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3 years ago  ::  Oct 10, 2019 - 9:58AM #11
CHL59
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Oct 10, 2019 -- 8:21AM, bumper wrote:


Oct 10, 2019 -- 8:15AM, hampfan wrote:


Oct 10, 2019 -- 8:05AM, bumper wrote:


Oct 10, 2019 -- 6:56AM, hampfan wrote:


Oct 10, 2019 -- 5:33AM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


Oct 10, 2019 -- 5:10AM, dougiebone wrote:


Unfortunately, he also passed on Chad Morten, Patrick Corbin and Gerrit Cole over the past couple of offseason decision making and it has left our rotation very vulnerable in long series. Thankfully, the Rays are bailing him out by extending the Astros rotation to the limit and the compromised position of their starters will allow us to probably to finally edge them out.




How has Corbin, Keuchel, or Greinke pitched in the postseason?  Morten is over 35, show me the post where fans wanted him in the off season.




I did, LL, it was sometime last winter. I didn't care about his age, since he stated he wanted a two-year contract, no more than that. I wasn't happy over our lurking 3 LH starting staff, but quickly realized that sentimentality necessitated keeping CC this season, so I didn't persist in wanting to go for Morton. And of course, I had no reason to think Severino would get injured and that the RH German would succeed as well as he did.




clearly hindsight being 100% ... i'm good w paxton but would have preferred morton over happ. but i think morton living near tampa in the off-season played a part in it. also since we had picked happ up at the deadline - he had pitched very well for us and stabilized our rotation - they decided to go with the devil they knew. no one expected his drop-off. clearly at this point, morton is one of the eilte pitchers in the game and the rays essentially stole him.




bumper, since the Rays have such a low budget restriction, to compensate they must have some very smart scouts for both FAs and minor-league players--especially pitchers.




agree, it's hard to imagine any team having a $64 mil payroll and achieving that kind of success - a real tribute to the organization. many of those guys are scrap heap pick ups. for example, the mets tossed d'arnaud away. how 'bout ji-man? and they've always been good at developing young arms. morton is their top payed guy at $15 mil. kiermaierer is next at $ 8 mil and no one else makes more $5 mil. amazing ...




 Bumper, the Rays have a great player development team and their scouting department is on top of things. In the early years they were awful and Namoli went after broke down ex all stars for their name, when they were cheap, to draw crowds. After he was gone Sternberg knew young guys on the cheap was the way they wanted to go, and to develop them. When they started under him to get better and better, he knew his support team was just as important as what players they got.


It has worked so far and now all teams have made a youth movement including the Yankees because Cashman and company saw it also. No more over- the- hill gang. It's working like a charm so far. A sprinkle of veterans are important especially if they are ones we grew on our farm.

you miss 100% of the shots you don't take.
3 years ago  ::  Oct 10, 2019 - 11:13AM #12
felipe27point5
Posts: 2,645

Oct 10, 2019 -- 12:49AM, CHL59 wrote:

Can't help but wonder how Brian Feels right now about his forsight not to spend the big bucks that they wanted. Brian said Kershaw: PASS, Machado PASS, Harper: PASS. All three went for the money and Brian said PASS!  Those three will be watching the Yankees play in the ALCS on their couch.



When was Kershaw available?

You are welcome to recall my posts when it becomes that i'm proven wrong as long as we judge it on the merits of what we knew to be true at the time it was posted.
3 years ago  ::  Oct 10, 2019 - 12:38PM #13
CHL59
Posts: 4,399

Oct 10, 2019 -- 11:13AM, felipe27point5 wrote:


Oct 10, 2019 -- 12:49AM, CHL59 wrote:

Can't help but wonder how Brian Feels right now about his forsight not to spend the big bucks that they wanted. Brian said Kershaw: PASS, Machado PASS, Harper: PASS. All three went for the money and Brian said PASS!  Those three will be watching the Yankees play in the ALCS on their couch.



When was Kershaw available?




I believe in 2018 when the Dodgers extended his time for his opt out decision. A lot of people thought he was testing through his agent if there was any interest. The media had him in the news every day. Yankee fans were after Cashman and there was talk about the Yankees looking into signing him. I don't even think there was an inquiry about him from the Yankees. Nothing happened and as it turned out good for us.Wink He is on a 3 year deal, you want him in 2021?

you miss 100% of the shots you don't take.
3 years ago  ::  Oct 10, 2019 - 12:46PM #14
felipe27point5
Posts: 2,645

Oct 10, 2019 -- 12:38PM, CHL59 wrote:


Oct 10, 2019 -- 11:13AM, felipe27point5 wrote:


Oct 10, 2019 -- 12:49AM, CHL59 wrote:

Can't help but wonder how Brian Feels right now about his forsight not to spend the big bucks that they wanted. Brian said Kershaw: PASS, Machado PASS, Harper: PASS. All three went for the money and Brian said PASS!  Those three will be watching the Yankees play in the ALCS on their couch.



When was Kershaw available?




I believe in 2018 when the Dodgers extended his time for his opt out decision. A lot of people thought he was testing through his agent if there was any interest. The media had him in the news every day. Yankee fans were after Cashman and there was talk about the Yankees looking into signing him. I don't even think there was an inquiry about him from the Yankees. Nothing happened and as it turned out good for us.Wink He is on a 3 year deal, you want him in 2021?




Talking to an agent about a player contracted by another team is meddling, and baseball takes that pretty seriously. 


As it actually was, Kershaw has always been a Dodger, and the Yankees were never able to court him.


But it's pretty hilarious for a board whining about a lack of starting pitchers bragging that we didn't get Kershaw. Name a starting pitcher on the Yankees who Kershaw wasn't better than this year

You are welcome to recall my posts when it becomes that i'm proven wrong as long as we judge it on the merits of what we knew to be true at the time it was posted.
3 years ago  ::  Oct 10, 2019 - 1:40PM #15
CHL59
Posts: 4,399

Oct 10, 2019 -- 12:46PM, felipe27point5 wrote:


Oct 10, 2019 -- 12:38PM, CHL59 wrote:


Oct 10, 2019 -- 11:13AM, felipe27point5 wrote:


Oct 10, 2019 -- 12:49AM, CHL59 wrote:

Can't help but wonder how Brian Feels right now about his forsight not to spend the big bucks that they wanted. Brian said Kershaw: PASS, Machado PASS, Harper: PASS. All three went for the money and Brian said PASS!  Those three will be watching the Yankees play in the ALCS on their couch.



When was Kershaw available?




I believe in 2018 when the Dodgers extended his time for his opt out decision. A lot of people thought he was testing through his agent if there was any interest. The media had him in the news every day. Yankee fans were after Cashman and there was talk about the Yankees looking into signing him. I don't even think there was an inquiry about him from the Yankees. Nothing happened and as it turned out good for us.Wink He is on a 3 year deal, you want him in 2021?




Talking to an agent about a player contracted by another team is meddling, and baseball takes that pretty seriously. 


As it actually was, Kershaw has always been a Dodger, and the Yankees were never able to court him.


But it's pretty hilarious for a board whining about a lack of starting pitchers bragging that we didn't get Kershaw. Name a starting pitcher on the Yankees who Kershaw wasn't better than this year




Well, first of all no one is whining that I can tell. Also Kershaw wasn't better than any of them simply because his wins or stats may look better,  because I would take any pitcher we have in the post season over Kershaw and that includes Happ. That's because that is where we are right now. The regular season AND Kershaw are OVER!!! Do you know Kershaw's record in the post season? Soo....

you miss 100% of the shots you don't take.
3 years ago  ::  Oct 10, 2019 - 1:57PM #16
felipe27point5
Posts: 2,645

Oct 10, 2019 -- 1:40PM, CHL59 wrote:


Well, first of all no one is whining that I can tell. Also Kershaw wasn't better than any of them simply because his wins or stats may look better,  because I would take any pitcher we have in the post season over Kershaw and that includes Happ. That's because that is where we are right now. The regular season AND Kershaw are OVER!!! Do you know Kershaw's record in the post season? Soo....




Nobody's been whining this year about how we need more starting pitching? Hmm, maybe you should hang around more often. There was plenty of it - especially near the deadline


Kershaw is 9-11 with a 4.45 ERA. Happ is 1-2 with a 5.24 ERA. Not sure what that tells you

You are welcome to recall my posts when it becomes that i'm proven wrong as long as we judge it on the merits of what we knew to be true at the time it was posted.
3 years ago  ::  Oct 10, 2019 - 2:44PM #17
CHL59
Posts: 4,399

Oct 10, 2019 -- 1:57PM, felipe27point5 wrote:


Oct 10, 2019 -- 1:40PM, CHL59 wrote:


Well, first of all no one is whining that I can tell. Also Kershaw wasn't better than any of them simply because his wins or stats may look better,  because I would take any pitcher we have in the post season over Kershaw and that includes Happ. That's because that is where we are right now. The regular season AND Kershaw are OVER!!! Do you know Kershaw's record in the post season? Soo....




Nobody's been whining this year about how we need more starting pitching? Hmm, maybe you should hang around more often. There was plenty of it - especially near the deadline


Kershaw is 9-11 with a 4.45 ERA. Happ is 1-2 with a 5.24 ERA. Not sure what that tells you




It tells me that Stats don't always tell the tale. The player is usually the deciding factor, and his baseball instincts and his make up and how he reacts under stress. Used to be back in the day those personality traits were almost, and at times, were, more important than the players stats. If it were just Stats then perhaps Mantle and Jeter and God knows who else would never had had their shot at the majors.


Micky almost quit baseball and in the minors called his Dad crying he wanted to come home.  Literally crying.Dad talked him out of it. So did Jeter call his Dad that he was homesick and thought about giving up. Dad talked him out of it. Their stats were not that great either in the early minors.


Kershaw obviously has a stress related reaction at times, where he loses focus it looks like. Happ pitches in NY getting boo'dat times, and he is out there when called on and he has improved. Unlike a guy named Sonny Gray. That's what it tells me.

you miss 100% of the shots you don't take.
3 years ago  ::  Oct 10, 2019 - 2:47PM #18
felipe27point5
Posts: 2,645

Oct 10, 2019 -- 2:44PM, CHL59 wrote:


Oct 10, 2019 -- 1:57PM, felipe27point5 wrote:


Oct 10, 2019 -- 1:40PM, CHL59 wrote:


Well, first of all no one is whining that I can tell. Also Kershaw wasn't better than any of them simply because his wins or stats may look better,  because I would take any pitcher we have in the post season over Kershaw and that includes Happ. That's because that is where we are right now. The regular season AND Kershaw are OVER!!! Do you know Kershaw's record in the post season? Soo....




Nobody's been whining this year about how we need more starting pitching? Hmm, maybe you should hang around more often. There was plenty of it - especially near the deadline


Kershaw is 9-11 with a 4.45 ERA. Happ is 1-2 with a 5.24 ERA. Not sure what that tells you




It tells me that Stats don't always tell the tale. The player is usually the deciding factor, and his baseball instincts and his make up and how he reacts under stress. Used to be back in the day those personality traits were almost, and at times, were, more important than the players stats. If it were just Stats then perhaps Mantle and Jeter and God knows who else would never had had their shot at the majors.


Micky almost quit baseball and in the minors called his Dad crying he wanted to come home.  Literally crying.Dad talked him out of it. So did Jeter call his Dad that he was homesick and thought about giving up. Dad talked him out of it. Their stats were not that great either in the early minors.


Kershaw obviously has a stress related reaction at times, where he loses focus it looks like. Happ pitches in NY getting boo'dat times, and he is out there when called on and he has improved. Unlike a guy named Sonny Gray. That's what it tells me.




... Yeah, because in this new world of stats and analytics there's never been a struggling player who an organization stuck with or acquired and they turned it aorund ala Tauchman or Voit


As for improving in New York, i'm not sure we're both talking about the same JA Happ. I'm talking about the one who went 9-0 with a 2.69 ERA in 2018, and then went 12-8 with a 4.91 ERA this past season. 

You are welcome to recall my posts when it becomes that i'm proven wrong as long as we judge it on the merits of what we knew to be true at the time it was posted.
3 years ago  ::  Oct 10, 2019 - 3:29PM #19
CHL59
Posts: 4,399

Oct 10, 2019 -- 2:47PM, felipe27point5 wrote:


Oct 10, 2019 -- 2:44PM, CHL59 wrote:


Oct 10, 2019 -- 1:57PM, felipe27point5 wrote:


Oct 10, 2019 -- 1:40PM, CHL59 wrote:


Well, first of all no one is whining that I can tell. Also Kershaw wasn't better than any of them simply because his wins or stats may look better,  because I would take any pitcher we have in the post season over Kershaw and that includes Happ. That's because that is where we are right now. The regular season AND Kershaw are OVER!!! Do you know Kershaw's record in the post season? Soo....




Nobody's been whining this year about how we need more starting pitching? Hmm, maybe you should hang around more often. There was plenty of it - especially near the deadline


Kershaw is 9-11 with a 4.45 ERA. Happ is 1-2 with a 5.24 ERA. Not sure what that tells you




It tells me that Stats don't always tell the tale. The player is usually the deciding factor, and his baseball instincts and his make up and how he reacts under stress. Used to be back in the day those personality traits were almost, and at times, were, more important than the players stats. If it were just Stats then perhaps Mantle and Jeter and God knows who else would never had had their shot at the majors.


Micky almost quit baseball and in the minors called his Dad crying he wanted to come home.  Literally crying.Dad talked him out of it. So did Jeter call his Dad that he was homesick and thought about giving up. Dad talked him out of it. Their stats were not that great either in the early minors.


Kershaw obviously has a stress related reaction at times, where he loses focus it looks like. Happ pitches in NY getting boo'dat times, and he is out there when called on and he has improved. Unlike a guy named Sonny Gray. That's what it tells me.




... Yeah, because in this new world of stats and analytics there's never been a struggling player who an organization stuck with or acquired and they turned it aorund ala Tauchman or Voit


As for improving in New York, i'm not sure we're both talking about the same JA Happ. I'm talking about the one who went 9-0 with a 2.69 ERA in 2018, and then went 12-8 with a 4.91 ERA this past season. 




Don't get off topic. I'm talking aboiut the struggles Happ had early this season, and getting boo'd, then improving from that point to now and him over Kershaw in the Post Season IMO would be better than Kershaw since Kershaw and his team are on the couch watching Happ and the Yankees on Saturday. Happ may not pitch this PS, but then again he may not have to. To me Kershaw is a good pitcher, no doubt, but I like that he manned up and answered questions after the game about his post season struggles.  However the whole point of the thread I posted is that I like what we have and glad we don't have Kershaw, Machado or Harper because Cashman, under advisement or not, passed one way or the other, on all of them. Look where they are and look where we are. I like us.

you miss 100% of the shots you don't take.
3 years ago  ::  Oct 10, 2019 - 3:52PM #20
felipe27point5
Posts: 2,645

Oct 10, 2019 -- 3:29PM, CHL59 wrote:


Oct 10, 2019 -- 2:47PM, felipe27point5 wrote:


Oct 10, 2019 -- 2:44PM, CHL59 wrote:


Oct 10, 2019 -- 1:57PM, felipe27point5 wrote:


Oct 10, 2019 -- 1:40PM, CHL59 wrote:


Well, first of all no one is whining that I can tell. Also Kershaw wasn't better than any of them simply because his wins or stats may look better,  because I would take any pitcher we have in the post season over Kershaw and that includes Happ. That's because that is where we are right now. The regular season AND Kershaw are OVER!!! Do you know Kershaw's record in the post season? Soo....




Nobody's been whining this year about how we need more starting pitching? Hmm, maybe you should hang around more often. There was plenty of it - especially near the deadline


Kershaw is 9-11 with a 4.45 ERA. Happ is 1-2 with a 5.24 ERA. Not sure what that tells you




It tells me that Stats don't always tell the tale. The player is usually the deciding factor, and his baseball instincts and his make up and how he reacts under stress. Used to be back in the day those personality traits were almost, and at times, were, more important than the players stats. If it were just Stats then perhaps Mantle and Jeter and God knows who else would never had had their shot at the majors.


Micky almost quit baseball and in the minors called his Dad crying he wanted to come home.  Literally crying.Dad talked him out of it. So did Jeter call his Dad that he was homesick and thought about giving up. Dad talked him out of it. Their stats were not that great either in the early minors.


Kershaw obviously has a stress related reaction at times, where he loses focus it looks like. Happ pitches in NY getting boo'dat times, and he is out there when called on and he has improved. Unlike a guy named Sonny Gray. That's what it tells me.




... Yeah, because in this new world of stats and analytics there's never been a struggling player who an organization stuck with or acquired and they turned it aorund ala Tauchman or Voit


As for improving in New York, i'm not sure we're both talking about the same JA Happ. I'm talking about the one who went 9-0 with a 2.69 ERA in 2018, and then went 12-8 with a 4.91 ERA this past season. 




Don't get off topic. I'm talking aboiut the struggles Happ had early this season, and getting boo'd, then improving from that point to now and him over Kershaw in the Post Season IMO would be better than Kershaw since Kershaw and his team are on the couch watching Happ and the Yankees on Saturday. Happ may not pitch this PS, but then again he may not have to. To me Kershaw is a good pitcher, no doubt, but I like that he manned up and answered questions after the game about his post season struggles.  However the whole point of the thread I posted is that I like what we have and glad we don't have Kershaw, Machado or Harper because Cashman, under advisement or not, passed one way or the other, on all of them. Look where they are and look where we are. I like us.




But to say we wouldn't be a better team with a pitcher like Kershaw is pretty silly.


The angels are at home too, but you probably prefer Cameron Maybin to Mike Trout. Using that logic, we shouldn't make any transactions this offseason because we got here with these guys so who needs Gerrit Cole

You are welcome to recall my posts when it becomes that i'm proven wrong as long as we judge it on the merits of what we knew to be true at the time it was posted.
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