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6 years ago  ::  Sep 10, 2016 - 9:12PM #41
bruner4329
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Sep 6, 2016 -- 10:37AM, newinn wrote:


When Ford, Guidry (in prime years) Cone, Andy in a big spot took the mound, I felt real good that the Yankees were going to win that game. I just don't have that same kind of confidence in Tanaka. Not saying he's not a very good pitcher and he is certainly the best pitcher on this staff, I just don't see him as elite compared to some other elite pitchers. In fairness though I think pitching is down all over baseball, especially in the AL




well put.

6 years ago  ::  Sep 10, 2016 - 9:19PM #42
mikedorb
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nystripes2- I think the start against the Mets when he gave up 6 earned runs was his only real bad start since the All Star break.Most of his other starts were anywhere from very good to great.  Definitely one of the best starters in the AL.But he will likely not be considered for the Cy Young award because he doesn't have the wins but I think he has pitched just about as well as pitchers like Porcello and Happ who have a lot more wins. And Porcello has gotten great run support most of the season which means he hasn't had to do as much stressful pitching as other pitchers have. I will give him a lot of credit for winning 20 games but the Red Sox offense has helped make his job easy in a lot of his starts. He has had the run counter on his side for much of the season. 

6 years ago  ::  Sep 10, 2016 - 9:26PM #43
mikedorb
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bruner4329- How many true number 1 starters are there in baseball? I don't think very many. And by that I mean top pitchers over a number of years. Guys like Porcello and Happ may be pitching like number 1 starters this season but they are not number 1 starters for their careers.Not even close. And in case you don't remember Porcello last season for the Red Sox was one of the worst starters in the AL. And this season he is one of the best. Pitchers often go up and down like a yoyo.  

6 years ago  ::  Sep 11, 2016 - 10:35AM #44
nystripes2
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“I think he understands who he is,” Girardi said of Tanaka, 6-0 in his last seven starts with a 1.94 ERA while striking out 48 and walking only four over 46 ¹/₃ innings. “He has stepped it up and pitched at a really high level
6 years ago  ::  Sep 11, 2016 - 10:37AM #45
nystripes2
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comparing ONE playoff start Tanaka had so far in his career to Pettitte who has proyally the most in team history isn't fair at all.. I can name PLENTY of awful playoff starts by Pettitte. Probably just as many as he had big ones.
6 years ago  ::  Sep 11, 2016 - 11:01AM #46
BigGuy
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The Cy Young Case for Masahiro Tanaka



(Jim McIsaac/Getty)
(Jim McIsaac/Getty)

Coming into today, Masahiro Tanaka ranks third in the AL in ERA at 3.04, and has more innings pitched than the first place (Michael Fulmer–2.76) and second place (Aaron Sanchez–2.92) pitchers in front of him. He’s also third in ERA- at 71. His 3.23 FIP is second only to Corey Kluber’s 3.18 mark; despite that, though, Tanaka leads the AL in fWAR at 5.0 (over Kluber’s 4.7) and FIP- at 73. At 1.07, his WHIP is sixth in the league. WPA? 4th at 2.31. Long and repetitive story short, if there is an important pitching category this year, Tanaka is top-ten in that category.


(Greg Fiume/Getty)
(Greg Fiume/Getty)

There are plenty of good candidates this year and given that, it’s not likely that TANAK takes home the hardware this year. However, this is obviously his best chance to garner votes for the award, something he hasn’t done in his first three years of service to the Yankees. Thanks to this big year, there’s been talk lately of Tanaka’s place among the game’s best pitchers and to what degree he’s been underrated by Yankee fans or the league at large.


Since 2014, he ranks tied for fourth in the American League in ERA at 3.11; 11th in FIP at 3.42; and 8th in fWAR at 10.4. As an added bonus, he’s also fourth in K-BB% at 19.0 and fifth in WPA at 5.15. There’s not a whole lot anyone could say–with a slight exception for durability concerns–that could convince me that Tanaka hasn’t been one of the American League’s top pitchers since he moved over from Japan.


(Getty)
(Getty)

If you were to ask a handful of random baseball fans about where Tanaka ranked among they game’s best, I doubt they’d have him up where he belongs. Maybe that’s because the Yankees haven’t been as prominent in the last few seasons. Maybe that’s because he hasn’t pitched as many innings. Maybe that’s because he doesn’t always appear to be completely dominant. But regardless of that, Tanaka is, no doubt, a top pitcher in the AL. He’s able to change up his game seemingly from start-to-start to suit his opponent and is able to battle even without his best stuff thanks to his creativity and array of pitches. It’s not always worth it to get into the underrated/overrated debate because it’s so subjective, but this one feels different. There’s a part of me that thinks Yankee fans haven’t, in general, been as appreciative of Tanaka and his performance as they could or should have been over the last three years. It’s likely due to those same issues above, but it still bothers me. Since CC Sabathia was his old self in 2012, the Yankees haven’t had anyone pitching at the level Tanaka has been for a while now.


More than two years ago, over at IIATMS, I wrote a piece about the anticipation behind and ahead of the acquisition of Masahiro Tanaka. Not for the most part, but in totality, Tanaka has lived up to the hype.


"Leave the gun. Take the cannoli."
6 years ago  ::  Sep 11, 2016 - 11:19AM #47
mikedorb
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BigGuy- That article tells you all you need to know. I think Tanaka is one of the most underrated and underappreciated pitchers in baseball and isn't even appreciated by a lot of Yankees fans.He might even be number 1 as far as underrated pitchers go. When people make up their lists of the top pitchers in baseball Tanaka's name is seldom if ever mentioned. And his stats compare very favorably with a lot of the other pitchers people put on their lists. 

6 years ago  ::  Sep 11, 2016 - 11:46AM #48
thejudge17
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Mikedorb- jose fernandez, madbum, chris sale, thor/degrom, kershaw, arrietta, scherzer, tanaka are my number 1s
6 years ago  ::  Sep 11, 2016 - 11:49AM #49
nystripes2
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Tanaka now leads all AL pitchers in WAR at 5.0
6 years ago  ::  Sep 11, 2016 - 11:55AM #50
mikedorb
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nystripes2- I think most stats support the fact that Tanaka is a lot more than just pretty good.  

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