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7 years ago  ::  Oct 07, 2015 - 12:09PM #31
qwik3457
Posts: 12,549

Oct 7, 2015 -- 12:08PM, laurenfrances wrote:

Anyone have thoughts of trading Nova and making a run for Chen?



Keep Nova for depth. Try and raise his value, then trade him at mid-season.

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7 years ago  ::  Oct 07, 2015 - 12:33PM #32
BW26
Posts: 7,662

Oct 7, 2015 -- 12:11AM, diehardma wrote:



Yanks lost their best run producer and Toronto played at a 125 win pace for a month and a half. There was more to it than just a Yankees collapse.




Can't survive losing a gold glove first baseman who is a power hitter, who was on pace to hit 35-40 hrs  and 100-120 rbis.


Can't survive losing your best pitcher in Eovaldi ( who knew ?)


Can't survive that without Tex, A Rod would collapse


Can't survive  your starters not consistenldly going 6-7 innings, exhausting the bullpen


Can't survive the weaked bullpen once Warren was forced back into the rotation.


Can't survive   the disappearance of  the hitting in the second half. Mostly placing the blame on Ellisbury ( boy do I hate this contract even more now ) . Gardner ( the invisible man ) , Headley and McCann.

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7 years ago  ::  Oct 07, 2015 - 3:06PM #33
T15D23A46
Posts: 5,953

Every team has their challenges. 


We were second in the majors (to Toronto) for runs scored per game (4.69) in 2015.


As for runs allowed, other than Texas who gave up more runs, but won their division, we gave up the 2nd most (4.31) of all the AL teams in the post season.


I don't care if it was a title year or not, you lose players along the way. Every team deals with that. It comes down to the leadership to have the team adjust.


We don't have that.

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7 years ago  ::  Oct 07, 2015 - 3:20PM #34
_YaNkEeFaN4LiFe_
Posts: 663

Yankees offense just collapsed as soon as September hit. They were out of gas, they were not the same, and just look lethargic. Even assrod disappeared and he was our best hitter after tex went down. We are still too old of a team and that beltran signing (although he really was the only one who was hiting in september) was dumb in my opinion. Not trading for Tulo who was a yankee fan and jeter was his favorite player was dumb too because I highly believed he would have resigned. What if Toronto makes the WS and what if they win it? Are the Yankees really banking on just signing him as a FA? Why would Tulo want to leave a good young team who will compete for years to come to go to a rebuilding Yankees filled with old players with fat contracts that still have about 2 more years left on their deal? Ugh. I blame penny pinching Hal and Hank Steinbrenner.


7 years ago  ::  Oct 07, 2015 - 3:32PM #35
T15D23A46
Posts: 5,953

Tulowitzki is not a free agent until AFTER the 2021 season.


The only way to get him, was via a trade. Problem with him is that he is hurt quite a bit.


He made no impact for Toronto thus far, but regardless, he is not an option.


Here is your shopping list:


www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/09/2016-mlb-...



Oct 7, 2015 -- 3:20PM, _YaNkEeFaN4LiFe_ wrote:


Yankees offense just collapsed as soon as September hit. They were out of gas, they were not the same, and just look lethargic. Even assrod disappeared and he was our best hitter after tex went down. We are still too old of a team and that beltran signing (although he really was the only one who was hiting in september) was dumb in my opinion. Not trading for Tulo who was a yankee fan and jeter was his favorite player was dumb too because I highly believed he would have resigned. What if Toronto makes the WS and what if they win it? Are the Yankees really banking on just signing him as a FA? Why would Tulo want to leave a good young team who will compete for years to come to go to a rebuilding Yankees filled with old players with fat contracts that still have about 2 more years left on their deal? Ugh. I blame penny pinching Hal and Hank Steinbrenner.






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- 11/25/03 GBMA

- 6/11/04 GBCJ

- 6/9/07 God Bless Leo

- 10/16/07 God Bless Huck

- 11/12/11 God Bless Mom

- 09/24/14 God Bless Dad

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7 years ago  ::  Oct 07, 2015 - 3:34PM #36
_YaNkEeFaN4LiFe_
Posts: 663

Oct 7, 2015 -- 3:32PM, T15D23A46 wrote:


Tulowitzki is not a free agent until AFTER the 2021 season.


The only way to get him, was via a trade. Problem with him is that he is hurt quite a bit.


He made no impact for Toronto thus far, but regardless, he is not an option.


Here is your shopping list:


www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/09/2016-mlb-...



Oct 7, 2015 -- 3:20PM, _YaNkEeFaN4LiFe_ wrote:


Yankees offense just collapsed as soon as September hit. They were out of gas, they were not the same, and just look lethargic. Even assrod disappeared and he was our best hitter after tex went down. We are still too old of a team and that beltran signing (although he really was the only one who was hiting in september) was dumb in my opinion. Not trading for Tulo who was a yankee fan and jeter was his favorite player was dumb too because I highly believed he would have resigned. What if Toronto makes the WS and what if they win it? Are the Yankees really banking on just signing him as a FA? Why would Tulo want to leave a good young team who will compete for years to come to go to a rebuilding Yankees filled with old players with fat contracts that still have about 2 more years left on their deal? Ugh. I blame penny pinching Hal and Hank Steinbrenner.









Oh god thats the FA list? We are screwed for a long time fellas.

7 years ago  ::  Oct 07, 2015 - 3:41PM #37
louisiana_lightning
Posts: 21,885

Oct 7, 2015 -- 3:34PM, _YaNkEeFaN4LiFe_ wrote:


Oct 7, 2015 -- 3:32PM, T15D23A46 wrote:


Tulowitzki is not a free agent until AFTER the 2021 season.


The only way to get him, was via a trade. Problem with him is that he is hurt quite a bit.


He made no impact for Toronto thus far, but regardless, he is not an option.


Here is your shopping list:


www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/09/2016-mlb-...



Oct 7, 2015 -- 3:20PM, _YaNkEeFaN4LiFe_ wrote:


Yankees offense just collapsed as soon as September hit. They were out of gas, they were not the same, and just look lethargic. Even assrod disappeared and he was our best hitter after tex went down. We are still too old of a team and that beltran signing (although he really was the only one who was hiting in september) was dumb in my opinion. Not trading for Tulo who was a yankee fan and jeter was his favorite player was dumb too because I highly believed he would have resigned. What if Toronto makes the WS and what if they win it? Are the Yankees really banking on just signing him as a FA? Why would Tulo want to leave a good young team who will compete for years to come to go to a rebuilding Yankees filled with old players with fat contracts that still have about 2 more years left on their deal? Ugh. I blame penny pinching Hal and Hank Steinbrenner.









Oh god thats the FA list? We are screwed for a long time fellas.




Then we want to avoid the good ones except for those that were traded this season.  We don't want to give up draft picks for players that turn down qualifying offers.

7 years ago  ::  Oct 07, 2015 - 3:50PM #38
doubleplay643
Posts: 6,115

Yanks I felt did the best they could with what they had. Tex and A-Rod both ran out of steam. I don't know but I feel there are too many streaky hitters on the team. Ellsbury gets hurt way too much and Gardner just falls off the cliff the last two second halfs. Ellsbury and Garnder don't get on base, there's no one on base to drive in. Just easy outs for the opposition. I think the Yanks are going to have a tough time finding trade partners for either Ellsbury and/or Gardner, especially since the Yankees are pretty steadfast in telling teams they want them to pick up part of the tab. As another poster said, I think it'd have to be for another bad contract if that were the case.


The bullpen was on fumes coming down the stretch and it was a major part of the Yanks success, once that went and the starters couldn't go deep enough into games, that hurt. Than once the Yankees lost Mark Teixeira, that was the final blow for me. After he went down and had to rely on A-Rod, the Yanks offense fell off a cliff. Beltran and a few of the youngers tried to give us some hope but I feel they did more than what others expected them to.


Toronto played out of their minds coming down the stretch, almost inhuman like. Yeah, the Yanks lost quite a bit down the stretch and that didn't help either but it's not all on the Yanks. If Ellsbury wasn't hurt, he should of been playing a win or go home game. When it comes down to it, there just wasn't enough offense to get the Yankees over the hump. I know the Yankees have offense issues to deal with during the offseason but I feel the Yanks need to find themselves a more durable pitcher.

7 years ago  ::  Oct 07, 2015 - 3:57PM #39
diehardma
Posts: 7,169

Oct 7, 2015 -- 3:20PM, _YaNkEeFaN4LiFe_ wrote:


Yankees offense just collapsed as soon as September hit. They were out of gas, they were not the same, and just look lethargic. Even assrod disappeared and he was our best hitter after tex went down. We are still too old of a team and that beltran signing (although he really was the only one who was hiting in september) was dumb in my opinion. Not trading for Tulo who was a yankee fan and jeter was his favorite player was dumb too because I highly believed he would have resigned. What if Toronto makes the WS and what if they win it? Are the Yankees really banking on just signing him as a FA? Why would Tulo want to leave a good young team who will compete for years to come to go to a rebuilding Yankees filled with old players with fat contracts that still have about 2 more years left on their deal? Ugh. I blame penny pinching Hal and Hank Steinbrenner.





The Yankees have the youngest average age out of all 10 playoff teams.


espn.go.com/mlb/stats/rosters/_/sort/ave...


So if the Yankees are too old then every playoff team is too old.

7 years ago  ::  Oct 07, 2015 - 5:06PM #40
RobS44
Posts: 5,608


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I might be wrong, but I think Ellsbury will be much better next year, if he isn't derailed by a major injury again.


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I think that ia part of the problem Qwik. Ellsbury is a very good outfielder but he has become very fragile. You need a center fielder that you can count on to be on the field and Ellsbury has become very injury prone. Of course, the Yankees being so cautious with players all the time doesn't help keep players onthe field all the time either...


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He hasn't "become" injury prone.  He has been injury prone his entire career AND has a history of taking signifiantly longer to return from injuries than initially predicted.  I predict we'll be talking about his contract in the same language we reserve for ARod and CC's extensions.

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