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5 years ago  ::  Feb 16, 2018 - 9:37AM #11
luvdayanks
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Feb 16, 2018 -- 8:45AM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


Feb 16, 2018 -- 8:08AM, bomberhojoe wrote:


Feb 16, 2018 -- 7:59AM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


Dave Stewart is not in the HoF so I don't think Mussina will be.




Mussina was 270 - 153


Stewart was 168 - 129


Mussina deserves it abundantly more than Stewart!




Neither are close on lifetime numbers.  At least with Stewart you can point out his dominance from 87-90.  I can't see either getting in.




 Mussina pitched in the AL East his entire career, case closed.

5 years ago  ::  Feb 16, 2018 - 9:56AM #12
newinn
Posts: 39,146

Feb 16, 2018 -- 5:58AM, kyloren wrote:


Feb 15, 2018 -- 9:32PM, scooterfan wrote:


Feb 15, 2018 -- 8:19PM, bomberhojoe wrote:

Mussina had a Hall of Fame career, IMO. Gray is a middle of a rotation guy at this point. He looks like a solid pitcher, but not an ace.



I think Moose missed the Hall by just a few plays. The Benitez blown save that cost him a 20 game season for Baltimore. Carl Everett getting a hit to spoil the perfect game in the 9th in Boston. Arizona's blooper off Mo to deny Mike a World Series ring.




I think Mussina is a Hall Of Famer his numbers are almost identical to Curt Schillings numbers Mussina doesnt have WS Rings but not all Hall Of Famers have rings. thats not what its about its about your over all numbers. didnt Mussina finally win 20 in his final year or was it 19 wins?




Schillings not in either

5 years ago  ::  Feb 16, 2018 - 10:30AM #13
ArtVandelay
Posts: 34,732

Moose is a no brainer - if these idiots that vote are using 300 as the threshold for a starter then most likley they won't vote in another starter for a few decades....   all those wins in the AL East against some of the biggest steroid users?  c'mon, the guy if a HOFer!

5 years ago  ::  Feb 16, 2018 - 10:33AM #14
louisiana_lightning
Posts: 22,562

Feb 16, 2018 -- 9:37AM, luvdayanks wrote:


Feb 16, 2018 -- 8:45AM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


Feb 16, 2018 -- 8:08AM, bomberhojoe wrote:


Feb 16, 2018 -- 7:59AM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


Dave Stewart is not in the HoF so I don't think Mussina will be.




Mussina was 270 - 153


Stewart was 168 - 129


Mussina deserves it abundantly more than Stewart!




Neither are close on lifetime numbers.  At least with Stewart you can point out his dominance from 87-90.  I can't see either getting in.




 Mussina pitched in the AL East his entire career, case closed.




I recall during the 1989 Workd Series the pundits saying the West Coast would dominate forever because they had the most to offer free agents.

5 years ago  ::  Feb 16, 2018 - 10:50AM #15
ArtVandelay
Posts: 34,732

Feb 16, 2018 -- 10:33AM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


Feb 16, 2018 -- 9:37AM, luvdayanks wrote:


Feb 16, 2018 -- 8:45AM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


Feb 16, 2018 -- 8:08AM, bomberhojoe wrote:


Feb 16, 2018 -- 7:59AM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


Dave Stewart is not in the HoF so I don't think Mussina will be.




Mussina was 270 - 153


Stewart was 168 - 129


Mussina deserves it abundantly more than Stewart!




Neither are close on lifetime numbers.  At least with Stewart you can point out his dominance from 87-90.  I can't see either getting in.




 Mussina pitched in the AL East his entire career, case closed.




I recall during the 1989 Workd Series the pundits saying the West Coast would dominate forever because they had the most to offer free agents.




the earthquake scared the free agents away....

5 years ago  ::  Feb 16, 2018 - 11:01AM #16
newinn
Posts: 39,146

I think Schilling was a better and more dominant pitcher then Mussina but I have to confess that I wasn't a big Moose fan. I didn't like watching him start out with an 0-2 count and then nibble for the next 5 pitches

5 years ago  ::  Feb 16, 2018 - 11:25AM #17
Lola
Posts: 30,043

Feb 16, 2018 -- 11:01AM, newinn wrote:


I think Schilling was a better and more dominant pitcher then Mussina but I have to confess that I wasn't a big Moose fan. I didn't like watching him start out with an 0-2 count and then nibble for the next 5 pitches




I wasn't a big Moose fan either... he was too sullen and moody. I hate nibblers.

5 years ago  ::  Feb 16, 2018 - 3:19PM #18
bumper
Posts: 13,226

if john smoltz is in, then mussina is in. i know smoltz spent a bunch of years in the bullpen but career-wise moose had better stats especially considering the al east thing. also smoltz pitched for mostly great brave teams while the orioles were a sub .500 team for many of moose's years. moose was a cy young contender 9 times, smoltz 5 times.


mussina 270 153 .638 3.68 era 2813 k 1.192 whip


smoltz   213 155 .579 .3.33 era 3084 k 1.176 whip





 

5 years ago  ::  Feb 17, 2018 - 8:48AM #19
yankee51nc
Posts: 13
I think Grays motion is almost identical to Cone. Gray will be fine. I’m a little disappointed Rothchild was retained.
5 years ago  ::  Feb 17, 2018 - 7:56PM #20
davis2
Posts: 19,230

Feb 17, 2018 -- 8:48AM, yankee51nc wrote:

I think Grays motion is almost identical to Cone. Gray will be fine. I’m a little disappointed Rothchild was retained.


Maybe we need Coney working with him...

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