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Yankees and Remaining Free Agents
4 years ago  ::  Mar 14, 2019 - 4:11PM #21
FW57Clipper51
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reading several posts. Some people seemed to forget that Verlander had a No Trade Clause Contract with the Tigers. Also it did come out later that the Yankees trade talks with the GM Pirates revealed that Pittsburgh wanted Gleyber Torres and Miguel Andujar as the main part of any trade with the Yankees for Bucs starter G. Cole, something that Yankees GM Cashman wisely walked from.



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4 years ago  ::  Mar 14, 2019 - 4:31PM #22
cleanuphtr12
Posts: 1,272

Mar 14, 2019 -- 3:04PM, qimqam wrote:


Mar 13, 2019 -- 7:33PM, tonythewiz wrote:


      With the Season almost starting and us watching some of the Spring Training games what free agent that is still out there that you would either interview or eventually sign for the yankees now. With pitching always needed and with Hicks and Severino's injury I am giving you a list of players who are left that you might consider. Or you can just stay pat. So the list includes Dallas Keuchel, Gio Gonzalez, James Shields, Bartolo Colon, Yovani Gallardo, Chris Tillman Carlos Gonzalez, Chris Young or Denard Spahn.  Just want to see what you think.




Keuchel would be a top 2 or 3 pitcher on this team depending upon Severinos recovery ... so yeah 


The rest of them are just artificial fillers 


Dont want any of those crap outfielders ... rather have ellsbury or frazier




That is straight up nonsense.  Sorry.



Keuchel had a 3.74 ERA last season, which puts him in the same boat as Tanaka, Happ and Keuchel but that is where the comparisons end.  His strikeouts have been trending in the wrong direction for years, his velocity is decreasing, hard hit ball rate is up.  He's declining as a pitcher.  He had a very good season in 2017 but a very poor one in 2016.  There's nothing there that says this guy is a top of the rotation starter anymore, and if he was on this team he'd very clearly be the #4 guy until Sevy and CC returned.  Once those guys are back, you have a more compelling argument about which soft-tossing lefty goes to the bullpen than whether Keuchel is the #2.  



And this is why I don't advocate for adding him.  He's an innings eater but he's trending in the wrong direction.  When you "add a player" at the deadline you want a difference maker, not an innings eater.  Keep that spot open for a guy that can actually impact the team instead of giving it to a "name you guys know".


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4 years ago  ::  Mar 14, 2019 - 4:39PM #23
bruner4329
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Mar 14, 2019 -- 1:15PM, jimwest wrote:


Mar 14, 2019 -- 11:25AM, bruner4329 wrote:


Mar 14, 2019 -- 12:37AM, davis2 wrote:


Mar 13, 2019 -- 9:25PM, bruner4329 wrote:


Mar 13, 2019 -- 9:05PM, nyyrocks84 wrote:


I don't think the Yanks have to do anything else....unless Severino has a significant setback and is out much longer than late April/early May. If that happens, I could see them going after someone like Gio.....




OK so you are happy with 2 of the following 3 in the starting rotation at the start of the season: Cessa, German and Loaisiga!! If so I have a bridge to sell you. the latter 2 have struggled thi sspring and Cessa is having the typical fool you spring. looks good and then first time he pitches line score will be 3 inning spitched, 5 runs given up and lets use up th eentire bullpen. Not buying it anymore. Tired of the SOS every year with the starting rotation. The fact that Luis Cessa is even on this roster is a joke.



Hey bruner, I'm not sure any of us would be happy with Cessa German or Loaisiga making multiple starts at this point. If Cessa keeps it together, and German keeps it together, we can get by. I think we are going to be stuck with those two, because the FO doesn't seem ready to do anything to help. Guess it's time for the kids to get it done.  They need to know it's time for them to produce, or be gone!





Games lost in April are just as important as games lost in August/September. Does anyone remember last year when we got off to a horrible start and then played catch up the rest of the way. Yeah we hit a hot streak and caught the Red Sox but then they pulled away again. Do we really want to try that route again?




The Yanks got off to a 9-9 start, mediocre, not horrible. Boston was 16-2 after 18 games, which was a really tremendous start. But with 144 games remaining, that hardly decided the season. It was much more Boston's consistent play for the rest of the year than the Yanks lack of same that did.


And all the best teams in MLB will lose about 55-65 games a season. Obsessing about losing any games in April is illogical. Far more seasons have been won or lost down the Aug-Sep stretch than early in a year.




Let's see. We lost the division by 8 games and were 7 behind after 18 games. So doesn't that prove games lost in April are just as important. If you base it on that we matched them just about even the rest of the way except for 1 game. It is not illogical if the Math supports the facts.




4 years ago  ::  Mar 14, 2019 - 8:28PM #24
cleanuphtr12
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Mar 14, 2019 -- 4:39PM, bruner4329 wrote:

Mar 14, 2019 -- 1:15PM, jimwest wrote:


Mar 14, 2019 -- 11:25AM, bruner4329 wrote:


Mar 14, 2019 -- 12:37AM, davis2 wrote:


Mar 13, 2019 -- 9:25PM, bruner4329 wrote:


Mar 13, 2019 -- 9:05PM, nyyrocks84 wrote:


I don't think the Yanks have to do anything else....unless Severino has a significant setback and is out much longer than late April/early May. If that happens, I could see them going after someone like Gio.....




OK so you are happy with 2 of the following 3 in the starting rotation at the start of the season: Cessa, German and Loaisiga!! If so I have a bridge to sell you. the latter 2 have struggled thi sspring and Cessa is having the typical fool you spring. looks good and then first time he pitches line score will be 3 inning spitched, 5 runs given up and lets use up th eentire bullpen. Not buying it anymore. Tired of the SOS every year with the starting rotation. The fact that Luis Cessa is even on this roster is a joke.



Hey bruner, I'm not sure any of us would be happy with Cessa German or Loaisiga making multiple starts at this point. If Cessa keeps it together, and German keeps it together, we can get by. I think we are going to be stuck with those two, because the FO doesn't seem ready to do anything to help. Guess it's time for the kids to get it done.  They need to know it's time for them to produce, or be gone!





Games lost in April are just as important as games lost in August/September. Does anyone remember last year when we got off to a horrible start and then played catch up the rest of the way. Yeah we hit a hot streak and caught the Red Sox but then they pulled away again. Do we really want to try that route again?




The Yanks got off to a 9-9 start, mediocre, not horrible. Boston was 16-2 after 18 games, which was a really tremendous start. But with 144 games remaining, that hardly decided the season. It was much more Boston's consistent play for the rest of the year than the Yanks lack of same that did.


And all the best teams in MLB will lose about 55-65 games a season. Obsessing about losing any games in April is illogical. Far more seasons have been won or lost down the Aug-Sep stretch than early in a year.




Let's see. We lost the division by 8 games and were 7 behind after 18 games. So doesn't that prove games lost in April are just as important. If you base it on that we matched them just about even the rest of the way except for 1 game. It is not illogical if the Math supports the facts.










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They were 7 games behind because the Red Sox went 16-2.  When your main competitor plays .889 ball, you tip your cap to them. 

Furthermore, the Yankees 'rough patch' during that time resulted in .500 ball.  A .500 "rough patch" is something every fan should sign up for.  The alternative is far worse.

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4 years ago  ::  Mar 14, 2019 - 9:55PM #25
jimwest
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Mar 14, 2019 -- 4:39PM, bruner4329 wrote:


Mar 14, 2019 -- 1:15PM, jimwest wrote:


Mar 14, 2019 -- 11:25AM, bruner4329 wrote:


Mar 14, 2019 -- 12:37AM, davis2 wrote:


Mar 13, 2019 -- 9:25PM, bruner4329 wrote:


Mar 13, 2019 -- 9:05PM, nyyrocks84 wrote:


I don't think the Yanks have to do anything else....unless Severino has a significant setback and is out much longer than late April/early May. If that happens, I could see them going after someone like Gio.....




OK so you are happy with 2 of the following 3 in the starting rotation at the start of the season: Cessa, German and Loaisiga!! If so I have a bridge to sell you. the latter 2 have struggled thi sspring and Cessa is having the typical fool you spring. looks good and then first time he pitches line score will be 3 inning spitched, 5 runs given up and lets use up th eentire bullpen. Not buying it anymore. Tired of the SOS every year with the starting rotation. The fact that Luis Cessa is even on this roster is a joke.



Hey bruner, I'm not sure any of us would be happy with Cessa German or Loaisiga making multiple starts at this point. If Cessa keeps it together, and German keeps it together, we can get by. I think we are going to be stuck with those two, because the FO doesn't seem ready to do anything to help. Guess it's time for the kids to get it done.  They need to know it's time for them to produce, or be gone!





Games lost in April are just as important as games lost in August/September. Does anyone remember last year when we got off to a horrible start and then played catch up the rest of the way. Yeah we hit a hot streak and caught the Red Sox but then they pulled away again. Do we really want to try that route again?




The Yanks got off to a 9-9 start, mediocre, not horrible. Boston was 16-2 after 18 games, which was a really tremendous start. But with 144 games remaining, that hardly decided the season. It was much more Boston's consistent play for the rest of the year than the Yanks lack of same that did.


And all the best teams in MLB will lose about 55-65 games a season. Obsessing about losing any games in April is illogical. Far more seasons have been won or lost down the Aug-Sep stretch than early in a year.




Let's see. We lost the division by 8 games and were 7 behind after 18 games. So doesn't that prove games lost in April are just as important. If you base it on that we matched them just about even the rest of the way except for 1 game. It is not illogical if the Math supports the facts.




bruner, I respectfully disagree. As I wrote, all the top teams will lose the 55-65 games, and they will lose them somewhere in the season. That is guaranteed. 


There were a couple of reasons the Yanks lost the division in 2018.


First was their record within the division. The Yankees were 44-32, Boston was 52-24. There is one 8 game differential.


Second was their mediocre record in the aggregate vs 3 last place teams - Baltimore (12-7), Texas (4-3), and Miami (2-2), for a total record of 18-12. Boston vs the same 3 teams was Baltimore (16-3), Texas (6-1), and Miami (4-0), for a total record of 26-4. There is another 8 game differential.The RSox dominated the bad teams, the Yanks didn't.


Lastly, the Yankees record in April was 16-9, Boston 19-3, a mere 4 1/2 game difference. However, from Jul-Sep, the Yankees were 47-35, while Boston was 52-26, a 7 game difference.




4 years ago  ::  Mar 15, 2019 - 4:09AM #26
qwik3457
Posts: 12,673

Mar 14, 2019 -- 11:05AM, Stewie wrote:


"I believe the Yankees have the first two componenets of this strategy."


I don't.  The last week (or month) of the season is no more important than the first.  The Yankees have to be at full strength, firing on all cylinders from day one.  They can't afford to hope for the best with second-rate pitching until the end of July and then hope they can snag meaningful pitching assets to help them to the promised land.  Now is the time.  If you don't have the home grown talent to comprise a strong rotation (right now it doesn't appear they do) then get that talent by any means ASAP, without surrendering Florial-level prospects. 




You don't get a quality starter in a trade without surrendering Florial-level prospects.

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4 years ago  ::  Mar 15, 2019 - 4:22AM #27
qwik3457
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Mar 14, 2019 -- 11:23AM, nost wrote:


How anyone here is against the Yankees since last year signing a top flight SP is totally crazy!  The Yankees STILL need a top flight Sp and they just keep juggling crap in AAA to start 30+ games.  Once again they are in the same boat as last year!  There were sevel FA this off season the Yankees should have went to but insdead they rush to bring back CC.  When is this team ever going to move on from these old men?




There isn't a "top flight" SP left to "sign". Keuchel is, at best, a #3 at this point. And in front of Tutlowitzski and Andujar on the right side, it'll be a free-for-all on ground ball singles for opposing teams. The Yanks signed one of those free agents in Happ.


Mar 14, 2019 -- 11:23AM, nost wrote:


Does anyone remember G Cole?  Alex Cobb?  They couldn't and never put anything together for SP.




The Pirates demanded Andujar and another top prospect for Cole. The Yanks could've had Cole, and, with the injury to Drury it would've been Walker at 3rd.


Mar 14, 2019 -- 11:23AM, nost wrote:


The Yankees need SP and as he said we should wait till the trade deadline for an other fillin?  Games lost in April are important.  I don't think anyone on this roster will win past 13 games this year with the current rotation.




Games lost in April are important. It's possible you're right about the 13 game thing. On the other hand, the Astros won it all without anyone on stafff winning for than 14 games. The Royals won it all in 2015 without anyone winning more than 13 games. The Cards won it in 2011 without anyone winning more than 13.


Mar 14, 2019 -- 11:23AM, nost wrote:


We''ll just keep waiting on CC and also hope the mouse in LF can hit himself outta a paper bag.




CC should be back around April 10th. Gardner will likely be phased out in favor of Frazier as the year moves along.


Mar 14, 2019 -- 11:23AM, nost wrote:


Current rotation - They will fall once again in the PS.




They very well might. So will the rotations of 28 other teams, and 8 of the other 9 teams in the post-season. Last year, Houston's excellent rotation which carried them to the title in 2016 failed against the Red Sox. The Dodgers, who didn't have a pitcher win more than 11 games last year, made it to the Series, only to fail against the Red Sox.

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4 years ago  ::  Mar 15, 2019 - 4:25AM #28
qwik3457
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Mar 14, 2019 -- 11:38AM, nost wrote:


They already are but letting three AAA pitcjhers get all the starts.  They wouldn't be in this position if they went out and got a SP in the off season.  But oh well same ol sob story with this team.




Yes, the three AAA pitchers will get all the starts.


Except for Happ's


And Paxton's.


And Tanaka's.


And about 10-12 days after the season starts, CC's.


But yes, aside from that the three AAA pitchers will get all the starts.


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By the way, aren't the overwhelming majority of pitchers "AAA pitchers" before they become "Major league pitchers"?

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4 years ago  ::  Mar 15, 2019 - 4:29AM #29
qwik3457
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Mar 14, 2019 -- 4:39PM, bruner4329 wrote:


Let's see. We lost the division by 8 games and were 7 behind after 18 games. So doesn't that prove games lost in April are just as important. If you base it on that we matched them just about even the rest of the way except for 1 game. It is not illogical if the Math supports the facts.




Doesn't the fact that the Yanks caught the Sox and passed by them and built a 2 1/2 game lead as late as June 1st prove that the first 18 games didn't decide the division?


The Yanks were in trouble anyway, but the 4-game sweep by the Red sox in Boston in early August pretty much decided the division.

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4 years ago  ::  Mar 15, 2019 - 10:32AM #30
nost
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Mar 15, 2019 -- 4:25AM, qwik3457 wrote:


Mar 14, 2019 -- 11:38AM, nost wrote:


They already are but letting three AAA pitcjhers get all the starts.  They wouldn't be in this position if they went out and got a SP in the off season.  But oh well same ol sob story with this team.




Yes, the three AAA pitchers will get all the starts.


Except for Happ's


And Paxton's.


And Tanaka's.


And about 10-12 days after the season starts, CC's.


But yes, aside from that the three AAA pitchers will get all the starts.


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By the way, aren't the overwhelming majority of pitchers "AAA pitchers" before they become "Major league pitchers"?





These AAA SP shouild not be splitting 30+ starts the Yankees have done this in the past.  I rather like some others here would have liked to see the Yankees go out and grab a  make a splash in the FA market but most of the goods ones are already gone.


I honestly believe that the Yankees are not going to get a full season outta Servino I hope I'm wrong and the Yankees have no idea what's left in CCs tank.  So as the season progresses I don't like the options at AAA right now and if they gotta trade it seems all Cash knows what to do is grab crap and hope it pans out.

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