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6 years ago  ::  Dec 21, 2016 - 6:17PM #31
davis2
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Dec 20, 2016 -- 3:49AM, qwik3457 wrote:


Dec 17, 2016 -- 3:42PM, bruner4329 wrote:


Keep drinking the Kool AidIf we are rebuilding as you say explain to me where the foundation is for the rotation 2 years from now when we are suppose to contend?


They should be adding a piece here and a piece there. It won't happen over night. If people think we are gonna have a legitimate rotation 2 years from now if we don't start adding pieces now then they are in gaga land. Remember this organization has not developed a legitimate starter in years.



They are rebuilding. I see it. Just about everyone else sees it.


In the last dynasty, the Yanks didn't add starters until a lot more pieces were in place. Jimmy Key came in 1993. Boggs, O'Neill, and Bernie were already in the lineup. No starter on the 1995 team was added in 1994. McDowell, Pettitte and Cone joined the rotation in 1995. By that point, Leyritz, Strawberry and Jeter had made appearances, and Mariano had moved to relief. But the Yankees had already been contenders for two years before all those players were added. It wasn't until 1996 that Gooden and Rogers were added, and McDowell left, while, at the same time, Jeter, Tino, Duncan and Girardi joined the lineup, and Raines and Fielder joined the bench.



Qwik, wtf are you doing up at 3:49 am???????
6 years ago  ::  Dec 23, 2016 - 7:40PM #32
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The reality is that the 2017 season is about the Yankees finding out what they have; that way they can figure out in 2018 and 2019 what they will need the most.  But that means they have to cycle through Cessa/Green/Mitchell/Severino and give them major league starts so they can figure out who to keep.  If they go through all of them and it's not working out, then they look at Enns or Adams or whoever else is pitching well at AAA and they give them a shot.  


The Yankees aren't going to be potentially serious contenders again until 2018 or (most likely more realistically) 2019 at the earliest, and it's at that time they can go after pitching.  As Cashman would say, make a "finishing move" and trade prospect for a Chris Sale type.  2017 is not the time to do that.


The entire 2016 Cubs rotation was all brought in from the outside, nobody came up through their system:


Lester - signed as free agent


Lackey - signed as free agent


Hammel - signed as free agent


Arrieta - traded from Orioles


Hendricks - traded from Rangers (though did spend a season and a half in the Cubs minor league system)


The Cubs are the template, figure out the core position players and once that unit is solid go out and buy the pitching necessary.  If the Yankees develop a starter or two, great, if not they will have to go out and buy what they need (like the 2016 Cubs rotation, look at the 2017 Red Sox rotation and how all they were acquired, again all through trades and free agency).  The Yankees are a year or two away from that position, just need to be patient right now.  
6 years ago  ::  Dec 25, 2016 - 8:37PM #33
qwik3457
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Dec 21, 2016 -- 6:17PM, davis2 wrote:


Dec 20, 2016 -- 3:49AM, qwik3457 wrote:


Dec 17, 2016 -- 3:42PM, bruner4329 wrote:


Keep drinking the Kool AidIf we are rebuilding as you say explain to me where the foundation is for the rotation 2 years from now when we are suppose to contend?


They should be adding a piece here and a piece there. It won't happen over night. If people think we are gonna have a legitimate rotation 2 years from now if we don't start adding pieces now then they are in gaga land. Remember this organization has not developed a legitimate starter in years.



They are rebuilding. I see it. Just about everyone else sees it.


In the last dynasty, the Yanks didn't add starters until a lot more pieces were in place. Jimmy Key came in 1993. Boggs, O'Neill, and Bernie were already in the lineup. No starter on the 1995 team was added in 1994. McDowell, Pettitte and Cone joined the rotation in 1995. By that point, Leyritz, Strawberry and Jeter had made appearances, and Mariano had moved to relief. But the Yankees had already been contenders for two years before all those players were added. It wasn't until 1996 that Gooden and Rogers were added, and McDowell left, while, at the same time, Jeter, Tino, Duncan and Girardi joined the lineup, and Raines and Fielder joined the bench.



Qwik, wtf are you doing up at 3:49 am???????




Sometimes, I goto bed early, and wake up and can't get back to sleep for a while.


Sometimes, I go to bed very late.

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