Sonny Gray: Yankees insisted on ‘s–tty’ pitch that ruined me

I was going to post something about this today but forgot. I heard his quotes on the radio. Word always comes out when a player leaves his former team.

Mar 5, 2019 -- 6:26PM, Joeybagadonutz wrote:

Apparently he's never heard of shaking off.

And why were his splits home and  away  so different? Did  he throw fewer sliders away where he was very good and more sliders at home where he stunk? I call BS on this one.

Mar 5, 2019 -- 6:46PM, Joeybagadonutz wrote:

Mar 5, 2019 -- 6:37PM, luvdayanks wrote:

Mar 5, 2019 -- 6:26PM, Joeybagadonutz wrote:

Apparently he's never heard of shaking off.

And why were his splits home and  away  so different? Did  he throw fewer sliders away where he was very good and more sliders at home where he stunk? I call BS on this one.

He's a fly ball pitcher that flat out stunk. I think NYS got into his head, he walked guys and gave up big hits for lots of runs. He can't handle NY. Seems like he's a guy that's quick to point a finger as opposed to looking into a mirror. I'm happy to see him go, he was an all around poor fit with this team and generally a waste of a roster spot. Enjoy the chili in Cinci!

Well said, Joey, but I still wouldn't be too quick in dismissing Gray's criticism, even if it's partly self-serving. I think some of his problems can be traced back to Rothschild's philosophy of pitching. Gray's not the first pitcher to suffer a letdown in performance here and then somehow recover his talent on a different team. It's not all due to the City or the ball-park or the tough NY fans. Gray pretty much kept up a good attitude while here. I just hope his comments give Cashman pause regarding keeping Rothschild after this season.

Mar 5, 2019 -- 7:05PM, Joeybagadonutz wrote:

Mar 5, 2019 -- 6:55PM, hampfan wrote:

Mar 5, 2019 -- 6:46PM, Joeybagadonutz wrote:

Mar 5, 2019 -- 6:37PM, luvdayanks wrote:

Mar 5, 2019 -- 6:26PM, Joeybagadonutz wrote:

Apparently he's never heard of shaking off.

And why were his splits home and  away  so different? Did  he throw fewer sliders away where he was very good and more sliders at home where he stunk? I call BS on this one.

He's a fly ball pitcher that flat out stunk. I think NYS got into his head, he walked guys and gave up big hits for lots of runs. He can't handle NY. Seems like he's a guy that's quick to point a finger as opposed to looking into a mirror. I'm happy to see him go, he was an all around poor fit with this team and generally a waste of a roster spot. Enjoy the chili in Cinci!

Well said, Joey, but I still wouldn't be too quick in dismissing Gray's criticism, even if it's partly self-serving. I think some of his problems can be traced back to Rothschild's philosophy of pitching. Gray's not the first pitcher to suffer a letdown in performance here and then somehow recover his talent on a different team. It's not all due to the City or the ball-park or the tough NY fans. Gray pretty much kept up a good attitude while here. I just hope his comments give Cashman pause regarding keeping Rothschild after this season.

I can't disagree there. I'm not a Rothschild fan- I don't know what they see in him. Pedro would be a lot better or hopefully some day Pettitte or Mariano. Mariano seems content away from the game but you can see Andy has the itch. Once his kids are grown I hope they go with him and ditch the 130 year old blind man.

As far as Gray- I just don't like a guy that isn't accountable for his own performance, or more accurately- lack there of. Doesn't seem like a bad guy he's just good at inserting his foot into his mouth, which in NY gets blows up and creates more problems. Not the smartest guy in the world for sure. At the end of the day if he pitches lights out in the NL it won't prove him right, but I think he fits in Cinci a hell of a lot better than he fits in NY.

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It does raise the question whether a player should do what's asked of him (presumably what's best for the team), or do what he feels is best for him. Not many pro players are rewarded for sacrificing for the betterment of the team.