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1 year ago  ::  Jun 29, 2021 - 11:22AM #1
newinn
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IMO, if the Yankees are more then 5 games out at the deadline, I think the ENTIRE roster should be available in a trade. That includes Judge, Cole, Torres, DJLM, Voit. Now I'm not saying to trade everyone but everyone should be available. The question becomes does Hal want to let Cashman be the one to break this team up and rebuild. If Cash is gone at the end of the season why would he be able to deal at the deadline. If he's replaced in season I don't think a new GM would be able to break it down.
1 year ago  ::  Jun 29, 2021 - 12:01PM #2
1955nyyfan
Posts: 3,581
New, I agree. The Yankees are more than 1 or 2 players away from turning this around. Particularly the type of players who will be available at the deadline. Im not sure what the Yankees will be doing after this season, rebuild, retool, stay the course but IMO, the TDL is typically a sellers market and they should be looking to make trades that improve the overall quality and depth of the team beyond this year. I also agree with your assessment on Cash and the delimea facing the Yankees with whether he is the guy to make these TDL decisions. I've soured on him and just dont know if he's capable of building a contender with the limitations Hal has placed on him. He still seems to be married to all or nothing hitters, a couple big name players surrounded by bargins. Maybe unfair criticism but despite his successes he's had a lot of misses.
All of a sudden this roster has become a mess, too many of the young potential stars are still big question marks and the long term established players are signed to contracts that void opportunities for adding talent and will only get worse as they age. I dont know what the answer is but it is a mess and I dont see an easy fix.
1 year ago  ::  Jun 29, 2021 - 1:07PM #3
SSBob
Posts: 10,991

Jun 29, 2021 -- 11:22AM, newinn wrote:

IMO, if the Yankees are more then 5 games out at the deadline, I think the ENTIRE roster should be available in a trade. That includes Judge, Cole, Torres, DJLM, Voit.




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Yanks will have a very difficult decision to make re Judge. Would they move him for a good fielding/hitting (LH) CF + decent hitting slick fielding SS +?

1 year ago  ::  Jun 29, 2021 - 1:19PM #4
bumper
Posts: 11,885

Jun 29, 2021 -- 11:22AM, newinn wrote:

IMO, if the Yankees are more then 5 games out at the deadline, I think the ENTIRE roster should be available in a trade. That includes Judge, Cole, Torres, DJLM, Voit. Now I'm not saying to trade everyone but everyone should be available. The question becomes does Hal want to let Cashman be the one to break this team up and rebuild. If Cash is gone at the end of the season why would he be able to deal at the deadline. If he's replaced in season I don't think a new GM would be able to break it down.



agree. right now we're 6 games out with a lot of teams to climb over and with their current performance don't see it happening even w a couple TDL additions.


we all know this is an unbalanced team on a number of levels. do believe that if they played up to their capabilities and past performances maybe they could overcome a lot of that but clearly they've all fallen into a collective abyss other than maybe gio. so yeah sadly everyone's available.


probably asking a lot but if we're breaking it down, we should go all the way and rebuild with the right pieces even if takes a couple seasons - a mix of RH, LH & switch hitters with an emphasis on contact. fielding and more speed also a priority. this is the most station-to-station team i've ever seen.


the cashman question is interesting. his track record has been hit or miss and after 24 years, probably time for a new direction. hal has to see that the current model isn't working. and if you're gonna make the change, then the sooner the better.





1 year ago  ::  Jun 29, 2021 - 1:24PM #5
Max
Posts: 10,349

Jun 29, 2021 -- 11:22AM, newinn wrote:

IMO, if the Yankees are more then 5 games out at the deadline, I think the ENTIRE roster should be available in a trade. That includes Judge, Cole, Torres, DJLM, Voit. Now I'm not saying to trade everyone but everyone should be available. The question becomes does Hal want to let Cashman be the one to break this team up and rebuild. If Cash is gone at the end of the season why would he be able to deal at the deadline. If he's replaced in season I don't think a new GM would be able to break it down.





A few weeks ago I said that the Yankees should wait until after their series against the Red Sox before deciding to be buyers or sellers. In my opinion, it's much clearer now that they should be sellers.


There's no way that Cashman can add difference maker players if the Yankees are set on not going over the tax threshold.


I don't agree that the Yankees should completely rebuild, but instead they should build on the fly like that did the season when they traded Chapman for Torres. In my opinion, they should keep Cole, Torres, Gio, and make everyone else on their 25 man rosters available if a trade or trades make sense.


1 year ago  ::  Jun 29, 2021 - 3:10PM #6
El Guapo
Posts: 356

I agree with you, New.  I have not liked the way this team has been assembled.  They have a lot of relief pitching but have no games to save because the offense can't score and the starters can't pitch.  Guys like Andujar, Frazier, and Voit should not be Yankee starting players, but are perennial prospects at best.  Gardner is shot and Odor never had it to begin with.  These players comprise a large portion of the lineup the Yankees trot out there nightly, so it's no wonder they can't score and win.


Some people think that the starting rotation will get better when Severino returns.  I wouldn't bet on that.  A while back, I got into an argument with another poster about Severino, with me stating that Severino was another Nathan Eovaldi minus the Tommy John surgery.  Well, now he's had his first surgery and I stand by my original assessment of him. 


The Yankees need to quit with the big bucks, long term contracts to guys 30 years old and older.  In the steroid era, that might have worked but it's a bad business strategy now.   Aaron Judge turns 30 soon and talk is already happening about his big payday.  Bad idea for a guy that couldn't stay healthy in his 20s.


Baseball is a young man's game.  Keep the core lineup young and give no long term contracts to players over 30.  Wonder how Tampa Bay wins and remains competitive like they do?  That's it.  Players that become really solid players for them and who are approaching big paydays are traded away or allowed to walk, and they bring in more young players.  Players who are approaching their upside rather than their inevitable decline. 


I say blow it up.  Everyone should be available.  When fans have a choice to support the same old dysfunctional Yankees team or a young, hungry team that competes, I thing they'll choose the latter.


      

1 year ago  ::  Jun 29, 2021 - 3:30PM #7
1955nyyfan
Posts: 3,581
Guapo, pretty sure you mean Severino. I like him but with all the missed time, dont see him being a factor this year. I really am worried and hope tje Yanks don't make moves because they feel fans would be upset with "waving the white flag". Let's be smart and take advantage of a sellers market at the TDL.
1 year ago  ::  Jun 29, 2021 - 3:42PM #8
yankoldfan
Posts: 11,913

Jun 29, 2021 -- 1:24PM, Max wrote:


Jun 29, 2021 -- 11:22AM, newinn wrote:

IMO, if the Yankees are more then 5 games out at the deadline, I think the ENTIRE roster should be available in a trade. That includes Judge, Cole, Torres, DJLM, Voit. Now I'm not saying to trade everyone but everyone should be available. The question becomes does Hal want to let Cashman be the one to break this team up and rebuild. If Cash is gone at the end of the season why would he be able to deal at the deadline. If he's replaced in season I don't think a new GM would be able to break it down.





A few weeks ago I said that the Yankees should wait until after their series against the Red Sox before deciding to be buyers or sellers. In my opinion, it's much clearer now that they should be sellers.


There's no way that Cashman can add difference maker players if the Yankees are set on not going over the tax threshold.


I don't agree that the Yankees should completely rebuild, but instead they should build on the fly like that did the season when they traded Chapman for Torres. In my opinion, they should keep Cole, Torres, Gio, and make everyone else on their 25 man rosters available if a trade or trades make sense.





I agree to a point with you Max, but I don't want to be all sellers, I do believe a trade of one of our favorites could net a couple players that will help down the road and even this year ?? Players like Judge, Torres, even Voit and some of our younger arms might net us a couple of decent left handed bats that could fill a leadoff hitter that can hit for average, a CF that needs to bat from the left side and also a first basemen that makes better contact than Voit... I think Voit can be a very good hitter, but he needs to go some where else because all they want him to do is hit homeruns and the way he swings, he's asking for more rib cage injuries.. I do think Judge will kill us if traded, but he will also bring us the most in a trade...

1 year ago  ::  Jun 29, 2021 - 5:14PM #9
El Guapo
Posts: 356

Jun 29, 2021 -- 3:30PM, 1955nyyfan wrote:

Guapo, pretty sure you mean Severino. I like him but with all the missed time, dont see him being a factor this year. I really am worried and hope tje Yanks don't make moves because they feel fans would be upset with "waving the white flag". Let's be smart and take advantage of a sellers market at the TDL.



55, yes that is who I meant.  It was another one of my senior moments that seem to happen with more frequency lately!  LOL!

1 year ago  ::  Jun 29, 2021 - 6:16PM #10
CHL59
Posts: 4,399

Cashman is responsible over a period of time, a decade actually, getting this team to where it is now. He has to go or the team will stay the same with just a few different faces. A new GM and manager will bring new coaches which we need badly. Then as many stated all should be available including the "un tradable. like Stanton. IMO he is still the biggest problem. With him here and Cole Judge will not be and that is reality unfortunately. I would keep Urshela also. He is what the team should be built around and modeled after as far as his talents. Makes contact, is baseball savvy, and has instincts and that is more of what we need and do not have. IMO, start right now, today if possible why wait get rid of Cashman anyway possible, kick him upstairs and he will leave on his own, that I will bet on... keep Boone until the end of the season.


If they keep Cashman The rest of what needs to be done will all be filler,  slight of hand, more dumpster diving and smoke and mirrors and nothing will change. A few new faces with the same skills. Time to reload the ammo belt with fresh bullets the team has really good individual talent that does not mesh as a team in any way shape or form. I have been saying they are not a TEAM, can't play as a team, hit like a team, run like a team, or hit like a team. Said it since since Early May and that is the problem from my point of view. It's damn depressing to see them try and blow smoke in every media interview they do. They need to knock that off, it's stupid.

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