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Bird or Voit?
4 years ago  ::  Mar 08, 2019 - 11:47PM #21
CHL59
Posts: 4,399

Mar 8, 2019 -- 5:35PM, allierey wrote:


Neither===but I will settle for Voit




Settle for Voit?  Just curious, You base this on what? His performance while he was a Yankee last season? His .300 Batting average and RBI's this ST?  Hardley a guy I would "settle for".

you miss 100% of the shots you don't take.
4 years ago  ::  Mar 09, 2019 - 2:01AM #22
louisiana_lightning
Posts: 22,562

Mar 8, 2019 -- 11:47PM, CHL59 wrote:


Mar 8, 2019 -- 5:35PM, allierey wrote:


Neither===but I will settle for Voit




Settle for Voit?  Just curious, You base this on what? His performance while he was a Yankee last season? His .300 Batting average and RBI's this ST?  Hardley a guy I would "settle for".




I so want Voit to be real.  What a find if he really is who he has been thus far.

4 years ago  ::  Mar 09, 2019 - 9:38AM #23
yank0428
Posts: 18,446

Mar 8, 2019 -- 10:50AM, Joeybagadonutz wrote:


I'd really like to see what Voit can do over the course of an entire season. He was on pace for ridiculous numbers last year. I can see him being a more impactful addition than anyone else that we signed in the off season. He brought some much needed offense at 1B last year and I hope he gets the nod and plays out a full season. He's quickly become a fan favorite and rightfully so- he's fun to watch. He seems like a perfect fit in the club house as well.




Me to. I just hope that Voit has a better ST then Bird. If not although Cashman said it's Voits job to lose I think if it's a close battle with this heavily RH weighted lineup they give it to Bird. They shouldn't because Voit hits righties and goes the other way with power. I like the enthusiasm he brings to the team.


  I like Bird but at this point now it's when is he going to get hurt.

4 years ago  ::  Mar 09, 2019 - 10:46AM #24
Paterson
Posts: 9,146

Mar 9, 2019 -- 9:38AM, yank0428 wrote:


Mar 8, 2019 -- 10:50AM, Joeybagadonutz wrote:


I'd really like to see what Voit can do over the course of an entire season. He was on pace for ridiculous numbers last year. I can see him being a more impactful addition than anyone else that we signed in the off season. He brought some much needed offense at 1B last year and I hope he gets the nod and plays out a full season. He's quickly become a fan favorite and rightfully so- he's fun to watch. He seems like a perfect fit in the club house as well.




Me to. I just hope that Voit has a better ST then Bird. If not although Cashman said it's Voits job to lose I think if it's a close battle with this heavily RH weighted lineup they give it to Bird. They shouldn't because Voit hits righties and goes the other way with power. I like the enthusiasm he brings to the team.


  I like Bird but at this point now it's when is he going to get hurt.




    I feel the same way. I know it isn't fair. In  my layman's ignorance, I think guys with foot injuries are prone to more foot injuries and they are going to derail his career. I still want to see either of them catch up with an elite fastball before I am sold that I have first base covered for the next eight years. 

4 years ago  ::  Mar 09, 2019 - 11:03AM #25
nost
Posts: 324

I'd like to see what Volt can do for an entire year.  I'd really like a LH hitting first baseman but I def don't wanna it to be Bird.

4 years ago  ::  Mar 09, 2019 - 1:07PM #26
yank0428
Posts: 18,446

Mar 9, 2019 -- 10:46AM, Paterson wrote:


Mar 9, 2019 -- 9:38AM, yank0428 wrote:


Mar 8, 2019 -- 10:50AM, Joeybagadonutz wrote:


I'd really like to see what Voit can do over the course of an entire season. He was on pace for ridiculous numbers last year. I can see him being a more impactful addition than anyone else that we signed in the off season. He brought some much needed offense at 1B last year and I hope he gets the nod and plays out a full season. He's quickly become a fan favorite and rightfully so- he's fun to watch. He seems like a perfect fit in the club house as well.




Me to. I just hope that Voit has a better ST then Bird. If not although Cashman said it's Voits job to lose I think if it's a close battle with this heavily RH weighted lineup they give it to Bird. They shouldn't because Voit hits righties and goes the other way with power. I like the enthusiasm he brings to the team.


  I like Bird but at this point now it's when is he going to get hurt.




    I feel the same way. I know it isn't fair. In  my layman's ignorance, I think guys with foot injuries are prone to more foot injuries and they are going to derail his career. I still want to see either of them catch up with an elite fastball before I am sold that I have first base covered for the next eight years. 




No doubt Pat. I was very happy with Voit did in that time frame but of course there are still questions . He is I think 28 this year so you wonder what took so long.He looked great last year. Hopefully just a late bloomer and Cashman hit the lottery.


 I thought Bird was going to be real good. It's been downhill since he had that great ST and got hurt right away. Have to wonder if injuries have taken there toll and he obviously is injury prone. Hard to change that around.

4 years ago  ::  Mar 09, 2019 - 2:57PM #27
CHL59
Posts: 4,399

Mar 9, 2019 -- 2:01AM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


Mar 8, 2019 -- 11:47PM, CHL59 wrote:


Mar 8, 2019 -- 5:35PM, allierey wrote:


Neither===but I will settle for Voit




Settle for Voit?  Just curious, You base this on what? His performance while he was a Yankee last season? His .300 Batting average and RBI's this ST?  Hardley a guy I would "settle for".




I so want Voit to be real.  What a find if he really is who he has been thus far.




So do I. I can't put my finger on it, but something tells me this guys the real deal. The way he handles himself just tells me he is a winner who is estatic to be a Yankee.. He embraces his team mates and the fans. His bad luck injury ruined his chance at football, and he now wants baseball to be where he uses all his athletic abilities and he loves it here in NY, the fans, and being a Yankee. Gotta root for a guy like that! Not to mention how hard he crushes baseballs.

you miss 100% of the shots you don't take.
4 years ago  ::  Mar 09, 2019 - 3:51PM #28
maplebats
Posts: 861

The Yankees should go with Voit until Voit proves otherwise. Meanwhile, Bird should spend significant time in the minors getting his body and mind in better shape. Look, Bird is a career .214 hitter in 659 plate appearances. How long can he get by on the "was hurt" excuse? He's struck out 173 times in 176 games. He's got a career OBP of .302. What exactly has he proven other than he is neither productive nor durable? I'm not intrigued by his spring training numbers. We've seen it before from Bird and we know how that story ends. I'm not happy that Bird is what he is. I consider Bird to be a tremendous disappoint and a significant setback in the construction of this lineup. It's tough to lose what was expected to be a solid lefty bat in the middle of the lineup, but I've seen enough of Bird at the major league level for now. Let him establish himself at the minor league level for now. Voit has earned the position and he has created an interest. I'm sure there are many Yankees fans and Yankees front office personnel who want to take a long look at Voit to see if his two months with the Yankees in 2018 were just a fluke or just the beginning of a fine Yankees career.

4 years ago  ::  Mar 10, 2019 - 10:40AM #29
yank0428
Posts: 18,446

Mar 9, 2019 -- 3:51PM, maplebats wrote:


The Yankees should go with Voit until Voit proves otherwise. Meanwhile, Bird should spend significant time in the minors getting his body and mind in better shape. Look, Bird is a career .214 hitter in 659 plate appearances. How long can he get by on the "was hurt" excuse? He's struck out 173 times in 176 games. He's got a career OBP of .302. What exactly has he proven other than he is neither productive nor durable? I'm not intrigued by his spring training numbers. We've seen it before from Bird and we know how that story ends. I'm not happy that Bird is what he is. I consider Bird to be a tremendous disappoint and a significant setback in the construction of this lineup. It's tough to lose what was expected to be a solid lefty bat in the middle of the lineup, but I've seen enough of Bird at the major league level for now. Let him establish himself at the minor league level for now. Voit has earned the position and he has created an interest. I'm sure there are many Yankees fans and Yankees front office personnel who want to take a long look at Voit to see if his two months with the Yankees in 2018 were just a fluke or just the beginning of a fine Yankees career.




I agree Maple. As long as Voit has a good ST it should happen. He has shown more in those 2 months then Bird has in those 659 plate appearances. I do think Bird has talent and a good swing . I think his injuries have been a big reason for those numbers but he still has to prove himself. Nothing should be handed to him because he was here longer and hits LH.

4 years ago  ::  Mar 10, 2019 - 3:52PM #30
CHL59
Posts: 4,399

Mar 10, 2019 -- 10:40AM, yank0428 wrote:


Mar 9, 2019 -- 3:51PM, maplebats wrote:


The Yankees should go with Voit until Voit proves otherwise. Meanwhile, Bird should spend significant time in the minors getting his body and mind in better shape. Look, Bird is a career .214 hitter in 659 plate appearances. How long can he get by on the "was hurt" excuse? He's struck out 173 times in 176 games. He's got a career OBP of .302. What exactly has he proven other than he is neither productive nor durable? I'm not intrigued by his spring training numbers. We've seen it before from Bird and we know how that story ends. I'm not happy that Bird is what he is. I consider Bird to be a tremendous disappoint and a significant setback in the construction of this lineup. It's tough to lose what was expected to be a solid lefty bat in the middle of the lineup, but I've seen enough of Bird at the major league level for now. Let him establish himself at the minor league level for now. Voit has earned the position and he has created an interest. I'm sure there are many Yankees fans and Yankees front office personnel who want to take a long look at Voit to see if his two months with the Yankees in 2018 were just a fluke or just the beginning of a fine Yankees career.




I agree Maple. As long as Voit has a good ST it should happen. He has shown more in those 2 months then Bird has in those 659 plate appearances. I do think Bird has talent and a good swing . I think his injuries have been a big reason for those numbers but he still has to prove himself. Nothing should be handed to him because he was here longer and hits LH.




I wonder how many MLB players this decade have been with a club for three seasons and averaged .214, been on the DL most of 2 of those three years, and are still with their  club, when they had a guy in the wings who came up and did what Voit did. Now I understand they are in love with Bird, and the analytics, the scouts who found him, and Cashman himself, figure this guy is the next Don Mattingly, but honestly, I just don't see it. Voit is feeling the pressure to perform, and  IMO Cashman and Boone saying he had the job, and then back peddled when Bird started to hit a bit, are just making it tougher on the guy.


I wonder what they were watching when Voit came up, and mashed like he was Mickey Mantle for a few months? I wonder if they saw the entire team on the  dugout rail watching his every at bat like they were little kids, while Bird was nowhere to be found near first base. I wonder if they remember they gave Luke the shot because Bird was stinking the joint up and Luke came through. I guess I was watching something different then they were.


I hope Bird hits .350, with 10 homeruns by the end of ST, I really do, but I think if he does, he will be worn out and be back on the DL, and Luke will be mashing and raking somewhere else. If that happens I hope Cashman is held accountable for once. Sorry I sound bitter over this but ya Know what, I haven't forgotten how Birds horrible AB's, and DL stints, hurt this team and how Voit jacked this team up, and help get them into the playoffs. 

you miss 100% of the shots you don't take.
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