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7 years ago  ::  Sep 20, 2015 - 4:57PM #21
BW26
Posts: 7,662

Sep 18, 2015 -- 10:23PM, canoera wrote:

Why pull Tanaka with just 82 pitches and a 1 run deficit?

Who do we have in the  BP besides Betances and Miller to hold it close? Shreve and 'Bozos' did the predictable. 

Continue playing Ryan and Drew comedy series. Hal can fill the legend seats with soccer moms to cheer lead.

See a sweep by Mets followed by the Jays. Then the fat lady can pull down the curtains. 



why don't you pull down the curtain? On yourself .



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7 years ago  ::  Sep 21, 2015 - 7:42AM #22
nc01
Posts: 2,266

Sep 20, 2015 -- 4:51PM, qwik3457 wrote:


Sep 20, 2015 -- 8:42AM, nc01 wrote:


Sep 19, 2015 -- 1:09PM, qwik3457 wrote:


Sep 19, 2015 -- 8:50AM, nc01 wrote:


Sep 18, 2015 -- 11:28PM, qwik3457 wrote:


Sep 18, 2015 -- 10:23PM, canoera wrote:

Why pull Tanaka with just 82 pitches and a 1 run deficit?

Who do we have in the  BP besides Betances and Miller to hold it close? Shreve and 'Bozos' did the predictable. 

Continue playing Ryan and Drew comedy series. Hal can fill the legend seats with soccer moms to cheer lead.

See a sweep by Mets followed by the Jays. Then the fat lady can pull down the curtains. 



Umm, pinch-hitting for Tanaka is the 7th is a 100% every manager in the world makes that move move.


It's, how can I put this...a no-brainer?


Oh, right.


Never mind.





And not pinch hitting ARod for Ryan in the 6th is a brainer? Yeah right. 100% of every manager EXCEPT Girardi would make that move.


NC...


 



Nah; not really. You PH with A-Rod there, and they pitch around him and walk him. Then you have to pinch hit a lefty vs. Matz, unless you're willing to risk Pirela in that spot. Then if it fails, and remember, pinch-hitters fail 70% of the time, you've pulled your best starter after 58 pitches in a tie game, and turn it over to Shreve an inning earlier.





You have an excuse for everything. How do you know if they walk ARod? Are you a mind reader? Fortune teller?


NC...


 



I'm thinking they'd walk A-Rod because Girardi explicitly said that's why they didn't go to A-Rod in that spot; because the Mets could pitch around him. If they don't pitch around A-Rod, that's a foolish risk. Then Joe would have blown his best pinch-hitter for nothing, and he'd either have to PH for Tanaka with a lefty against Matz, or a lesser righty, a Pirela or Refsnyder.


Joe is also trying to get Tanaka through the 6th and 7th, because he knows his lesser relievers have been struggling, and the Mets have been destroying bad pitching, especially bad relief pitching lately. And the 2 run HR Shreve gave up that more or less put the game away shows why. Tanaka then foils the strategy by giving up the 2nd HR, forcing Joe to PH for him in the 7th.


Excuses? No, just three-dimensional managerial strategy.





And you're full of crap. Girardi can think up an excuse for everything that he does and that doesn't make it logical or a right decision.


NC...


 

7 years ago  ::  Sep 21, 2015 - 11:19AM #23
luvdayanks
Posts: 31,049

Sep 21, 2015 -- 7:42AM, nc01 wrote:


Sep 20, 2015 -- 4:51PM, qwik3457 wrote:


Sep 20, 2015 -- 8:42AM, nc01 wrote:


Sep 19, 2015 -- 1:09PM, qwik3457 wrote:


Sep 19, 2015 -- 8:50AM, nc01 wrote:


Sep 18, 2015 -- 11:28PM, qwik3457 wrote:


Sep 18, 2015 -- 10:23PM, canoera wrote:

Why pull Tanaka with just 82 pitches and a 1 run deficit?

Who do we have in the  BP besides Betances and Miller to hold it close? Shreve and 'Bozos' did the predictable. 

Continue playing Ryan and Drew comedy series. Hal can fill the legend seats with soccer moms to cheer lead.

See a sweep by Mets followed by the Jays. Then the fat lady can pull down the curtains. 



Umm, pinch-hitting for Tanaka is the 7th is a 100% every manager in the world makes that move move.


It's, how can I put this...a no-brainer?


Oh, right.


Never mind.





And not pinch hitting ARod for Ryan in the 6th is a brainer? Yeah right. 100% of every manager EXCEPT Girardi would make that move.


NC...


 



Nah; not really. You PH with A-Rod there, and they pitch around him and walk him. Then you have to pinch hit a lefty vs. Matz, unless you're willing to risk Pirela in that spot. Then if it fails, and remember, pinch-hitters fail 70% of the time, you've pulled your best starter after 58 pitches in a tie game, and turn it over to Shreve an inning earlier.





You have an excuse for everything. How do you know if they walk ARod? Are you a mind reader? Fortune teller?


NC...


 



I'm thinking they'd walk A-Rod because Girardi explicitly said that's why they didn't go to A-Rod in that spot; because the Mets could pitch around him. If they don't pitch around A-Rod, that's a foolish risk. Then Joe would have blown his best pinch-hitter for nothing, and he'd either have to PH for Tanaka with a lefty against Matz, or a lesser righty, a Pirela or Refsnyder.


Joe is also trying to get Tanaka through the 6th and 7th, because he knows his lesser relievers have been struggling, and the Mets have been destroying bad pitching, especially bad relief pitching lately. And the 2 run HR Shreve gave up that more or less put the game away shows why. Tanaka then foils the strategy by giving up the 2nd HR, forcing Joe to PH for him in the 7th.


Excuses? No, just three-dimensional managerial strategy.





And you're full of crap. Girardi can think up an excuse for everything that he does and that doesn't make it logical or a right decision.


NC...


 





What excuses are you refering to? As the poster said, it's three dimensional managing, something some people don't understand.

7 years ago  ::  Sep 21, 2015 - 11:46AM #24
ru4_nyy
Posts: 3,316

Sep 18, 2015 -- 10:23PM, canoera wrote:

Why pull Tanaka with just 82 pitches and a 1 run deficit?

Who do we have in the  BP besides Betances and Miller to hold it close? Shreve and 'Bozos' did the predictable. 

Continue playing Ryan and Drew comedy series. Hal can fill the legend seats with soccer moms to cheer lead.

See a sweep by Mets followed by the Jays. Then the fat lady can pull down the curtains. 




crawl back into your cave



7 years ago  ::  Sep 21, 2015 - 1:30PM #25
nc01
Posts: 2,266

Sep 21, 2015 -- 11:19AM, luvdayanks wrote:


Sep 21, 2015 -- 7:42AM, nc01 wrote:


Sep 20, 2015 -- 4:51PM, qwik3457 wrote:


Sep 20, 2015 -- 8:42AM, nc01 wrote:


Sep 19, 2015 -- 1:09PM, qwik3457 wrote:


Sep 19, 2015 -- 8:50AM, nc01 wrote:


Sep 18, 2015 -- 11:28PM, qwik3457 wrote:


Sep 18, 2015 -- 10:23PM, canoera wrote:

Why pull Tanaka with just 82 pitches and a 1 run deficit?

Who do we have in the  BP besides Betances and Miller to hold it close? Shreve and 'Bozos' did the predictable. 

Continue playing Ryan and Drew comedy series. Hal can fill the legend seats with soccer moms to cheer lead.

See a sweep by Mets followed by the Jays. Then the fat lady can pull down the curtains. 



Umm, pinch-hitting for Tanaka is the 7th is a 100% every manager in the world makes that move move.


It's, how can I put this...a no-brainer?


Oh, right.


Never mind.





And not pinch hitting ARod for Ryan in the 6th is a brainer? Yeah right. 100% of every manager EXCEPT Girardi would make that move.


NC...


 



Nah; not really. You PH with A-Rod there, and they pitch around him and walk him. Then you have to pinch hit a lefty vs. Matz, unless you're willing to risk Pirela in that spot. Then if it fails, and remember, pinch-hitters fail 70% of the time, you've pulled your best starter after 58 pitches in a tie game, and turn it over to Shreve an inning earlier.





You have an excuse for everything. How do you know if they walk ARod? Are you a mind reader? Fortune teller?


NC...


 



I'm thinking they'd walk A-Rod because Girardi explicitly said that's why they didn't go to A-Rod in that spot; because the Mets could pitch around him. If they don't pitch around A-Rod, that's a foolish risk. Then Joe would have blown his best pinch-hitter for nothing, and he'd either have to PH for Tanaka with a lefty against Matz, or a lesser righty, a Pirela or Refsnyder.


Joe is also trying to get Tanaka through the 6th and 7th, because he knows his lesser relievers have been struggling, and the Mets have been destroying bad pitching, especially bad relief pitching lately. And the 2 run HR Shreve gave up that more or less put the game away shows why. Tanaka then foils the strategy by giving up the 2nd HR, forcing Joe to PH for him in the 7th.


Excuses? No, just three-dimensional managerial strategy.





And you're full of crap. Girardi can think up an excuse for everything that he does and that doesn't make it logical or a right decision.


NC...


 





What excuses are you refering to? As the poster said, it's three dimensional managing, something some people don't understand.





The excuse of -- "because the Mets could pitch around him. If they don't pitch around A-Rod, that's a foolish risk."


As for Girardi, I don't think that he can manage one dimensional, less three.


NC...


 

7 years ago  ::  Sep 21, 2015 - 1:35PM #26
Gernb
Posts: 378

Jeezus Canoera, do you EVER post anything positive???? According to you Girardi sucks, the whole team sucks, the stadium sucks, earth sucks, etc... Must be miserable to be you...

7 years ago  ::  Sep 21, 2015 - 1:39PM #27
qwik3457
Posts: 12,548

Sep 21, 2015 -- 7:42AM, nc01 wrote:


And you're full of crap. Girardi can think up an excuse for everything that he does and that doesn't make it logical or a right decision.


NC...




Thanks. Coming from you, that means...


...nothing.

Knowledge is Good -- Emil Faber
7 years ago  ::  Sep 21, 2015 - 1:47PM #28
nc01
Posts: 2,266

Sep 21, 2015 -- 1:39PM, qwik3457 wrote:


Sep 21, 2015 -- 7:42AM, nc01 wrote:


And you're full of crap. Girardi can think up an excuse for everything that he does and that doesn't make it logical or a right decision.


NC...




Thanks. Coming from you, that means...


...nothing.




As is anything that comes from you means -- NOTHING. You just always take the opposite viewpoint.


NC...

7 years ago  ::  Sep 21, 2015 - 1:51PM #29
luvdayanks
Posts: 31,049

Sep 21, 2015 -- 1:30PM, nc01 wrote:


Sep 21, 2015 -- 11:19AM, luvdayanks wrote:


Sep 21, 2015 -- 7:42AM, nc01 wrote:


Sep 20, 2015 -- 4:51PM, qwik3457 wrote:


Sep 20, 2015 -- 8:42AM, nc01 wrote:


Sep 19, 2015 -- 1:09PM, qwik3457 wrote:


Sep 19, 2015 -- 8:50AM, nc01 wrote:


Sep 18, 2015 -- 11:28PM, qwik3457 wrote:


Sep 18, 2015 -- 10:23PM, canoera wrote:

Why pull Tanaka with just 82 pitches and a 1 run deficit?

Who do we have in the  BP besides Betances and Miller to hold it close? Shreve and 'Bozos' did the predictable. 

Continue playing Ryan and Drew comedy series. Hal can fill the legend seats with soccer moms to cheer lead.

See a sweep by Mets followed by the Jays. Then the fat lady can pull down the curtains. 



Umm, pinch-hitting for Tanaka is the 7th is a 100% every manager in the world makes that move move.


It's, how can I put this...a no-brainer?


Oh, right.


Never mind.





And not pinch hitting ARod for Ryan in the 6th is a brainer? Yeah right. 100% of every manager EXCEPT Girardi would make that move.


NC...


 



Nah; not really. You PH with A-Rod there, and they pitch around him and walk him. Then you have to pinch hit a lefty vs. Matz, unless you're willing to risk Pirela in that spot. Then if it fails, and remember, pinch-hitters fail 70% of the time, you've pulled your best starter after 58 pitches in a tie game, and turn it over to Shreve an inning earlier.





You have an excuse for everything. How do you know if they walk ARod? Are you a mind reader? Fortune teller?


NC...


 



I'm thinking they'd walk A-Rod because Girardi explicitly said that's why they didn't go to A-Rod in that spot; because the Mets could pitch around him. If they don't pitch around A-Rod, that's a foolish risk. Then Joe would have blown his best pinch-hitter for nothing, and he'd either have to PH for Tanaka with a lefty against Matz, or a lesser righty, a Pirela or Refsnyder.


Joe is also trying to get Tanaka through the 6th and 7th, because he knows his lesser relievers have been struggling, and the Mets have been destroying bad pitching, especially bad relief pitching lately. And the 2 run HR Shreve gave up that more or less put the game away shows why. Tanaka then foils the strategy by giving up the 2nd HR, forcing Joe to PH for him in the 7th.


Excuses? No, just three-dimensional managerial strategy.





And you're full of crap. Girardi can think up an excuse for everything that he does and that doesn't make it logical or a right decision.


NC...


 





What excuses are you refering to? As the poster said, it's three dimensional managing, something some people don't understand.





The excuse of -- "because the Mets could pitch around him. If they don't pitch around A-Rod, that's a foolish risk."


As for Girardi, I don't think that he can manage one dimensional, less three.


NC...


 





That, once again if it's too difficult to comprehend, is not an excuse it's managing. If you don't think he's a capable manager, who would you replace him with???

7 years ago  ::  Sep 21, 2015 - 1:51PM #30
qwik3457
Posts: 12,548

Sep 21, 2015 -- 1:30PM, nc01 wrote:


The excuse of -- "because the Mets could pitch around him. If they don't pitch around A-Rod, that's a foolish risk."


As for Girardi, I don't think that he can manage one dimensional, less three.


NC...




That's nonsense.


You have A-Rod for maybe one PA each game. If you waste it because the Mets pitch around him, you've blown your best bench asset for nothing.


If they don't pitch around him in that spot in a tie game, they're choosing to pitch to the Yanks best right-handed hitter and choosing not to pitch to a lesser right-hand hitter or choosing not to take a lefty on lefty matchup with the Yankee left-hand hitter who almost certainly has never seen Matz before. In a 1-1 game, that's choosing to give up a substantial advantage, and it's a risk, and it's completely unneccessary, which is what makes it FOOLISH.


One-dimensional managing is looking at the game situation at that moment, and deciding to make the move that, at that moment, is the best for the team. Two-dimensional managing is looking at the game situation at the moment, looking through the possible moves that could be made, and then ALSO considering the possible countermoves that the opposing team could make, and then deciding what to do based on the most likely scenarios. Three-dimensional managing, at least within a single game without consideration of the impact on any further games or the pennant race as a whole, is looking at the current situation, thinking through the possible countermoves, and then looking ahead to see what impact moves made at this moment will have on situations that might come up later in the game.


Girardi chose not to bring A-Rod in that spot because the game was tied (the Yanks were not already behind), because using him there likely causes the Mets to pitch around him or make him hit a bad pitch, because if you pinch hit A-Rod there, and they walk him, then you MUST pinch-hit for Tanaka as well with a lesser hitter, and that forces Girardi to bring his weaker relievers into the game at least an inning or two earlier than he wanted, and because he wanted to hold him in case he needed a big swing later in the game.


Ryan's groundout doesn't refute the strategy. Tanaka allowing the 2nd home run blows up the strategy, because it puts the Yankees behind, and forces the weaker relievers into the game earlier than desired.


That is three-dimensional thinking. If you still don't understand, too bad.

Knowledge is Good -- Emil Faber
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