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4 years ago  ::  Mar 08, 2019 - 7:43AM #1
tonythewiz
Posts: 145
Look I am no Cashman fan, and anyone that knows me,  know that he was just George's puppet as GM and the Boss just really gave him one job and that was the draft. Cashman in my book never ever earned his position and he got the job only because Cashmans father ran Georges Horse Stables. But Cashman always stated that Pitching was his Forte. Well in my book he destroyed Hughes and Chamberlain the way he handled them and his pitching pick ups from free agency have mostly been horrible. Sabathia signing was the Boss but he picks up leftovers like Sergio Mitre, Alan Embre, Brett Tomko, Chan Ho Park, Javier Vasquez not once but twice, Remember Jonathan Albaladejo, Chris Capuano, Jamie Garcia and Lance Lynn. I give him that he got Chapman and signed Tanaka but he also traded for Gray.  For me his specialty is not a specialty. Now he has this love affair with Cessa and wasted a roster spot on him but lets a pitcher like A.J. Cole leave. Look I get that Cole wasn't great with the Nationals but he was a starter and he was 3 and 1 with a 4.26 ERA  with us. Was he the answer now with Severino Down? Maybe not but I am sure I rather have this 6:4 240LB pitcher who throws heat than Cessa on my roster. For me Cashman is just Clueless. We had 5 starters but did we really think Sabathia with his injury problems was going to last. And without our best pitching prospect gone, and Losainga up and down, and German who I love can't seem to know where his ball goes, we needed a pitcher. And to top it off Toronto signs Clay Buchholz 6 days ago who went 7 and 2 with Arizona and a 2.12 ERA. For Me Cashman sits home and doesn't do his work!!    
   
4 years ago  ::  Mar 08, 2019 - 8:46AM #2
bomberhojoe
Posts: 15,402

I agree Cashman has not impressed with building a rotation. Sabathia was the highlight of his starting pitcher pickups, IMO and he was pretty much a no brainer. Hopefully, Happ and Paxton perform.

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4 years ago  ::  Mar 08, 2019 - 10:48AM #3
felipe27point5
Posts: 2,645

Mar 8, 2019 -- 7:43AM, tonythewiz wrote:

Well in my book he destroyed Hughes and Chamberlain the way he handled them and his pitching pick ups from free agency have mostly been horrible. Sabathia signing was the Boss but he picks up leftovers like Sergio Mitre, Alan Embre, Brett Tomko, Chan Ho Park, Javier Vasquez not once but twice, Remember Jonathan Albaladejo, Chris Capuano, Jamie Garcia and Lance Lynn. I give him that he got Chapman and signed Tanaka but he also traded for Gray.  For me his specialty is not a specialty. Now he has this love affair with Cessa and wasted a roster spot on him but lets a pitcher like A.J. Cole leave. Look I get that Cole wasn't great with the Nationals but he was a starter and he was 3 and 1 with a 4.26 ERA  with us. Was he the answer now with Severino Down? Maybe not but I am sure I rather have this 6:4 240LB pitcher who throws heat than Cessa on my roster. For me Cashman is just Clueless. We had 5 starters but did we really think Sabathia with his injury problems was going to last. And without our best pitching prospect gone, and Losainga up and down, and German who I love can't seem to know where his ball goes, we needed a pitcher. And to top it off Toronto signs Clay Buchholz 6 days ago who went 7 and 2 with Arizona and a 2.12 ERA. For Me Cashman sits home and doesn't do his work!!    
   



Injuries destroyed Hughes and Chamberlain. Hughes was injured during his second career MLB start, was that cashman's fault? And Joba suffered an arm injury awkwardly falling away from a throw down to second and was never the same after. Injuries happen dude


You can list all the bad examples and i can list Freddy Garcia, Bartolo Colon, Shawn Chacon, Kerry Wood, Aaron small, Brandon McCarthy, and all the questionable "who dat?!?" pitching acquisitions that turned out very well for the Yankees. But do you really want to complain this much about Brett Tomko's 20 IP from a decade ago? That's the hill you want to plant your flag on?


AJ Cole is a mediocre bullpen pitcher, Luis Cessa can start. If we need somebody to pitch the low leverage situations like Cole did, Cessa can probably also pitch to a mid 4's ERA in those situations. AJ Freakin Cole... career 4-8 with a 5.48 ERA as a starter. Yup, he's the "one that got away"


Clay Buccholz has almost as many seasons with an ERA+ well below average as he has with one above average. Are you getting Arizona clay, or 5.34 ERA in 170+ Innings clay?

You are welcome to recall my posts when it becomes that i'm proven wrong as long as we judge it on the merits of what we knew to be true at the time it was posted.
4 years ago  ::  Mar 08, 2019 - 10:49AM #4
felipe27point5
Posts: 2,645

Mar 8, 2019 -- 8:46AM, bomberhojoe wrote:


I agree Cashman has not impressed with building a rotation. Sabathia was the highlight of his starting pitcher pickups, IMO and he was pretty much a no brainer. Hopefully, Happ and Paxton perform.




You think Sabbathia > Paxton? 

You are welcome to recall my posts when it becomes that i'm proven wrong as long as we judge it on the merits of what we knew to be true at the time it was posted.
4 years ago  ::  Mar 08, 2019 - 11:21AM #5
cleanuphtr12
Posts: 1,272

Mar 8, 2019 -- 10:49AM, felipe27point5 wrote:


Mar 8, 2019 -- 8:46AM, bomberhojoe wrote:


I agree Cashman has not impressed with building a rotation. Sabathia was the highlight of his starting pitcher pickups, IMO and he was pretty much a no brainer. Hopefully, Happ and Paxton perform.




You think Sabbathia > Paxton? 





He's probably talking about overall pitching acquisitions over the course of Cashman's career.

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4 years ago  ::  Mar 08, 2019 - 11:27AM #6
felipe27point5
Posts: 2,645

Mar 8, 2019 -- 11:21AM, cleanuphtr12 wrote:


Mar 8, 2019 -- 10:49AM, felipe27point5 wrote:


Mar 8, 2019 -- 8:46AM, bomberhojoe wrote:


I agree Cashman has not impressed with building a rotation. Sabathia was the highlight of his starting pitcher pickups, IMO and he was pretty much a no brainer. Hopefully, Happ and Paxton perform.




You think Sabbathia > Paxton? 





He's probably talking about overall pitching acquisitions over the course of Cashman's career.




Fair enough, i accept that logic.


The thing is the best pickups are usually no brainer ones. But let's pretend people weren't complaining about CC during the lean years

You are welcome to recall my posts when it becomes that i'm proven wrong as long as we judge it on the merits of what we knew to be true at the time it was posted.
4 years ago  ::  Mar 08, 2019 - 11:44AM #7
bomberhojoe
Posts: 15,402

Mar 8, 2019 -- 10:49AM, felipe27point5 wrote:


Mar 8, 2019 -- 8:46AM, bomberhojoe wrote:


I agree Cashman has not impressed with building a rotation. Sabathia was the highlight of his starting pitcher pickups, IMO and he was pretty much a no brainer. Hopefully, Happ and Paxton perform.




You think Sabbathia > Paxton? 




I meant Sabathia when the Yankees got him in 2009. At this point, I hope Paxton pitches better than CC.

John 3:16 * Ephesians 2:8-9 * Romans 10:9-10 * John 14:3-6 * Romans 5:8
4 years ago  ::  Mar 08, 2019 - 11:52AM #8
felipe27point5
Posts: 2,645

Mar 8, 2019 -- 11:44AM, bomberhojoe wrote:


Mar 8, 2019 -- 10:49AM, felipe27point5 wrote:


Mar 8, 2019 -- 8:46AM, bomberhojoe wrote:


I agree Cashman has not impressed with building a rotation. Sabathia was the highlight of his starting pitcher pickups, IMO and he was pretty much a no brainer. Hopefully, Happ and Paxton perform.




You think Sabbathia > Paxton? 




I meant Sabathia when the Yankees got him in 2009. At this point, I hope Paxton pitches better than CC.




Ya, i got that now, sorry to have emisunderstood


Still, did people have that feeling about CC in 2013-2015 when he pitched to an ERA+ of 83? In the end, i agree that the contract was basically exactly fair for both sides, but there was a time when CC was an albatross contract for a bad player

You are welcome to recall my posts when it becomes that i'm proven wrong as long as we judge it on the merits of what we knew to be true at the time it was posted.
4 years ago  ::  Mar 08, 2019 - 12:41PM #9
bomberhojoe
Posts: 15,402

Mar 8, 2019 -- 11:52AM, felipe27point5 wrote:


Mar 8, 2019 -- 11:44AM, bomberhojoe wrote:


Mar 8, 2019 -- 10:49AM, felipe27point5 wrote:


Mar 8, 2019 -- 8:46AM, bomberhojoe wrote:


I agree Cashman has not impressed with building a rotation. Sabathia was the highlight of his starting pitcher pickups, IMO and he was pretty much a no brainer. Hopefully, Happ and Paxton perform.




You think Sabbathia > Paxton? 




I meant Sabathia when the Yankees got him in 2009. At this point, I hope Paxton pitches better than CC.




Ya, i got that now, sorry to have emisunderstood


Still, did people have that feeling about CC in 2013-2015 when he pitched to an ERA+ of 83? In the end, i agree that the contract was basically exactly fair for both sides, but there was a time when CC was an albatross contract for a bad player




Unfortunately, teams now feel they have to players several years beyond their decline iin order to sign them. If it were my money, I wouldn't give any player more than 5 years. Granted, I probably would miss out on players who were given those extra years from other teams. But maybe it would mean you get a team filled with second tier stars rather than a few big stars and average/below average MLB players.

John 3:16 * Ephesians 2:8-9 * Romans 10:9-10 * John 14:3-6 * Romans 5:8
4 years ago  ::  Mar 08, 2019 - 1:00PM #10
felipe27point5
Posts: 2,645

Mar 8, 2019 -- 12:41PM, bomberhojoe wrote:



Unfortunately, teams now feel they have to {sign} players several years beyond their decline iin order to sign them. If it were my money, I wouldn't give any player more than 5 years. Granted, I probably would miss out on players who were given those extra years from other teams. But maybe it would mean you get a team filled with second tier stars rather than a few big stars and average/below average MLB players.




Depending on the player, heck yeah you have to. No harper, no machado, no trout, no corbin


I don't understand the logic of limiting at 5 years though. Would you rather sign a guy for 5/150, or 7 at 150? Or 10 at 150? If i can use years to lower AAV, why wouldn't i do that? If i have to DFA a guy in year 6, i've still paid him 150 for 5, i've just deferred some of the payments. I would totally game the system like that


Let's say for Harper, the Yankees had offered him 15 years and 330. He might have taken that deal, and you'd have an extra 3+ million towards luxuy tax limit. Cut him in year 10 for all i care, but it would have probably worked out cheaper than offering him 280 for 7 when you factor in luxury tax and the net present value

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