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4 years ago  ::  Mar 14, 2019 - 11:05AM #11
Stewie
Posts: 2,450

Mar 14, 2019 -- 10:02AM, cleanuphtr12 wrote:


Mar 13, 2019 -- 9:15PM, Paterson wrote:


    I don't think this pitching staff has enough innings in them to win the division. 





I think you're a much more reasonable poster than some of the folks complaining about the pitching, so I'll address this to you. You're probably right. The current starting rotation probably isn't going to be enough... and that isn't really a problem. Teams don't build "World Series Caliber" rotations entering spring training, and even if they do intend to they are still probably going to end up needing help by the trade deadline.



Think about it.  The Red Sox needed to go out and add Eovaldi last year.  The Astros needed to get Verlander.  The Royals traded for Cueto in 2015.  There's plenty of examples.



The best strategy seems to be to bring a good rotation to camp with some depth to hold the team over during minor injuries, then to make a trade at the deadline to reinforce.  I believe the Yankees have the first two componenets of this strategy.  They'll add at the deadline if they have to.




"I believe the Yankees have the first two componenets of this strategy."


I don't.  The last week (or month) of the season is no more important than the first.  The Yankees have to be at full strength, firing on all cylinders from day one.  They can't afford to hope for the best with second-rate pitching until the end of July and then hope they can snag meaningful pitching assets to help them to the promised land.  Now is the time.  If you don't have the home grown talent to comprise a strong rotation (right now it doesn't appear they do) then get that talent by any means ASAP, without surrendering Florial-level prospects. 

4 years ago  ::  Mar 14, 2019 - 11:23AM #12
nost
Posts: 324

Mar 14, 2019 -- 11:05AM, Stewie wrote:


Mar 14, 2019 -- 10:02AM, cleanuphtr12 wrote:


Mar 13, 2019 -- 9:15PM, Paterson wrote:


    I don't think this pitching staff has enough innings in them to win the division. 





I think you're a much more reasonable poster than some of the folks complaining about the pitching, so I'll address this to you. You're probably right. The current starting rotation probably isn't going to be enough... and that isn't really a problem. Teams don't build "World Series Caliber" rotations entering spring training, and even if they do intend to they are still probably going to end up needing help by the trade deadline.



Think about it.  The Red Sox needed to go out and add Eovaldi last year.  The Astros needed to get Verlander.  The Royals traded for Cueto in 2015.  There's plenty of examples.



The best strategy seems to be to bring a good rotation to camp with some depth to hold the team over during minor injuries, then to make a trade at the deadline to reinforce.  I believe the Yankees have the first two componenets of this strategy.  They'll add at the deadline if they have to.




"I believe the Yankees have the first two componenets of this strategy."


I don't.  The last week (or month) of the season is no more important than the first.  The Yankees have to be at full strength, firing on all cylinders from day one.  They can't afford to hope for the best with second-rate pitching until the end of July and then hope they can snag meaningful pitching assets to help them to the promised land.  Now is the time.  If you don't have the home grown talent to comprise a strong rotation (right now it doesn't appear they do) then get that talent by any means ASAP, without surrendering Florial-level prospects. 





This




How anyone here is against the Yankees since last year signing a top flight SP is totally crazy!  The Yankees STILL need a top flight Sp and they just keep juggling crap in AAA to start 30+ games.  Once again they are in the same boat as last year!  There were sevel FA this off season the Yankees should have went to but insdead they rush to bring back CC.  When is this team ever going to move on from these old men?



Does anyone remember G Cole?  Alex Cobb?  They couldn't and never put anything together for SP.




The Yankees need SP and as he said we should wait till the trade deadline for an other fillin?  Games lost in April are important.  I don't think anyone on this roster will win past 13 games this year with the current rotation.



We''ll just keep waiting on CC and also hope the mouse in LF can hit himself outta a paper bag.



Current rotation - They will fall once again in the PS.

4 years ago  ::  Mar 14, 2019 - 11:25AM #13
bruner4329
Posts: 4,957

Mar 14, 2019 -- 12:37AM, davis2 wrote:


Mar 13, 2019 -- 9:25PM, bruner4329 wrote:


Mar 13, 2019 -- 9:05PM, nyyrocks84 wrote:


I don't think the Yanks have to do anything else....unless Severino has a significant setback and is out much longer than late April/early May. If that happens, I could see them going after someone like Gio.....




OK so you are happy with 2 of the following 3 in the starting rotation at the start of the season: Cessa, German and Loaisiga!! If so I have a bridge to sell you. the latter 2 have struggled thi sspring and Cessa is having the typical fool you spring. looks good and then first time he pitches line score will be 3 inning spitched, 5 runs given up and lets use up th eentire bullpen. Not buying it anymore. Tired of the SOS every year with the starting rotation. The fact that Luis Cessa is even on this roster is a joke.



Hey bruner, I'm not sure any of us would be happy with Cessa German or Loaisiga making multiple starts at this point. If Cessa keeps it together, and German keeps it together, we can get by. I think we are going to be stuck with those two, because the FO doesn't seem ready to do anything to help. Guess it's time for the kids to get it done.  They need to know it's time for them to produce, or be gone!





Games lost in April are just as important as games lost in August/September. Does anyone remember last year when we got off to a horrible start and then played catch up the rest of the way. Yeah we hit a hot streak and caught the Red Sox but then they pulled away again. Do we really want to try that route again?

4 years ago  ::  Mar 14, 2019 - 11:25AM #14
cleanuphtr12
Posts: 1,272

Mar 14, 2019 -- 11:05AM, Stewie wrote:


Mar 14, 2019 -- 10:02AM, cleanuphtr12 wrote:


Mar 13, 2019 -- 9:15PM, Paterson wrote:


    I don't think this pitching staff has enough innings in them to win the division. 





I think you're a much more reasonable poster than some of the folks complaining about the pitching, so I'll address this to you. You're probably right. The current starting rotation probably isn't going to be enough... and that isn't really a problem. Teams don't build "World Series Caliber" rotations entering spring training, and even if they do intend to they are still probably going to end up needing help by the trade deadline.



Think about it.  The Red Sox needed to go out and add Eovaldi last year.  The Astros needed to get Verlander.  The Royals traded for Cueto in 2015.  There's plenty of examples.



The best strategy seems to be to bring a good rotation to camp with some depth to hold the team over during minor injuries, then to make a trade at the deadline to reinforce.  I believe the Yankees have the first two componenets of this strategy.  They'll add at the deadline if they have to.




"I believe the Yankees have the first two componenets of this strategy."


I don't.  The last week (or month) of the season is no more important than the first.  The Yankees have to be at full strength, firing on all cylinders from day one.  They can't afford to hope for the best with second-rate pitching until the end of July and then hope they can snag meaningful pitching assets to help them to the promised land.  Now is the time.  If you don't have the home grown talent to comprise a strong rotation (right now it doesn't appear they do) then get that talent by any means ASAP, without surrendering Florial-level prospects. 





Their pitching isn't second rate.  That is a false narrative.  If healthy, it is going to be one of the top rotations in the sport.  Health is the concern, not talent.

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4 years ago  ::  Mar 14, 2019 - 11:30AM #15
cleanuphtr12
Posts: 1,272

Mar 14, 2019 -- 11:23AM, nost wrote:


Mar 14, 2019 -- 11:05AM, Stewie wrote:


Mar 14, 2019 -- 10:02AM, cleanuphtr12 wrote:


Mar 13, 2019 -- 9:15PM, Paterson wrote:


    I don't think this pitching staff has enough innings in them to win the division. 





I think you're a much more reasonable poster than some of the folks complaining about the pitching, so I'll address this to you. You're probably right. The current starting rotation probably isn't going to be enough... and that isn't really a problem. Teams don't build "World Series Caliber" rotations entering spring training, and even if they do intend to they are still probably going to end up needing help by the trade deadline.



Think about it.  The Red Sox needed to go out and add Eovaldi last year.  The Astros needed to get Verlander.  The Royals traded for Cueto in 2015.  There's plenty of examples.



The best strategy seems to be to bring a good rotation to camp with some depth to hold the team over during minor injuries, then to make a trade at the deadline to reinforce.  I believe the Yankees have the first two componenets of this strategy.  They'll add at the deadline if they have to.




"I believe the Yankees have the first two componenets of this strategy."


I don't.  The last week (or month) of the season is no more important than the first.  The Yankees have to be at full strength, firing on all cylinders from day one.  They can't afford to hope for the best with second-rate pitching until the end of July and then hope they can snag meaningful pitching assets to help them to the promised land.  Now is the time.  If you don't have the home grown talent to comprise a strong rotation (right now it doesn't appear they do) then get that talent by any means ASAP, without surrendering Florial-level prospects. 





This




How anyone here is against the Yankees since last year signing a top flight SP is totally crazy!  The Yankees STILL need a top flight Sp and they just keep juggling crap in AAA to start 30+ games.  Once again they are in the same boat as last year!  There were sevel FA this off season the Yankees should have went to but insdead they rush to bring back CC.  When is this team ever going to move on from these old men?



Does anyone remember G Cole?  Alex Cobb?  They couldn't and never put anything together for SP.




The Yankees need SP and as he said we should wait till the trade deadline for an other fillin?  Games lost in April are important.  I don't think anyone on this roster will win past 13 games this year with the current rotation.



We''ll just keep waiting on CC and also hope the mouse in LF can hit himself outta a paper bag.



Current rotation - They will fall once again in the PS.





Now you're complaining about not getting Alex Cobb last year....?  The dude pitched like Sonny Gray in 2018.

_______________________________________________

Please note:  I'm arguing against your post, not against you as a person.  I respect your right to have a different opinion even if I completely disagree with every word you wrote.
4 years ago  ::  Mar 14, 2019 - 11:38AM #16
nost
Posts: 324

Mar 14, 2019 -- 11:25AM, bruner4329 wrote:


Mar 14, 2019 -- 12:37AM, davis2 wrote:


Mar 13, 2019 -- 9:25PM, bruner4329 wrote:


Mar 13, 2019 -- 9:05PM, nyyrocks84 wrote:


I don't think the Yanks have to do anything else....unless Severino has a significant setback and is out much longer than late April/early May. If that happens, I could see them going after someone like Gio.....




OK so you are happy with 2 of the following 3 in the starting rotation at the start of the season: Cessa, German and Loaisiga!! If so I have a bridge to sell you. the latter 2 have struggled thi sspring and Cessa is having the typical fool you spring. looks good and then first time he pitches line score will be 3 inning spitched, 5 runs given up and lets use up th eentire bullpen. Not buying it anymore. Tired of the SOS every year with the starting rotation. The fact that Luis Cessa is even on this roster is a joke.



Hey bruner, I'm not sure any of us would be happy with Cessa German or Loaisiga making multiple starts at this point. If Cessa keeps it together, and German keeps it together, we can get by. I think we are going to be stuck with those two, because the FO doesn't seem ready to do anything to help. Guess it's time for the kids to get it done.  They need to know it's time for them to produce, or be gone!





Games lost in April are just as important as games lost in August/September. Does anyone remember last year when we got off to a horrible start and then played catch up the rest of the way. Yeah we hit a hot streak and caught the Red Sox but then they pulled away again. Do we really want to try that route again?





They already are but letting three AAA pitcjhers get all the starts.  They wouldn't be in this position if they went out and got a SP in the off season.  But oh well same ol sob story with this team.

4 years ago  ::  Mar 14, 2019 - 11:47AM #17
luvdayanks
Posts: 31,514

Mar 14, 2019 -- 11:23AM, nost wrote:


Mar 14, 2019 -- 11:05AM, Stewie wrote:


Mar 14, 2019 -- 10:02AM, cleanuphtr12 wrote:


Mar 13, 2019 -- 9:15PM, Paterson wrote:


    I don't think this pitching staff has enough innings in them to win the division. 





I think you're a much more reasonable poster than some of the folks complaining about the pitching, so I'll address this to you. You're probably right. The current starting rotation probably isn't going to be enough... and that isn't really a problem. Teams don't build "World Series Caliber" rotations entering spring training, and even if they do intend to they are still probably going to end up needing help by the trade deadline.



Think about it.  The Red Sox needed to go out and add Eovaldi last year.  The Astros needed to get Verlander.  The Royals traded for Cueto in 2015.  There's plenty of examples.



The best strategy seems to be to bring a good rotation to camp with some depth to hold the team over during minor injuries, then to make a trade at the deadline to reinforce.  I believe the Yankees have the first two componenets of this strategy.  They'll add at the deadline if they have to.




"I believe the Yankees have the first two componenets of this strategy."


I don't.  The last week (or month) of the season is no more important than the first.  The Yankees have to be at full strength, firing on all cylinders from day one.  They can't afford to hope for the best with second-rate pitching until the end of July and then hope they can snag meaningful pitching assets to help them to the promised land.  Now is the time.  If you don't have the home grown talent to comprise a strong rotation (right now it doesn't appear they do) then get that talent by any means ASAP, without surrendering Florial-level prospects. 





This




How anyone here is against the Yankees since last year signing a top flight SP is totally crazy!  The Yankees STILL need a top flight Sp and they just keep juggling crap in AAA to start 30+ games.  Once again they are in the same boat as last year!  There were sevel FA this off season the Yankees should have went to but insdead they rush to bring back CC.  When is this team ever going to move on from these old men?



Does anyone remember G Cole?  Alex Cobb?  They couldn't and never put anything together for SP.




The Yankees need SP and as he said we should wait till the trade deadline for an other fillin?  Games lost in April are important.  I don't think anyone on this roster will win past 13 games this year with the current rotation.



We''ll just keep waiting on CC and also hope the mouse in LF can hit himself outta a paper bag.



Current rotation - They will fall once again in the PS.




How is Gardie doing in ST?


When is the last time an opening day rotation was the same half way though the season ? They'll adjust as needed during the season. Also, the Yankees don't really need a fifth starter for the first couple of weeks due to off days and their playing a soft schedule the first 4 series, Baltimore twice White Sox and Tigers. They obviously can't lay an egg against these teams and have to make hay while the sun shines. I think we may see German or Loigasa in a couple of those games hoping they can limit the damage and turn it over to the bullpen. I don't see a need to panic to try and sign another starter at this point. That may change later.

4 years ago  ::  Mar 14, 2019 - 1:15PM #18
jimwest
Posts: 5,263

Mar 14, 2019 -- 11:25AM, bruner4329 wrote:


Mar 14, 2019 -- 12:37AM, davis2 wrote:


Mar 13, 2019 -- 9:25PM, bruner4329 wrote:


Mar 13, 2019 -- 9:05PM, nyyrocks84 wrote:


I don't think the Yanks have to do anything else....unless Severino has a significant setback and is out much longer than late April/early May. If that happens, I could see them going after someone like Gio.....




OK so you are happy with 2 of the following 3 in the starting rotation at the start of the season: Cessa, German and Loaisiga!! If so I have a bridge to sell you. the latter 2 have struggled thi sspring and Cessa is having the typical fool you spring. looks good and then first time he pitches line score will be 3 inning spitched, 5 runs given up and lets use up th eentire bullpen. Not buying it anymore. Tired of the SOS every year with the starting rotation. The fact that Luis Cessa is even on this roster is a joke.



Hey bruner, I'm not sure any of us would be happy with Cessa German or Loaisiga making multiple starts at this point. If Cessa keeps it together, and German keeps it together, we can get by. I think we are going to be stuck with those two, because the FO doesn't seem ready to do anything to help. Guess it's time for the kids to get it done.  They need to know it's time for them to produce, or be gone!





Games lost in April are just as important as games lost in August/September. Does anyone remember last year when we got off to a horrible start and then played catch up the rest of the way. Yeah we hit a hot streak and caught the Red Sox but then they pulled away again. Do we really want to try that route again?




The Yanks got off to a 9-9 start, mediocre, not horrible. Boston was 16-2 after 18 games, which was a really tremendous start. But with 144 games remaining, that hardly decided the season. It was much more Boston's consistent play for the rest of the year than the Yanks lack of same that did.


And all the best teams in MLB will lose about 55-65 games a season. Obsessing about losing any games in April is illogical. Far more seasons have been won or lost down the Aug-Sep stretch than early in a year.

4 years ago  ::  Mar 14, 2019 - 3:04PM #19
qimqam
Posts: 469

Mar 13, 2019 -- 7:33PM, tonythewiz wrote:


      With the Season almost starting and us watching some of the Spring Training games what free agent that is still out there that you would either interview or eventually sign for the yankees now. With pitching always needed and with Hicks and Severino's injury I am giving you a list of players who are left that you might consider. Or you can just stay pat. So the list includes Dallas Keuchel, Gio Gonzalez, James Shields, Bartolo Colon, Yovani Gallardo, Chris Tillman Carlos Gonzalez, Chris Young or Denard Spahn.  Just want to see what you think.




Keuchel would be a top 2 or 3 pitcher on this team depending upon Severinos recovery ... so yeah 


The rest of them are just artificial fillers 


Dont want any of those crap outfielders ... rather have ellsbury or frazier

4 years ago  ::  Mar 14, 2019 - 3:11PM #20
nost
Posts: 324

Mar 14, 2019 -- 3:04PM, qimqam wrote:


Mar 13, 2019 -- 7:33PM, tonythewiz wrote:


      With the Season almost starting and us watching some of the Spring Training games what free agent that is still out there that you would either interview or eventually sign for the yankees now. With pitching always needed and with Hicks and Severino's injury I am giving you a list of players who are left that you might consider. Or you can just stay pat. So the list includes Dallas Keuchel, Gio Gonzalez, James Shields, Bartolo Colon, Yovani Gallardo, Chris Tillman Carlos Gonzalez, Chris Young or Denard Spahn.  Just want to see what you think.




Keuchel would be a top 2 or 3 pitcher on this team depending upon Severinos recovery ... so yeah 


The rest of them are just artificial fillers 


Dont want any of those crap outfielders ... rather have ellsbury or frazier





Yankees better go out and get a SP tomorrow or their stuck with three junkboxes of SP most of the season. & it better not be 200 pitches Gio Gon.

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