennant race every year. As an example, I ask you, Is Boston really out of it ? This is going to happen each and every year and each and every year we are going to take on bad contracts or give away future chips for short term fixes.  




But that's been the Yankee way for a long time now. They never concede a season. And those deals do cost them long term. Do they prevent them from building another dynasty? I dunno, but I'll say this: there are many franchises who build and build and build and concede and trade veterans for prospects that never win even one title.




   It is the Yankee way...but the enviornment is changed. The "old" Yankee would signed Scherzer or Lester...or at least Moncada. Ownership sees it differently today and it is time to adapt. Taking on a bad contract now might really limit the future.


   In large part I am arguing for giving home growns a shot. I think the Yankee fan suffers from liking other guys talents more than his own. Look at the numbers put up by Headley and Solarte this year...the biggest difference might be the salary. 

8 years ago  ::  Jul 05, 2015 - 5:16PM #38
bruner4329
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Jul 5, 2015 -- 12:53AM, davis2 wrote:


Jul 4, 2015 -- 6:07PM, RobS44 wrote:


Jul 4, 2015 -- 11:38AM, qwik3457 wrote:


As near as I can figure, based on last year's Major League Equivalencies from Baseball HQ, Refsnyder's .277/.372/.382 line translates to a major league line of .250/.315/.308 (Compare to: Kyle Roller's BAVG and OBA in 2014, and Corban Jospeh's SLG from 2014)


That's Didi-level hitting, and weak defense to boot.


On the other hand, Refsnyder's own equivalency line from 2014 was .279/.335/.429, which would be more than acceptable, and a huge lift, offensively, over what Drew has done so far.


So...I dunno. Is he depressed about not being called up yet, or have the experienced AAA pitchers figured him out? I dunno.




Maybe they should just call him up so we can all move on.  Chances he will hit for a soimewhat higher average than Drew but with less to no power and make a couple of critical errors.  If they do it now they have 3 weeks to figure out if they need to go for a trade.



Cashman has already said that Refsnyder's defense is not MLB ready. Why can't people understand that?  He will not call him up. Why else would they put up with Drew's historic offense? ( well...other than the blackmail)




Will it ever be ML ready? And how long can this team survive with Drew/Pirella combo at 2B? Drew is on a 1-22 streak and Pirella is 0-13, That is a combined 1-35 from our second basemen in the last 10 games or so.


So we are worried about a guy's defense being ML ready and we have 2 guys playing here that are not ML caliber players.

8 years ago  ::  Jul 05, 2015 - 11:37PM #39
davis2
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Jul 5, 2015 -- 5:16PM, bruner4329 wrote:


Jul 5, 2015 -- 12:53AM, davis2 wrote:


Jul 4, 2015 -- 6:07PM, RobS44 wrote:


Jul 4, 2015 -- 11:38AM, qwik3457 wrote:


As near as I can figure, based on last year's Major League Equivalencies from Baseball HQ, Refsnyder's .277/.372/.382 line translates to a major league line of .250/.315/.308 (Compare to: Kyle Roller's BAVG and OBA in 2014, and Corban Jospeh's SLG from 2014)


That's Didi-level hitting, and weak defense to boot.


On the other hand, Refsnyder's own equivalency line from 2014 was .279/.335/.429, which would be more than acceptable, and a huge lift, offensively, over what Drew has done so far.


So...I dunno. Is he depressed about not being called up yet, or have the experienced AAA pitchers figured him out? I dunno.




Maybe they should just call him up so we can all move on.  Chances he will hit for a soimewhat higher average than Drew but with less to no power and make a couple of critical errors.  If they do it now they have 3 weeks to figure out if they need to go for a trade.



Cashman has already said that Refsnyder's defense is not MLB ready. Why can't people understand that?  He will not call him up. Why else would they put up with Drew's historic offense? ( well...other than the blackmail)




Will it ever be ML ready? And how long can this team survive with Drew/Pirella combo at 2B? Drew is on a 1-22 streak and Pirella is 0-13, That is a combined 1-35 from our second basemen in the last 10 games or so.


So we are worried about a guy's defense being ML ready and we have 2 guys playing here that are not ML caliber players.



If they put Pirela in there for a month, and he still isn't hitting, I'd agree 100%. Drew has gotten way too much of a chance. He has proven that he sucks!

8 years ago  ::  Jul 06, 2015 - 3:57PM #40
61in61
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Jul 3, 2015 -- 6:13PM, qwik3457 wrote:


Jul 3, 2015 -- 6:13PM, theBaron wrote:


Jul 2, 2015 -- 5:54PM, Bats wrote:


Jul 2, 2015 -- 5:22PM, theBaron wrote:


Jul 2, 2015 -- 2:51PM, wolfman1 wrote:

Florida is not going anywhere. Can the Yankees make a play and try to get Prado to play 2nd base. It has been a glaring HOLE all year long. Plus the guy is a clutch hitter. I am sure Florida would take prospects for him.



if Cashman didnt trade him ..he would be playing 2b ...i'll bet he would take that trade back ...




No, why would you think that? Right now the Yankees are winning that trade.


Right now, Eovaldi is 8-2 with a 4.58 ERA


If you take out 2 of his worst games (Miami and Washington) his ERA would be 3.37


Well mr Bats ..you have your opinion and i have mine ..my point was Cashman did not get a Verlander type , so i think most people here didnt know who Eovaldi was anyway ...i suppose you follow the Marlins ? the reports all had the Yankees in on Samardja (spell ck ) ...


Again,...


3.37 ERA


It's Miami, who would want to have that trade back.









Well said.




Not necessarily. Don't forget Phelps was part of that trade. If you took out his worst 2 starts he would have a 2.82 ERA, nearly a 1/2 run better than Eovaldi best case. Prado is also hitting .272, which would be a huge upgrade over Drew. So which combination would have the most impact on this year's pennant race, Eovaldi/Jones or Phelps/Prado?

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