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6 years ago  ::  Jun 16, 2016 - 4:17PM #51
BigGuy
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The Yankees might buy and sell at the deadline










In recent seasons, the Yankees have tried to upgrade midseason without moving top prospects. This year's team is just mediocre enough that they could try to compete without any major moves.



The Yankees are having a bad season. In the rotation, CC Sabathia andMasahiro Tanaka have been great, but the offense has struggled far too often to score enough runs to hand a lead over to their dominant bullpen. The team isn't awful though, and that puts them in a position that good arguments can be made to try to acquire both young talent for the future and talent that can help them win this season.


This isn't a new position for the Yankees to be in. At this point of the season in the last two years, the team was in contention for the division or close enough to go after a wild card birth. The moves in June and July of both seasons show a pattern that might help predict how the Yankees will approach this season as well. Here are the major moves made during the past two seasons in the two months before the trade deadline.


2014
Brandon McCarthy for Vidal Nuno and cash
Chase Headley for Rafael De Paula and Yangervis Solarte
Chris Capuano for cash
Martin Prado for Peter O'Brien and a player to be named later
Stephen Drew for Kelly Johnson


2015
Tony Renda for David Carpenter
Dustin Ackley for Ramon Flores and Jose Ramirez


In both years, the Yankees made moves that could be classified as both buying and selling. In 2014, the acquisition of McCarthy, Headley, and Prado is a clear win-now upgrade. In 2015, Carpenter went to the Nationals for a second base prospect (side note: Renda eventually was involved in the trade for Aroldis Chapman.) Although Carpenter was struggling at the time, the move can still be considered a sell because Renda wasn't ready for the majors yet. In acquiring Ackley, the Yankees hoped to get a versatile, left handed bat that would help them compete for a playoff spot. They had wanted him for awhile and felt he could be a contributor in future years, too.


If this pattern continues in 2016, it is unlikely that the Yankees will commit to a full rebuild or a win-at-all-costs strategy. If the Yankees thought they were several years away from contention, they might consider trading everyone of value. Players with a lot of value would be traded for prospects. Aroldis Chapman, Andrew Miller, Aroldis Chapman, Dellin Betances, and Carlos Beltran would be traded quickly. Nathan Eovaldi, Didi Gregorius, and Starlin Castro might go, too. The Yankees would probably even consider giving away as much cash as it would take for a team to take CC Sabathia and try to convince Masahiro Tanaka to waive his no-trade clause. The team would then call up every prospect that could handle the majors and wait for them to develop while collecting high draft picks.


On the other hand, if the Yankees thought they were on the verge of competing for the World Series, they would start trying to upgrade at every position of weakness. Prospects like Luis SeverinoGreg Bird, and Aaron Judge would be traded for an expensive first basemen, and third basemen, and a starting pitcher. Even players like Eovaldi and Michael Pineda, who have been on the active roster but are still developing, would potentially be traded for a veteran who is better right now.


Neither of these scenarios seem very likely. The best word to describe the Yankees recent pattern is opportunistic. When the Yankees have found an opportunity to upgrade their current roster for cheap, they've done it. When they've been able to acquire young talent for older players, they've done that too. As the season gets closer to the trade deadline and presuming they are not completely out of it, the Yankees will most likely make moves like this that put them closer to the playoffs while not giving up any top prospects.


At the same time, any player that is valuable and not under contract for next season, might be traded. Beltran and Chapman both fit this profile, and are probably the players most likely to be traded. It wouldn't be a surprise if the Yankees move either of both of these players in addition to acquiring younger assets who could help the team this season and in future seasons.





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6 years ago  ::  Jun 16, 2016 - 5:57PM #52
yankfever
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After watching the Nationals - Cubs game last night, its obvious that Chicago ( Rondon- better suited for set up role ) & Washington ( Papelbon hurt) both desperately need a bona fide closer. Texas who will be fighting to come out of the A.L. has Dyson and not much else in their pen.  This should not be too difficult for Cashman. Three teams in "win now" mode , badly in need of a top notch closer.  Yanks have to cash in on this by the deadline. Be creative and add players to expand deals if they must ..... but if they blow this opportunity , its going to be a much longer road back to respectability. 

6 years ago  ::  Jun 16, 2016 - 8:16PM #53
nystripes2
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If the Cubs want BOTH Miller and Chapman, Schwarber better be included
6 years ago  ::  Jun 17, 2016 - 9:25AM #54
BigGuy
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  • Heyman also floats the idea that the Nationals could dangle top position player prospect Trea Turner in trade talks this summer. He wonders whether he could be the chip that lands a top-end reliever, citing Yankees hurler Andrew Millerand Aroldis Chapman. From my perspective, that would be rather surprising: Turner has shown himself ready for a full crack at the big leagues and is widely considered one of the game’s twenty best prospects. Even if the Nats don’t make him the starter in 2016, he’s a critical part of the team’s middle infield depth right now and an important future piece.
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6 years ago  ::  Jun 17, 2016 - 9:33AM #55
diehardma
Posts: 7,495

Jun 16, 2016 -- 9:38AM, bruner4329 wrote:




 Don't have any issues with the results. Would also like to see if they can dump Headley as well but it would have to be part of a big trade where we give up more so they would take Headley off our hands. I also think the focus on some of these trades needs to be starting pitching as well. They are not going to win with this group. Dare I say but CC right now is our best pitcher. If we trade 2/3 of the back end of the bullpen and with our middle relief being a joke we are going to need to improve the starters at some point.Here is my thoughts on the staff:


Tanaka- Too inconsistent to be a number 1 and has trouble pitching every 5 days. Not what you need from the top guy. More of a middle rotation guy.


Pineda- Has pitched better but not a number 2. Back end at best and obviously inconsistent.


Eovaldi- Again middle to back end rotation. His inability to be consistent is frustrating. Last 3 starts perfect example.


CC- Fine if he pitches like this. Number 4/5.


Nova- FA can't come too soon. Inconsistent. We have a big enough sample over the years to know this guy is nothing more than a back end of the rotation guy.


Severino-??? Needs to develop another pitch and harness ability. From what I have seen in spurts don't think he is a number 1 but can fill anywhere from 3-5 position.


Problem in nutshell we have all middle to back end starters. We are going to have to find a number 1 and 2 at some point. Don't think anyone internal in minors fills that bill currently and we know there is nothing in AAA. I like some of the names thrown out in trades like Schwarber, Gallo, Baez and Soler but they are all position players. Only team I think could help with starting pitching is Washington.





Severino is 22 years old... throws in the upper 90s (was in the top 10 of average FB velocity)... has a plus slider and developing changeup... has dominated at every level of the Minor Leagues and was pretty darn good for 2 months last year. Yes, he struggled this year but how much of that was a result of the injury and not wanting to disclose it. I agree he could benefit from another pitch but to cap out his ceiling as a #3-5 starter at this point is ridiculous. 

6 years ago  ::  Jun 17, 2016 - 10:11AM #56
newinn
Posts: 38,827

Jun 17, 2016 -- 9:33AM, diehardma wrote:


Jun 16, 2016 -- 9:38AM, bruner4329 wrote:




 Don't have any issues with the results. Would also like to see if they can dump Headley as well but it would have to be part of a big trade where we give up more so they would take Headley off our hands. I also think the focus on some of these trades needs to be starting pitching as well. They are not going to win with this group. Dare I say but CC right now is our best pitcher. If we trade 2/3 of the back end of the bullpen and with our middle relief being a joke we are going to need to improve the starters at some point.Here is my thoughts on the staff:


Tanaka- Too inconsistent to be a number 1 and has trouble pitching every 5 days. Not what you need from the top guy. More of a middle rotation guy.


Pineda- Has pitched better but not a number 2. Back end at best and obviously inconsistent.


Eovaldi- Again middle to back end rotation. His inability to be consistent is frustrating. Last 3 starts perfect example.


CC- Fine if he pitches like this. Number 4/5.


Nova- FA can't come too soon. Inconsistent. We have a big enough sample over the years to know this guy is nothing more than a back end of the rotation guy.


Severino-??? Needs to develop another pitch and harness ability. From what I have seen in spurts don't think he is a number 1 but can fill anywhere from 3-5 position.


Problem in nutshell we have all middle to back end starters. We are going to have to find a number 1 and 2 at some point. Don't think anyone internal in minors fills that bill currently and we know there is nothing in AAA. I like some of the names thrown out in trades like Schwarber, Gallo, Baez and Soler but they are all position players. Only team I think could help with starting pitching is Washington.





Severino is 22 years old... throws in the upper 90s (was in the top 10 of average FB velocity)... has a plus slider and developing changeup... has dominated at every level of the Minor Leagues and was pretty darn good for 2 months last year. Yes, he struggled this year but how much of that was a result of the injury and not wanting to disclose it. I agree he could benefit from another pitch but to cap out his ceiling as a #3-5 starter at this point is ridiculous. 




Hey DH, couldn't agree more. Wasn't long ao that people quit on Didi and Romine. Yankee fans have little patience with young players

6 years ago  ::  Jun 17, 2016 - 11:23AM #57
Max
Posts: 42,830

Jun 17, 2016 -- 9:25AM, BigGuy wrote:

  • Heyman also floats the idea that the Nationals could dangle top position player prospect Trea Turner in trade talks this summer. He wonders whether he could be the chip that lands a top-end reliever, citing Yankees hurler Andrew Millerand Aroldis Chapman. From my perspective, that would be rather surprising: Turner has shown himself ready for a full crack at the big leagues and is widely considered one of the game’s twenty best prospects. Even if the Nats don’t make him the starter in 2016, he’s a critical part of the team’s middle infield depth right now and an important future piece.



Rather the Yankees get Giolito and or Robles in a trade with the Nats. 


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6 years ago  ::  Jun 17, 2016 - 12:02PM #58
diehardma
Posts: 7,495

Jun 17, 2016 -- 10:11AM, newinn wrote:


Jun 17, 2016 -- 9:33AM, diehardma wrote:


Jun 16, 2016 -- 9:38AM, bruner4329 wrote:




 Don't have any issues with the results. Would also like to see if they can dump Headley as well but it would have to be part of a big trade where we give up more so they would take Headley off our hands. I also think the focus on some of these trades needs to be starting pitching as well. They are not going to win with this group. Dare I say but CC right now is our best pitcher. If we trade 2/3 of the back end of the bullpen and with our middle relief being a joke we are going to need to improve the starters at some point.Here is my thoughts on the staff:


Tanaka- Too inconsistent to be a number 1 and has trouble pitching every 5 days. Not what you need from the top guy. More of a middle rotation guy.


Pineda- Has pitched better but not a number 2. Back end at best and obviously inconsistent.


Eovaldi- Again middle to back end rotation. His inability to be consistent is frustrating. Last 3 starts perfect example.


CC- Fine if he pitches like this. Number 4/5.


Nova- FA can't come too soon. Inconsistent. We have a big enough sample over the years to know this guy is nothing more than a back end of the rotation guy.


Severino-??? Needs to develop another pitch and harness ability. From what I have seen in spurts don't think he is a number 1 but can fill anywhere from 3-5 position.


Problem in nutshell we have all middle to back end starters. We are going to have to find a number 1 and 2 at some point. Don't think anyone internal in minors fills that bill currently and we know there is nothing in AAA. I like some of the names thrown out in trades like Schwarber, Gallo, Baez and Soler but they are all position players. Only team I think could help with starting pitching is Washington.





Severino is 22 years old... throws in the upper 90s (was in the top 10 of average FB velocity)... has a plus slider and developing changeup... has dominated at every level of the Minor Leagues and was pretty darn good for 2 months last year. Yes, he struggled this year but how much of that was a result of the injury and not wanting to disclose it. I agree he could benefit from another pitch but to cap out his ceiling as a #3-5 starter at this point is ridiculous. 




Hey DH, couldn't agree more. Wasn't long ao that people quit on Didi and Romine. Yankee fans have little patience with young players




Hey New... I understand the trepidation about the younger guys seeing the track record of the organization the last 10-15 years. A guy like Severino though was never just a prospect who was over-hyped by Yankees brass because they had no one else to hype up. Scouts, other teams and analysts around the league drool over his talent. He's also 22 years old and not 25. I do realize he's not a finished product though and if he needs to stay in Scranton all year this year to learn better strike zone command or develop a 4th pitch then I have no problem with that. I still think when all is said and done he has the stuff, makeup and poise to be a #2 starter someday. I could be wrong, but I'm not giving up after a bad month and a half.

6 years ago  ::  Jun 17, 2016 - 12:13PM #59
BigGuy
Posts: 66,015

Jun 17, 2016 -- 12:02PM, diehardma wrote:


Jun 17, 2016 -- 10:11AM, newinn wrote:


Jun 17, 2016 -- 9:33AM, diehardma wrote:


Jun 16, 2016 -- 9:38AM, bruner4329 wrote:




 Don't have any issues with the results. Would also like to see if they can dump Headley as well but it would have to be part of a big trade where we give up more so they would take Headley off our hands. I also think the focus on some of these trades needs to be starting pitching as well. They are not going to win with this group. Dare I say but CC right now is our best pitcher. If we trade 2/3 of the back end of the bullpen and with our middle relief being a joke we are going to need to improve the starters at some point.Here is my thoughts on the staff:


Tanaka- Too inconsistent to be a number 1 and has trouble pitching every 5 days. Not what you need from the top guy. More of a middle rotation guy.


Pineda- Has pitched better but not a number 2. Back end at best and obviously inconsistent.


Eovaldi- Again middle to back end rotation. His inability to be consistent is frustrating. Last 3 starts perfect example.


CC- Fine if he pitches like this. Number 4/5.


Nova- FA can't come too soon. Inconsistent. We have a big enough sample over the years to know this guy is nothing more than a back end of the rotation guy.


Severino-??? Needs to develop another pitch and harness ability. From what I have seen in spurts don't think he is a number 1 but can fill anywhere from 3-5 position.


Problem in nutshell we have all middle to back end starters. We are going to have to find a number 1 and 2 at some point. Don't think anyone internal in minors fills that bill currently and we know there is nothing in AAA. I like some of the names thrown out in trades like Schwarber, Gallo, Baez and Soler but they are all position players. Only team I think could help with starting pitching is Washington.





Severino is 22 years old... throws in the upper 90s (was in the top 10 of average FB velocity)... has a plus slider and developing changeup... has dominated at every level of the Minor Leagues and was pretty darn good for 2 months last year. Yes, he struggled this year but how much of that was a result of the injury and not wanting to disclose it. I agree he could benefit from another pitch but to cap out his ceiling as a #3-5 starter at this point is ridiculous. 




Hey DH, couldn't agree more. Wasn't long ao that people quit on Didi and Romine. Yankee fans have little patience with young players




Hey New... I understand the trepidation about the younger guys seeing the track record of the organization the last 10-15 years. A guy like Severino though was never just a prospect who was over-hyped by Yankees brass because they had no one else to hype up. Scouts, other teams and analysts around the league drool over his talent. He's also 22 years old and not 25. I do realize he's not a finished product though and if he needs to stay in Scranton all year this year to learn better strike zone command or develop a 4th pitch then I have no problem with that. I still think when all is said and done he has the stuff, makeup and poise to be a #2 starter someday. I could be wrong, but I'm not giving up after a bad month and a half.




Trepidation?  Stop showing off.  I actually used that word in a public speaking class in college. My buddy came up with the liittle speech for me when we were playing in the band in the back of a hearse on the way to a job. It took me all night to remember the damn thing.  I still remembere it:


"I have no qualms nor trepidations. For the appitudes I have encountered at this instituion of higher learning have elevated me to a lofty position. Furthermore, I have become both mathematically, and linquistically inclined, indubidubly !"

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6 years ago  ::  Jun 17, 2016 - 12:16PM #60
BigGuy
Posts: 66,015
No surprise here:
  • The Yankees aren’t interested in signing Jose Reyeswrites Jon Heyman of FanRag Sports. The Yanks had interest in Reyes following his trade from Toronto to Colorado, but they’re no longer intrigued by the possibility. Reyes was designated for assignment earlier this week and is all but certain to be released by the Rockies.
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