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4 years ago  ::  Mar 15, 2019 - 10:35AM #31
bruner4329
Posts: 5,066

Mar 15, 2019 -- 4:29AM, qwik3457 wrote:


Mar 14, 2019 -- 4:39PM, bruner4329 wrote:


Let's see. We lost the division by 8 games and were 7 behind after 18 games. So doesn't that prove games lost in April are just as important. If you base it on that we matched them just about even the rest of the way except for 1 game. It is not illogical if the Math supports the facts.




Doesn't the fact that the Yanks caught the Sox and passed by them and built a 2 1/2 game lead as late as June 1st prove that the first 18 games didn't decide the division?


The Yanks were in trouble anyway, but the 4-game sweep by the Red sox in Boston in early August pretty much decided the division.




No. Just like a game when a team is down 20 points, exhausts itself to get back in and then runs out of gas. Fact is every year we go into a season with a starting rotation lacking depth and we end up overusing the bullpen every year. I will say it again the fact that we are relying on Luis Cessa as a depth starter is an absolute joke.


One other point. This year again there is a good chance that both the Red Sox and Yanks will need to win 100 games to win the division so every game whether April or September plays a role. You don't want to be giving games away early that ultimately makes you come up short in the end.


4 years ago  ::  Mar 15, 2019 - 10:39AM #32
nost
Posts: 324

Mar 15, 2019 -- 10:35AM, bruner4329 wrote:


Mar 15, 2019 -- 4:29AM, qwik3457 wrote:


Mar 14, 2019 -- 4:39PM, bruner4329 wrote:


Let's see. We lost the division by 8 games and were 7 behind after 18 games. So doesn't that prove games lost in April are just as important. If you base it on that we matched them just about even the rest of the way except for 1 game. It is not illogical if the Math supports the facts.




Doesn't the fact that the Yanks caught the Sox and passed by them and built a 2 1/2 game lead as late as June 1st prove that the first 18 games didn't decide the division?


The Yanks were in trouble anyway, but the 4-game sweep by the Red sox in Boston in early August pretty much decided the division.




No. Just like a game when a team is down 20 points, exhausts itself to get back in and then runs out of gas. Fact is every year we go into a season with a starting rotation lacking depth and we end up overusing the bullpen every year. I will say it again the fact that we are relying on Luis Cessa as a depth starter is an absolute joke.


One other point. This year again there is a good chance that both the Red Sox and Yanks will need to win 100 games to win the division so every game whether April or September plays a role. You don't want to be giving games away early that ultimately makes you come up short in the end.






It seems some around here don't see the rotation for what we see it as.  I respect their opinions but how does one argue to the point that their rotationis fine when it could and shoulda gotten better this past off season...?

4 years ago  ::  Mar 15, 2019 - 11:18AM #33
cleanuphtr12
Posts: 1,272

Mar 15, 2019 -- 10:32AM, nost wrote:


Mar 15, 2019 -- 4:25AM, qwik3457 wrote:


Mar 14, 2019 -- 11:38AM, nost wrote:


They already are but letting three AAA pitcjhers get all the starts.  They wouldn't be in this position if they went out and got a SP in the off season.  But oh well same ol sob story with this team.




Yes, the three AAA pitchers will get all the starts.


Except for Happ's


And Paxton's.


And Tanaka's.


And about 10-12 days after the season starts, CC's.


But yes, aside from that the three AAA pitchers will get all the starts.


===============================


By the way, aren't the overwhelming majority of pitchers "AAA pitchers" before they become "Major league pitchers"?





These AAA SP shouild not be splitting 30+ starts the Yankees have done this in the past.  I rather like some others here would have liked to see the Yankees go out and grab a  make a splash in the FA market but most of the goods ones are already gone.


I honestly believe that the Yankees are not going to get a full season outta Servino I hope I'm wrong and the Yankees have no idea what's left in CCs tank.  So as the season progresses I don't like the options at AAA right now and if they gotta trade it seems all Cash knows what to do is grab crap and hope it pans out.




The 30 starts are generally spread out throughout random teams in the year.  Even if you go and spend big money to add Dallas Keuchel to be your 6th starter, the end result is not "Dallas Keuchel makes those 30 starts".  



No.  It's Keuchel (or CC if you're pushing him to the pen) makes 15-20 starts and nost is still whining about a AAA pitcher making 10-15 starts.  



And as Felipe has pointed out, no kidding they're not getting a full season out of Sev.  He's missing the first month.  Not exactly a bold prediction there, chum.

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Please note:  I'm arguing against your post, not against you as a person.  I respect your right to have a different opinion even if I completely disagree with every word you wrote.
4 years ago  ::  Mar 15, 2019 - 11:36AM #34
cleanuphtr12
Posts: 1,272

Mar 15, 2019 -- 10:39AM, nost wrote:


Mar 15, 2019 -- 10:35AM, bruner4329 wrote:


Mar 15, 2019 -- 4:29AM, qwik3457 wrote:


Mar 14, 2019 -- 4:39PM, bruner4329 wrote:


Let's see. We lost the division by 8 games and were 7 behind after 18 games. So doesn't that prove games lost in April are just as important. If you base it on that we matched them just about even the rest of the way except for 1 game. It is not illogical if the Math supports the facts.




Doesn't the fact that the Yanks caught the Sox and passed by them and built a 2 1/2 game lead as late as June 1st prove that the first 18 games didn't decide the division?


The Yanks were in trouble anyway, but the 4-game sweep by the Red sox in Boston in early August pretty much decided the division.




No. Just like a game when a team is down 20 points, exhausts itself to get back in and then runs out of gas. Fact is every year we go into a season with a starting rotation lacking depth and we end up overusing the bullpen every year. I will say it again the fact that we are relying on Luis Cessa as a depth starter is an absolute joke.


One other point. This year again there is a good chance that both the Red Sox and Yanks will need to win 100 games to win the division so every game whether April or September plays a role. You don't want to be giving games away early that ultimately makes you come up short in the end.






It seems some around here don't see the rotation for what we see it as.  I respect their opinions but how does one argue to the point that their rotationis fine when it could and shoulda gotten better this past off season...?





IT DID get better.  That is what you are obnoxiously unaware of...

_______________________________________________

Please note:  I'm arguing against your post, not against you as a person.  I respect your right to have a different opinion even if I completely disagree with every word you wrote.
4 years ago  ::  Mar 15, 2019 - 11:38AM #35
nost
Posts: 324

Mar 15, 2019 -- 11:18AM, cleanuphtr12 wrote:


Mar 15, 2019 -- 10:32AM, nost wrote:


Mar 15, 2019 -- 4:25AM, qwik3457 wrote:


Mar 14, 2019 -- 11:38AM, nost wrote:


They already are but letting three AAA pitcjhers get all the starts.  They wouldn't be in this position if they went out and got a SP in the off season.  But oh well same ol sob story with this team.




Yes, the three AAA pitchers will get all the starts.


Except for Happ's


And Paxton's.


And Tanaka's.


And about 10-12 days after the season starts, CC's.


But yes, aside from that the three AAA pitchers will get all the starts.


===============================


By the way, aren't the overwhelming majority of pitchers "AAA pitchers" before they become "Major league pitchers"?





These AAA SP shouild not be splitting 30+ starts the Yankees have done this in the past.  I rather like some others here would have liked to see the Yankees go out and grab a  make a splash in the FA market but most of the goods ones are already gone.


I honestly believe that the Yankees are not going to get a full season outta Servino I hope I'm wrong and the Yankees have no idea what's left in CCs tank.  So as the season progresses I don't like the options at AAA right now and if they gotta trade it seems all Cash knows what to do is grab crap and hope it pans out.




The 30 starts are generally spread out throughout random teams in the year.  Even if you go and spend big money to add Dallas Keuchel to be your 6th starter, the end result is not "Dallas Keuchel makes those 30 starts".  



No.  It's Keuchel (or CC if you're pushing him to the pen) makes 15-20 starts and nost is still whining about a AAA pitcher making 10-15 starts.  



And as Felipe has pointed out, no kidding they're not getting a full season out of Sev.  He's missing the first month.  Not exactly a bold prediction there, chum.





I'm meant to say I think he goes down at some point in the season after April.  I hope I'm toitally worng on this one.

4 years ago  ::  Mar 15, 2019 - 11:39AM #36
nost
Posts: 324

Mar 15, 2019 -- 11:38AM, nost wrote:


Mar 15, 2019 -- 11:18AM, cleanuphtr12 wrote:


Mar 15, 2019 -- 10:32AM, nost wrote:


Mar 15, 2019 -- 4:25AM, qwik3457 wrote:


Mar 14, 2019 -- 11:38AM, nost wrote:


They already are but letting three AAA pitcjhers get all the starts.  They wouldn't be in this position if they went out and got a SP in the off season.  But oh well same ol sob story with this team.




Yes, the three AAA pitchers will get all the starts.


Except for Happ's


And Paxton's.


And Tanaka's.


And about 10-12 days after the season starts, CC's.


But yes, aside from that the three AAA pitchers will get all the starts.


===============================


By the way, aren't the overwhelming majority of pitchers "AAA pitchers" before they become "Major league pitchers"?





These AAA SP shouild not be splitting 30+ starts the Yankees have done this in the past.  I rather like some others here would have liked to see the Yankees go out and grab a  make a splash in the FA market but most of the goods ones are already gone.


I honestly believe that the Yankees are not going to get a full season outta Servino I hope I'm wrong and the Yankees have no idea what's left in CCs tank.  So as the season progresses I don't like the options at AAA right now and if they gotta trade it seems all Cash knows what to do is grab crap and hope it pans out.




The 30 starts are generally spread out throughout random teams in the year.  Even if you go and spend big money to add Dallas Keuchel to be your 6th starter, the end result is not "Dallas Keuchel makes those 30 starts".  



No.  It's Keuchel (or CC if you're pushing him to the pen) makes 15-20 starts and nost is still whining about a AAA pitcher making 10-15 starts.  



And as Felipe has pointed out, no kidding they're not getting a full season out of Sev.  He's missing the first month.  Not exactly a bold prediction there, chum.





I'm meant to say I think he goes down at some point in the season after April.  I hope I'm toitally worng on this one.



I didn't get much better if anything it's gotten older.





4 years ago  ::  Mar 15, 2019 - 11:50AM #37
cleanuphtr12
Posts: 1,272

Mar 15, 2019 -- 11:39AM, nost wrote:


Mar 15, 2019 -- 11:38AM, nost wrote:


Mar 15, 2019 -- 11:18AM, cleanuphtr12 wrote:


Mar 15, 2019 -- 10:32AM, nost wrote:


Mar 15, 2019 -- 4:25AM, qwik3457 wrote:


Mar 14, 2019 -- 11:38AM, nost wrote:


They already are but letting three AAA pitcjhers get all the starts.  They wouldn't be in this position if they went out and got a SP in the off season.  But oh well same ol sob story with this team.




Yes, the three AAA pitchers will get all the starts.


Except for Happ's


And Paxton's.


And Tanaka's.


And about 10-12 days after the season starts, CC's.


But yes, aside from that the three AAA pitchers will get all the starts.


===============================


By the way, aren't the overwhelming majority of pitchers "AAA pitchers" before they become "Major league pitchers"?





These AAA SP shouild not be splitting 30+ starts the Yankees have done this in the past.  I rather like some others here would have liked to see the Yankees go out and grab a  make a splash in the FA market but most of the goods ones are already gone.


I honestly believe that the Yankees are not going to get a full season outta Servino I hope I'm wrong and the Yankees have no idea what's left in CCs tank.  So as the season progresses I don't like the options at AAA right now and if they gotta trade it seems all Cash knows what to do is grab crap and hope it pans out.




The 30 starts are generally spread out throughout random teams in the year.  Even if you go and spend big money to add Dallas Keuchel to be your 6th starter, the end result is not "Dallas Keuchel makes those 30 starts".  



No.  It's Keuchel (or CC if you're pushing him to the pen) makes 15-20 starts and nost is still whining about a AAA pitcher making 10-15 starts.  



And as Felipe has pointed out, no kidding they're not getting a full season out of Sev.  He's missing the first month.  Not exactly a bold prediction there, chum.





I'm meant to say I think he goes down at some point in the season after April.  I hope I'm toitally worng on this one.



I didn't get much better if anything it's gotten older.








They replaced Sonny Gray with Paxton and they replaced German with a full season of Happ.  It got substantially better.  



Everyone gets older every year.  That's a bad argument.

_______________________________________________

Please note:  I'm arguing against your post, not against you as a person.  I respect your right to have a different opinion even if I completely disagree with every word you wrote.
4 years ago  ::  Mar 15, 2019 - 11:55AM #38
luvdayanks
Posts: 31,610

Mar 15, 2019 -- 11:50AM, cleanuphtr12 wrote:


Mar 15, 2019 -- 11:39AM, nost wrote:


Mar 15, 2019 -- 11:38AM, nost wrote:


Mar 15, 2019 -- 11:18AM, cleanuphtr12 wrote:


Mar 15, 2019 -- 10:32AM, nost wrote:


Mar 15, 2019 -- 4:25AM, qwik3457 wrote:


Mar 14, 2019 -- 11:38AM, nost wrote:


They already are but letting three AAA pitcjhers get all the starts.  They wouldn't be in this position if they went out and got a SP in the off season.  But oh well same ol sob story with this team.




Yes, the three AAA pitchers will get all the starts.


Except for Happ's


And Paxton's.


And Tanaka's.


And about 10-12 days after the season starts, CC's.


But yes, aside from that the three AAA pitchers will get all the starts.


===============================


By the way, aren't the overwhelming majority of pitchers "AAA pitchers" before they become "Major league pitchers"?





These AAA SP shouild not be splitting 30+ starts the Yankees have done this in the past.  I rather like some others here would have liked to see the Yankees go out and grab a  make a splash in the FA market but most of the goods ones are already gone.


I honestly believe that the Yankees are not going to get a full season outta Servino I hope I'm wrong and the Yankees have no idea what's left in CCs tank.  So as the season progresses I don't like the options at AAA right now and if they gotta trade it seems all Cash knows what to do is grab crap and hope it pans out.




The 30 starts are generally spread out throughout random teams in the year.  Even if you go and spend big money to add Dallas Keuchel to be your 6th starter, the end result is not "Dallas Keuchel makes those 30 starts".  



No.  It's Keuchel (or CC if you're pushing him to the pen) makes 15-20 starts and nost is still whining about a AAA pitcher making 10-15 starts.  



And as Felipe has pointed out, no kidding they're not getting a full season out of Sev.  He's missing the first month.  Not exactly a bold prediction there, chum.





I'm meant to say I think he goes down at some point in the season after April.  I hope I'm toitally worng on this one.



I didn't get much better if anything it's gotten older.








They replaced Sonny Gray with Paxton and they replaced German with a full season of Happ.  It got substantially better.  



Everyone gets older every year.  That's a bad argument.




 Trying to carry on an intelligent conversation with this guy is hopeless.

4 years ago  ::  Mar 15, 2019 - 12:01PM #39
luvdayanks
Posts: 31,610

Mar 15, 2019 -- 10:39AM, nost wrote:


Mar 15, 2019 -- 10:35AM, bruner4329 wrote:


Mar 15, 2019 -- 4:29AM, qwik3457 wrote:


Mar 14, 2019 -- 4:39PM, bruner4329 wrote:


Let's see. We lost the division by 8 games and were 7 behind after 18 games. So doesn't that prove games lost in April are just as important. If you base it on that we matched them just about even the rest of the way except for 1 game. It is not illogical if the Math supports the facts.




Doesn't the fact that the Yanks caught the Sox and passed by them and built a 2 1/2 game lead as late as June 1st prove that the first 18 games didn't decide the division?


The Yanks were in trouble anyway, but the 4-game sweep by the Red sox in Boston in early August pretty much decided the division.




No. Just like a game when a team is down 20 points, exhausts itself to get back in and then runs out of gas. Fact is every year we go into a season with a starting rotation lacking depth and we end up overusing the bullpen every year. I will say it again the fact that we are relying on Luis Cessa as a depth starter is an absolute joke.


One other point. This year again there is a good chance that both the Red Sox and Yanks will need to win 100 games to win the division so every game whether April or September plays a role. You don't want to be giving games away early that ultimately makes you come up short in the end.






It seems some around here don't see the rotation for what we see it as.  I respect their opinions but how does one argue to the point that their rotationis fine when it could and shoulda gotten better this past off season...?




Who is we, you and the other 3 stooges?

4 years ago  ::  Mar 15, 2019 - 12:15PM #40
nost
Posts: 324

How arguing with you over a rotation that's not very stable ones gotta shake their heads.



If the playoff were today they'd lose.  



Yankees need SP help which ever way you wanna see it argue it.  But some around here instead of you three see it for what it is.  They need help beside AAA SP.  Thank you =)

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