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Jorge Mateo
7 years ago  ::  Jul 07, 2016 - 12:12PM #31
BW26
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Jul 7, 2016 -- 9:03AM, Joeybagadonutz wrote:

I mentioned the other day that I thought he was getting stale at A ball. Looks like he was. Funny thing is that he probably just bought himself the rest of the year at High-A ball just because the stooges want to make a point.




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7 years ago  ::  Jul 07, 2016 - 12:14PM #32
BW26
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Jul 7, 2016 -- 11:20AM, bruner4329 wrote:


Jul 7, 2016 -- 11:04AM, BigGuy wrote:


Jul 7, 2016 -- 10:36AM, luvdayanks wrote:


Jul 7, 2016 -- 9:33AM, Raymond757 wrote:

the Yankees do seems to be a little slow in promoting players.





A lot slow, Ray. if Machado, Correa, Harper etc. were in the Yankees system they'd still all be at AAA.




Those guys are in a class way above anybody the Yankees have had in their farm system in many years. Everybody on the planet knew they were going to be studs. That's a product of those teams being bad and getting very high draft picks. 




As well as us drafting poorly!!!





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7 years ago  ::  Jul 07, 2016 - 12:28PM #33
BigGuy
Posts: 66,015

Mateo reportedly showed signs of frustration before suspension



Chad Jennings, cjennings@lohud.com\





It was either 2008 or 2009, and I was still working in Scranton, covering a high-round draft pick off to a terrific start in Triple-A. He was hitting over .300 late in the month of April, but he hadn't done much the year before. When the Yankees had a need for someone who could play his position, I wasn't surprised that someone else got the nod, the prospect immediately went into an unbelievable downward spiral. His numbers completely fell off the table.


It was only much later that the player told me not getting called up had been devastating. He let it get to him, fell into a hole and couldn't get out.


Jorge Mateo's suspension made me think of that long-lost memory.


George King reported last night that Mateo vented some frustration recently, letting the Yankees know he wasn't happy about being not yet promoted to Double-A Trenton. King notes some other incident seems to have directly led to the suspension, but without knowing the details, it's hard to ignore that element of frustration and disappointment in a young kid.


The player I was covering many years ago was known for his work ethic. He was beloved in the organization, respected in the clubhouse, and exactly the kind of guy who could always keep his head on straight. But the internal frustration of spinning his tires -- even though I'm not sure any outside observers would have expected a call-up -- really and truly got to him. I don't remember him yelling or screaming, but he admitted that his mindset and performance were affected by the disappointment.


As for Mateo, it was more than a month ago that Brian Cashman announced the 21-year-old would begin playing a little second base, a move that seemed to be in anticipation of a promotion to Double-A where he would be sharing middle-infield duties with Tyler Wade, another highly regarded shortstop prospect.


At the time, Mateo was off to a blistering start in High-A. The report of a second base move came on May 13 when Mateo was hitting .347/.401/.556. His numbers began to really drag in the second half of May, and Mateo hit just .194/.235/.226 in the month of June.


Performance impacted by the frustration of not advancing? Certainly could be. It lines up pretty well.


Mateo wound up seeing two other infielders moved up to Double-A ahead of him. One was Billy Fleming, a 23-year-old who played college ball and had a little bit of time in Double-A last season. The other was Miguel Andujar, another 21-year-old prospect with more pro experience than Mateo who had a full season in High-A Tampa a year ago. It made sense that each of those two would be moved up ahead of Mateo, but it's hard for a kid who knows he's playing well to see that or understand it or accept it.


That doesn't excuse Mateo for popping off, and it doesn't excuse whatever led to yesterday's suspension. It's only to say that Mateo's not the first highly touted young player to handle things poorly in the minor leagues, and he certainly won't be the last. Gary Sanchez was handed a similar suspension a few years ago, and he's since drawn raves for his improved maturity and approach.


For kids who get into pro ball as young as Mateo did, the minor leagues often are about growing up as much as anything.

"Leave the gun. Take the cannoli."
7 years ago  ::  Jul 07, 2016 - 1:30PM #34
yanks4322
Posts: 1,331

Jul 7, 2016 -- 9:03AM, Joeybagadonutz wrote:

I mentioned the other day that I thought he was getting stale at A ball. Looks like he was. Funny thing is that he probably just bought himself the rest of the year at High-A ball just because the stooges want to make a point.



He batted .190 in june, how is the deserving a promotion.  Had he continued to perform he'd have been promoted probably a week or two ago.  He didn't get promoted cause he was playing abysmal.  He has dominated this level for a very long stretch.  I don't think you can blame this on the "stooges" as you put it.  This suspension is very well deserved.

7 years ago  ::  Jul 07, 2016 - 1:35PM #35
JoeGNJ
Posts: 15,926

Jul 7, 2016 -- 9:33AM, Raymond757 wrote:

the Yankees do seems to be a little slow in promoting players.



Ya think Ray?  lol

JoeGNJ - 2Timothy 4:7 - Acts 20:24
7 years ago  ::  Jul 07, 2016 - 1:36PM #36
JoeGNJ
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Jul 7, 2016 -- 11:29AM, luvdayanks wrote:


Jul 7, 2016 -- 11:20AM, bruner4329 wrote:


Jul 7, 2016 -- 11:04AM, BigGuy wrote:


Jul 7, 2016 -- 10:36AM, luvdayanks wrote:


Jul 7, 2016 -- 9:33AM, Raymond757 wrote:

the Yankees do seems to be a little slow in promoting players.





A lot slow, Ray. if Machado, Correa, Harper etc. were in the Yankees system they'd still all be at AAA.




Those guys are in a class way above anybody the Yankees have had in their farm system in many years. Everybody on the planet knew they were going to be studs. That's a product of those teams being bad and getting very high draft picks. 




As well as us drafting poorly!!!





Here are the #1 picks from the last 15 years. I don't think that's poor...not great but certainly not poor.

SEASON PLAYER POS SCHOOL/HOMETOWN PICK
2016 Blake Rutherford OF Chaminade College Prep (West Hills, Calif.) 18
2015 James Kaprielian RHP UCLA 16
2015 Kyle Holder SS San Diego 30
2013 Aaron Judge OF Fresno State 32
2013 Ian Clarkin LHP Madison High School, San Diego, Calif. 33
2013 Eric Jagielo 3B Notre Dame 26
2012 Ty Hensley RHP Edmond Santa Fe (Okla.) High School 30
2010 Cito Culver SS Irondequoit HS, Rochester, N.Y. 32
2009 Slade Heathcott OF Texas HS, Texarkana, Texas 29
2008 Gerrit Cole RHP Orange (Calif.) Lutheran H.S. 28
2007 Andrew Brackman RHP North Carolina State 30
2006 Ian Kennedy RHP Southern California 21
2005 Carl Henry SS Putnam City HS (OK) 17
2004 Philip Hughes RHP Foothill HS, Santa Ana, CA 23
2003 Eric Duncan 3B Seton Hall Prep (NJ) 27
2001 John-Ford Griffin OF Florida State U



Not good either, at least as of today. 

JoeGNJ - 2Timothy 4:7 - Acts 20:24
7 years ago  ::  Jul 07, 2016 - 2:33PM #37
Max
Posts: 42,830

He's a 21 year old young man. He got suspeneded for mouthing off because he wants to be promoted. It's my understanding that he didn't complain in the media. No big deal.

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7 years ago  ::  Jul 07, 2016 - 3:09PM #38
bruner4329
Posts: 4,957

Jul 7, 2016 -- 11:29AM, luvdayanks wrote:


Jul 7, 2016 -- 11:20AM, bruner4329 wrote:


Jul 7, 2016 -- 11:04AM, BigGuy wrote:


Jul 7, 2016 -- 10:36AM, luvdayanks wrote:


Jul 7, 2016 -- 9:33AM, Raymond757 wrote:

the Yankees do seems to be a little slow in promoting players.





A lot slow, Ray. if Machado, Correa, Harper etc. were in the Yankees system they'd still all be at AAA.




Those guys are in a class way above anybody the Yankees have had in their farm system in many years. Everybody on the planet knew they were going to be studs. That's a product of those teams being bad and getting very high draft picks. 




As well as us drafting poorly!!!





Here are the #1 picks from the last 15 years. I don't think that's poor...not great but certainly not poor.

SEASON PLAYER POS SCHOOL/HOMETOWN PICK
2016 Blake Rutherford OF Chaminade College Prep (West Hills, Calif.) 18
2015 James Kaprielian RHP UCLA 16
2015 Kyle Holder SS San Diego 30
2013 Aaron Judge OF Fresno State 32
2013 Ian Clarkin LHP Madison High School, San Diego, Calif. 33
2013 Eric Jagielo 3B Notre Dame 26
2012 Ty Hensley RHP Edmond Santa Fe (Okla.) High School 30
2010 Cito Culver SS Irondequoit HS, Rochester, N.Y. 32
2009 Slade Heathcott OF Texas HS, Texarkana, Texas 29
2008 Gerrit Cole RHP Orange (Calif.) Lutheran H.S. 28
2007 Andrew Brackman RHP North Carolina State 30
2006 Ian Kennedy RHP Southern California 21
2005 Carl Henry SS Putnam City HS (OK) 17
2004 Philip Hughes RHP Foothill HS, Santa Ana, CA 23
2003 Eric Duncan 3B Seton Hall Prep (NJ) 27
2001 John-Ford Griffin OF Florida State U



Huh? Other than Ian Kennedy and Phil Hughes no ML player was produced except for Cole who we couldn't sign. Yes Judge and hopefully Kaprellian get there but in all seriousness if you want to point a finger at one of our biggest problems today, it is the fact we haven't produced a ML player on the current roster out of this group. Guys you drafted 6/7 years ago should be the foundation of today's team.

7 years ago  ::  Jul 07, 2016 - 3:13PM #39
bruner4329
Posts: 4,957

Jul 7, 2016 -- 2:33PM, Max wrote:


He's a 21 year old young man. He got suspeneded for mouthing off because he wants to be promoted. It's my understanding that he didn't complain in the media. No big deal.




If you complain to your boss at your job for a similar issue do you think its no big deal? he needs to understand he needs to follow protocol. Heck one story I saw was he was demanding that they move a player out of AA so he can move up. You want a teammate like that potentially back stabbing you. As we use to say a slap on the butt once in a while does wonders even though in today's world that is frowned upon.

7 years ago  ::  Jul 07, 2016 - 3:19PM #40
TheLoon
Posts: 2,050
Kaprielian will be a boss after his 4th TJ surgery and 17th DL stint.
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