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8 years ago  ::  Jul 07, 2015 - 12:12AM #41
go4broke
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Jul 6, 2015 -- 3:57PM, 61in61 wrote:


Jul 3, 2015 -- 6:13PM, qwik3457 wrote:


Jul 3, 2015 -- 6:13PM, theBaron wrote:


Jul 2, 2015 -- 5:54PM, Bats wrote:


Jul 2, 2015 -- 5:22PM, theBaron wrote:


Jul 2, 2015 -- 2:51PM, wolfman1 wrote:

Florida is not going anywhere. Can the Yankees make a play and try to get Prado to play 2nd base. It has been a glaring HOLE all year long. Plus the guy is a clutch hitter. I am sure Florida would take prospects for him.



if Cashman didnt trade him ..he would be playing 2b ...i'll bet he would take that trade back ...




No, why would you think that? Right now the Yankees are winning that trade.


Right now, Eovaldi is 8-2 with a 4.58 ERA


If you take out 2 of his worst games (Miami and Washington) his ERA would be 3.37


Well mr Bats ..you have your opinion and i have mine ..my point was Cashman did not get a Verlander type , so i think most people here didnt know who Eovaldi was anyway ...i suppose you follow the Marlins ? the reports all had the Yankees in on Samardja (spell ck ) ...


Again,...


3.37 ERA


It's Miami, who would want to have that trade back.









Well said.




Not necessarily. Don't forget Phelps was part of that trade. If you took out his worst 2 starts he would have a 2.82 ERA, nearly a 1/2 run better than Eovaldi best case. Prado is also hitting .272, which would be a huge upgrade over Drew. So which combination would have the most impact on this year's pennant race, Eovaldi/Jones or Phelps/Prado?




You cant claim the Yankees would be better with Prado instead of Drew and then leave him out of your question about the trades impact.


If the Yankees kept Prado and Phelps they would not have Drew, Jones or Eovaldi Right? Well Phelps is 4 - 4 with a 4.03 E.R.A. and was recently moved out of the rotation. The Marlins are 6 - 11 in games he has appeared in. Prado is on the D.L. but was hitting .272 with 4 H.r.s and 24 R.B.I.s.


Now for The Yankees due to the trade they went and got Drew who is hitting a ridiculous .179 but with 11 H.R.s and 24 R.B.I.s.


They Got Eovaldi who is 8 - 2 with a 4.52 E.R.A. and the Yankees are 10 - 6 in his games. The Yankees also have Jones who is hitting .229 in very limited duty but he has 5 H.R.s and 14 R.B.I.s.


So Pitching wise we got a 3 year younger much higher upside pitcher for Phelps who he is drastically outperforming already.


As far as losing Prado as the second baseman the Yankees got Drew to take his place and as poor as his average is he is at least as productive as Prado has been when it comes to scoring and driving in runs and far more productive powerwise but they also have Jones. So the replacement for Prado at second plus the hitter who came over in the trade are responsible for 16 H.R.s and 38 R.B.I.s


All in all I doubt the Yankees regret this trade for a second and never will.

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8 years ago  ::  Jul 07, 2015 - 1:47PM #42
61in61
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Jul 7, 2015 -- 12:12AM, go4broke wrote:


Jul 6, 2015 -- 3:57PM, 61in61 wrote:


Jul 3, 2015 -- 6:13PM, qwik3457 wrote:


Jul 3, 2015 -- 6:13PM, theBaron wrote:


Jul 2, 2015 -- 5:54PM, Bats wrote:


Jul 2, 2015 -- 5:22PM, theBaron wrote:


Jul 2, 2015 -- 2:51PM, wolfman1 wrote:

Florida is not going anywhere. Can the Yankees make a play and try to get Prado to play 2nd base. It has been a glaring HOLE all year long. Plus the guy is a clutch hitter. I am sure Florida would take prospects for him.



if Cashman didnt trade him ..he would be playing 2b ...i'll bet he would take that trade back ...




No, why would you think that? Right now the Yankees are winning that trade.


Right now, Eovaldi is 8-2 with a 4.58 ERA


If you take out 2 of his worst games (Miami and Washington) his ERA would be 3.37


Well mr Bats ..you have your opinion and i have mine ..my point was Cashman did not get a Verlander type , so i think most people here didnt know who Eovaldi was anyway ...i suppose you follow the Marlins ? the reports all had the Yankees in on Samardja (spell ck ) ...


Again,...


3.37 ERA


It's Miami, who would want to have that trade back.









Well said.




Not necessarily. Don't forget Phelps was part of that trade. If you took out his worst 2 starts he would have a 2.82 ERA, nearly a 1/2 run better than Eovaldi best case. Prado is also hitting .272, which would be a huge upgrade over Drew. So which combination would have the most impact on this year's pennant race, Eovaldi/Jones or Phelps/Prado?




You cant claim the Yankees would be better with Prado instead of Drew and then leave him out of your question about the trades impact.


If the Yankees kept Prado and Phelps they would not have Drew, Jones or Eovaldi Right? Well Phelps is 4 - 4 with a 4.03 E.R.A. and was recently moved out of the rotation. The Marlins are 6 - 11 in games he has appeared in. Prado is on the D.L. but was hitting .272 with 4 H.r.s and 24 R.B.I.s.


Now for The Yankees due to the trade they went and got Drew who is hitting a ridiculous .179 but with 11 H.R.s and 24 R.B.I.s.


They Got Eovaldi who is 8 - 2 with a 4.52 E.R.A. and the Yankees are 10 - 6 in his games. The Yankees also have Jones who is hitting .229 in very limited duty but he has 5 H.R.s and 14 R.B.I.s.


So Pitching wise we got a 3 year younger much higher upside pitcher for Phelps who he is drastically outperforming already.


As far as losing Prado as the second baseman the Yankees got Drew to take his place and as poor as his average is he is at least as productive as Prado has been when it comes to scoring and driving in runs and far more productive powerwise but they also have Jones. So the replacement for Prado at second plus the hitter who came over in the trade are responsible for 16 H.R.s and 38 R.B.I.s


All in all I doubt the Yankees regret this trade for a second and never will.




How can you say that Eovaldi is "drastically outperforming" Phelps when I showed you that Phelps has a better ERA by 1/2 run? The fact that the Yanks are winning more games with Eovaldi than the Marlins are with Phelps only goes to the relative merits of each team. Eovaldi still ranks dead last in BA, He also ranks next to last in WHIP. He's also dead last in hits/9. Is Eovaldi the better pitcher? Probably, if he can be fixed. Would I rather have him than Phelps? Probably. Giving up Prado is what skews the deal in favor of Miami.


As for Jones, except for a little power he's nothing special. He's barely adequate in the OF and on 1B. He probably could have been had for a couple of B level prospects. I'm pretty sure the Yanks could have picked up a backup for Tex that would have done as well.


Prado has the same number of rbi's as Drew and he's playing on a crappy Marlins team. Prado averages about 70 rbi's a season, Drew won't come close to that.

8 years ago  ::  Jul 07, 2015 - 3:15PM #43
RobS44
Posts: 5,608


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You cant claim the Yankees would be better with Prado instead of Drew and then leave him out of your question about the trades impact.


If the Yankees kept Prado and Phelps they would not have Drew, Jones or Eovaldi Right? Well Phelps is 4 - 4 with a 4.03 E.R.A. and was recently moved out of the rotation. The Marlins are 6 - 11 in games he has appeared in. Prado is on the D.L. but was hitting .272 with 4 H.r.s and 24 R.B.I.s.


Now for The Yankees due to the trade they went and got Drew who is hitting a ridiculous .179 but with 11 H.R.s and 24 R.B.I.s.


They Got Eovaldi who is 8 - 2 with a 4.52 E.R.A. and the Yankees are 10 - 6 in his games. The Yankees also have Jones who is hitting .229 in very limited duty but he has 5 H.R.s and 14 R.B.I.s.


So Pitching wise we got a 3 year younger much higher upside pitcher for Phelps who he is drastically outperforming already.


As far as losing Prado as the second baseman the Yankees got Drew to take his place and as poor as his average is he is at least as productive as Prado has been when it comes to scoring and driving in runs and far more productive powerwise but they also have Jones. So the replacement for Prado at second plus the hitter who came over in the trade are responsible for 16 H.R.s and 38 R.B.I.s


All in all I doubt the Yankees regret this trade for a second and never will.


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How can you say that Eovaldi is "drastically outperforming" Phelps when I showed you that Phelps has a better ERA by 1/2 run? The fact that the Yanks are winning more games with Eovaldi than the Marlins are with Phelps only goes to the relative merits of each team. Eovaldi still ranks dead last in BA, He also ranks next to last in WHIP. He's also dead last in hits/9. Is Eovaldi the better pitcher? Probably, if he can be fixed. Would I rather have him than Phelps? Probably. Giving up Prado is what skews the deal in favor of Miami.


As for Jones, except for a little power he's nothing special. He's barely adequate in the OF and on 1B. He probably could have been had for a couple of B level prospects. I'm pretty sure the Yanks could have picked up a backup for Tex that would have done as well.


Prado has the same number of rbi's as Drew and he's playing on a crappy Marlins team. Prado averages about 70 rbi's a season, Drew won't come close to that.


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In a vaccuum the Yanks would clearly be better off with Prado instead of Drew.  but the trade didn't happen in a vaccuum.  I think they saw Phelps's ceiling as a #5-#6 starter adn bullpen long man.  Though his "stuff" is better Eovaldi's results have yet to separate him from Phelps, but I think the Yanks see a potentially higher ceiling for him.

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