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The Republican Party and Minority Rule
4 months ago  ::  Jun 11, 2022 - 8:43AM #21
yankoldfan
Posts: 11,996

Jun 10, 2022 -- 7:20AM, bertram wrote:


Can't understand why Joe Biden's approval numbers are so low.  After all, he has satisfied the Muddled Middle's sole criteria for his presidency...restoring sanity to the White House.  The inflation we are experiencing was inevitable, and nobody should be surprised it has landed on our faces given the criminally incompetent response of the Trump administration to the pandemic.  Are people blaming Dems in general for bad economic policies implemented since Biden took office?  The truth is that this country is not operating under Democratic Party policies, and our party will never be able to put our policies into effect until the filibuster rule is either tossed or modified.  The symbiotic partners of the GOP, the large corporations, have been granted almost unfettered power since the 1980's to the point that we might as well admit we are caught in the throes of fascism.


So, members of the electorate, do not waste another decade by looking for Republicans to vote for.  Turning over control of Congress and the White House to the party that nearly ended our democracy and continues to place roadblocks to positive legislative action would be disastrous for us all.




Better word have never been written... I'm not saying if the right (R) came to power in this country it wouldn't be the worst thing, but can you name me one of those (R) right now... donald has sucked the blood out of the (R) party as it once was... Too many have jumped ship and are trying to use him as a life boat, there is nothing good that will ever come to donald's kind of (R) party, and the sooner American wakes up and see's the writing on the wall the better off this country will be...

4 months ago  ::  Jun 11, 2022 - 11:02AM #22
bertram
Posts: 17,749

Jun 11, 2022 -- 8:43AM, yankoldfan wrote:


Jun 10, 2022 -- 7:20AM, bertram wrote:


Can't understand why Joe Biden's approval numbers are so low.  After all, he has satisfied the Muddled Middle's sole criteria for his presidency...restoring sanity to the White House.  The inflation we are experiencing was inevitable, and nobody should be surprised it has landed on our faces given the criminally incompetent response of the Trump administration to the pandemic.  Are people blaming Dems in general for bad economic policies implemented since Biden took office?  The truth is that this country is not operating under Democratic Party policies, and our party will never be able to put our policies into effect until the filibuster rule is either tossed or modified.  The symbiotic partners of the GOP, the large corporations, have been granted almost unfettered power since the 1980's to the point that we might as well admit we are caught in the throes of fascism.


So, members of the electorate, do not waste another decade by looking for Republicans to vote for.  Turning over control of Congress and the White House to the party that nearly ended our democracy and continues to place roadblocks to positive legislative action would be disastrous for us all.




Better word have never been written... I'm not saying if the right (R) came to power in this country it wouldn't be the worst thing, but can you name me one of those (R) right now... donald has sucked the blood out of the (R) party as it once was... Too many have jumped ship and are trying to use him as a life boat, there is nothing good that will ever come to donald's kind of (R) party, and the sooner American wakes up and see's the writing on the wall the better off this country will be...




You are one of those rare folks who get it.  We have seen posters here discussing the possibility of voting for "the right Republicans" in an effort to "fix" the party and get it on the right track.  The problem is that even the few "sane" Republican lawmakers, current officials and ex-officials waiting to get back into the mix still vote and would vote along GOP party lines.  And in the present GOP hierarchy, with people like McConnell and McCarthy putting pressure to vote in blocs (and getting their way), the legislative logjam that denies the majority of Americans their wishes to make progress in dealing with the nation's problems will remain in place.


The only remedy at this point is to remake the Republican Party.  And the only trigger to that, given the current GOP leadership's continued success in asserting minority rule, is for the voters to reject their party wholesale until they finally see their current tactics aren't going to work anymore.  And we need the independents to realize that and resolve to do it.  The Romneys, the Kasichs, the Cheneys, and even the Kinzingers still vote with Trump, McConnell, and McCarthy nearly all the time.  It doesn't matter which Republican is on the ballot...they are still a wedge issue-driven party that ignores the will of the majority on far too many policies and prospective legislation.

4 months ago  ::  Jun 11, 2022 - 12:53PM #23
bertram
Posts: 17,749

It's been too long since the will of the majority of Americans actually appeared in bills that got passed in Congress.

4 months ago  ::  Jun 11, 2022 - 4:13PM #24
newinn
Posts: 38,827

Jun 11, 2022 -- 11:02AM, bertram wrote:


Jun 11, 2022 -- 8:43AM, yankoldfan wrote:


Jun 10, 2022 -- 7:20AM, bertram wrote:


Can't understand why Joe Biden's approval numbers are so low.  After all, he has satisfied the Muddled Middle's sole criteria for his presidency...restoring sanity to the White House.  The inflation we are experiencing was inevitable, and nobody should be surprised it has landed on our faces given the criminally incompetent response of the Trump administration to the pandemic.  Are people blaming Dems in general for bad economic policies implemented since Biden took office?  The truth is that this country is not operating under Democratic Party policies, and our party will never be able to put our policies into effect until the filibuster rule is either tossed or modified.  The symbiotic partners of the GOP, the large corporations, have been granted almost unfettered power since the 1980's to the point that we might as well admit we are caught in the throes of fascism.


So, members of the electorate, do not waste another decade by looking for Republicans to vote for.  Turning over control of Congress and the White House to the party that nearly ended our democracy and continues to place roadblocks to positive legislative action would be disastrous for us all.




Better word have never been written... I'm not saying if the right (R) came to power in this country it wouldn't be the worst thing, but can you name me one of those (R) right now... donald has sucked the blood out of the (R) party as it once was... Too many have jumped ship and are trying to use him as a life boat, there is nothing good that will ever come to donald's kind of (R) party, and the sooner American wakes up and see's the writing on the wall the better off this country will be...




You are one of those rare folks who get it.  We have seen posters here discussing the possibility of voting for "the right Republicans" in an effort to "fix" the party and get it on the right track.  The problem is that even the few "sane" Republican lawmakers, current officials and ex-officials waiting to get back into the mix still vote and would vote along GOP party lines.  And in the present GOP hierarchy, with people like McConnell and McCarthy putting pressure to vote in blocs (and getting their way), the legislative logjam that denies the majority of Americans their wishes to make progress in dealing with the nation's problems will remain in place.


The only remedy at this point is to remake the Republican Party.  And the only trigger to that, given the current GOP leadership's continued success in asserting minority rule, is for the voters to reject their party wholesale until they finally see their current tactics aren't going to work anymore.  And we need the independents to realize that and resolve to do it.  The Romneys, the Kasichs, the Cheneys, and even the Kinzingers still vote with Trump, McConnell, and McCarthy nearly all the time.  It doesn't matter which Republican is on the ballot...they are still a wedge issue-driven party that ignores the will of the majority on far too many policies and prospective legislation.




you're no different then LL and represent every thing wrong in our country. 

4 months ago  ::  Jun 11, 2022 - 4:58PM #25
bertram
Posts: 17,749

Jun 11, 2022 -- 4:13PM, newinn wrote:


Jun 11, 2022 -- 11:02AM, bertram wrote:


Jun 11, 2022 -- 8:43AM, yankoldfan wrote:


Jun 10, 2022 -- 7:20AM, bertram wrote:


Can't understand why Joe Biden's approval numbers are so low.  After all, he has satisfied the Muddled Middle's sole criteria for his presidency...restoring sanity to the White House.  The inflation we are experiencing was inevitable, and nobody should be surprised it has landed on our faces given the criminally incompetent response of the Trump administration to the pandemic.  Are people blaming Dems in general for bad economic policies implemented since Biden took office?  The truth is that this country is not operating under Democratic Party policies, and our party will never be able to put our policies into effect until the filibuster rule is either tossed or modified.  The symbiotic partners of the GOP, the large corporations, have been granted almost unfettered power since the 1980's to the point that we might as well admit we are caught in the throes of fascism.


So, members of the electorate, do not waste another decade by looking for Republicans to vote for.  Turning over control of Congress and the White House to the party that nearly ended our democracy and continues to place roadblocks to positive legislative action would be disastrous for us all.




Better word have never been written... I'm not saying if the right (R) came to power in this country it wouldn't be the worst thing, but can you name me one of those (R) right now... donald has sucked the blood out of the (R) party as it once was... Too many have jumped ship and are trying to use him as a life boat, there is nothing good that will ever come to donald's kind of (R) party, and the sooner American wakes up and see's the writing on the wall the better off this country will be...




You are one of those rare folks who get it.  We have seen posters here discussing the possibility of voting for "the right Republicans" in an effort to "fix" the party and get it on the right track.  The problem is that even the few "sane" Republican lawmakers, current officials and ex-officials waiting to get back into the mix still vote and would vote along GOP party lines.  And in the present GOP hierarchy, with people like McConnell and McCarthy putting pressure to vote in blocs (and getting their way), the legislative logjam that denies the majority of Americans their wishes to make progress in dealing with the nation's problems will remain in place.


The only remedy at this point is to remake the Republican Party.  And the only trigger to that, given the current GOP leadership's continued success in asserting minority rule, is for the voters to reject their party wholesale until they finally see their current tactics aren't going to work anymore.  And we need the independents to realize that and resolve to do it.  The Romneys, the Kasichs, the Cheneys, and even the Kinzingers still vote with Trump, McConnell, and McCarthy nearly all the time.  It doesn't matter which Republican is on the ballot...they are still a wedge issue-driven party that ignores the will of the majority on far too many policies and prospective legislation.




you're no different then LL and represent every thing wrong in our country. 




Ohhh, I am WAY DIFFERENT from the resident Trumpkin.  I agree with quite a few things that you "independents" have posted here.  For example, I concur that the nation needs two parties.  Actually, we need more than two parties to allow for additional choices.  You and I disagree on what needs to be done to resurrect the GOP, however.  The Republican Party has been steadily going downhill since Reagan was elected.  And it's only getting worse.  As so many posters have pointed out, the GOP has turned inside out...rejecting so many of the values that once made it a viable party. 


Mitch McConnell, for example, had a choice in January of 2007 after his party was soundly defeated and lost both the House and the Senate.  That was the point at which one GOP lawmaker called the Republican brand "dog food".  Instead of taking stock of the reasons for the defeat, which were many and glaring, Mitch decided to double down on filibusters and obstruction...setting the tone for the next 15 years of disfunctional government.  He doubled the record for the previous highest number of filibusters in a term and made the practice virtually a daily event.  Later, he was able to claim with a straight face that the 60 vote supermajority was "regular order" in the Senate...an outrageous remark to anybody with a knowledge of Congressional history.


The Republican Party is rotten to the core and needs to be reinvented, not "tweaked".  They should maybe even consider a name change...

4 months ago  ::  Jun 11, 2022 - 5:10PM #26
bertram
Posts: 17,749

Since we have no viable third party at this point, the obvious choice for the next two elections is to vote a straight Dem ticket.  If independents in large numbers joined Dems in sending the Republicans a pointed message, there may be some hope for this country.  We can't afford to keep blowing off decade after decade to a status quo that keeps us on the road to disaster.  And the rationalization that we are getting near the end of our lives anyway and it really doesn't affect our lives much now if this continues is a total copout.  We need to think of our children, grandchildren and generations down the line. 

4 months ago  ::  Jun 11, 2022 - 5:30PM #27
bertram
Posts: 17,749

Worried about placing too much power in the hands of the Democrats?  Well, as the Great Depression decimated the country in the early 1930's after Republican economic policies tanked us, the people gave FDR and the Dems the White House and a very sizable majority in Congress.  Franklin Delano and his New Deal led us out of the woods, through a World War, and into an era of prosperity that saw us pay off the war debt in short order.  That all worked out pretty well, didn't it?  Let's try it again and see what happens.  I'd predict good things for America.

4 months ago  ::  Jun 12, 2022 - 8:50AM #28
yankoldfan
Posts: 11,996

Jun 11, 2022 -- 11:02AM, bertram wrote:


Jun 11, 2022 -- 8:43AM, yankoldfan wrote:


Jun 10, 2022 -- 7:20AM, bertram wrote:


Can't understand why Joe Biden's approval numbers are so low.  After all, he has satisfied the Muddled Middle's sole criteria for his presidency...restoring sanity to the White House.  The inflation we are experiencing was inevitable, and nobody should be surprised it has landed on our faces given the criminally incompetent response of the Trump administration to the pandemic.  Are people blaming Dems in general for bad economic policies implemented since Biden took office?  The truth is that this country is not operating under Democratic Party policies, and our party will never be able to put our policies into effect until the filibuster rule is either tossed or modified.  The symbiotic partners of the GOP, the large corporations, have been granted almost unfettered power since the 1980's to the point that we might as well admit we are caught in the throes of fascism.


So, members of the electorate, do not waste another decade by looking for Republicans to vote for.  Turning over control of Congress and the White House to the party that nearly ended our democracy and continues to place roadblocks to positive legislative action would be disastrous for us all.




Better word have never been written... I'm not saying if the right (R) came to power in this country it wouldn't be the worst thing, but can you name me one of those (R) right now... donald has sucked the blood out of the (R) party as it once was... Too many have jumped ship and are trying to use him as a life boat, there is nothing good that will ever come to donald's kind of (R) party, and the sooner American wakes up and see's the writing on the wall the better off this country will be...




You are one of those rare folks who get it.  We have seen posters here discussing the possibility of voting for "the right Republicans" in an effort to "fix" the party and get it on the right track.  The problem is that even the few "sane" Republican lawmakers, current officials and ex-officials waiting to get back into the mix still vote and would vote along GOP party lines.  And in the present GOP hierarchy, with people like McConnell and McCarthy putting pressure to vote in blocs (and getting their way), the legislative logjam that denies the majority of Americans their wishes to make progress in dealing with the nation's problems will remain in place.


The only remedy at this point is to remake the Republican Party.  And the only trigger to that, given the current GOP leadership's continued success in asserting minority rule, is for the voters to reject their party wholesale until they finally see their current tactics aren't going to work anymore.  And we need the independents to realize that and resolve to do it.  The Romneys, the Kasichs, the Cheneys, and even the Kinzingers still vote with Trump, McConnell, and McCarthy nearly all the time.  It doesn't matter which Republican is on the ballot...they are still a wedge issue-driven party that ignores the will of the majority on far too many policies and prospective legislation.




I agree with you, the only answer to the (R) party is to do one thing, split and either go back to what they once were, like when I was  a (R), but I know that will never happen... The party is so scared of what might happen if they did that, they are so afraid of losing control, but in the long run it would be better for the country... I've said for 20 years, take the letters away from the front of their names and run on what they stand for would immediately make this a better world..


Again, it all goes back to money and power, greed by a hand full of billionaires is what's ruined this country... It's all about POWER and who controls it !!! We have on tool, and thats the right to VOTE, if we don't get out and do that, another generation might not recognize todays world..


4 months ago  ::  Jun 12, 2022 - 8:57AM #29
bertram
Posts: 17,749

Jun 12, 2022 -- 8:50AM, yankoldfan wrote:


Jun 11, 2022 -- 11:02AM, bertram wrote:


Jun 11, 2022 -- 8:43AM, yankoldfan wrote:


Jun 10, 2022 -- 7:20AM, bertram wrote:


Can't understand why Joe Biden's approval numbers are so low.  After all, he has satisfied the Muddled Middle's sole criteria for his presidency...restoring sanity to the White House.  The inflation we are experiencing was inevitable, and nobody should be surprised it has landed on our faces given the criminally incompetent response of the Trump administration to the pandemic.  Are people blaming Dems in general for bad economic policies implemented since Biden took office?  The truth is that this country is not operating under Democratic Party policies, and our party will never be able to put our policies into effect until the filibuster rule is either tossed or modified.  The symbiotic partners of the GOP, the large corporations, have been granted almost unfettered power since the 1980's to the point that we might as well admit we are caught in the throes of fascism.


So, members of the electorate, do not waste another decade by looking for Republicans to vote for.  Turning over control of Congress and the White House to the party that nearly ended our democracy and continues to place roadblocks to positive legislative action would be disastrous for us all.




Better word have never been written... I'm not saying if the right (R) came to power in this country it wouldn't be the worst thing, but can you name me one of those (R) right now... donald has sucked the blood out of the (R) party as it once was... Too many have jumped ship and are trying to use him as a life boat, there is nothing good that will ever come to donald's kind of (R) party, and the sooner American wakes up and see's the writing on the wall the better off this country will be...




You are one of those rare folks who get it.  We have seen posters here discussing the possibility of voting for "the right Republicans" in an effort to "fix" the party and get it on the right track.  The problem is that even the few "sane" Republican lawmakers, current officials and ex-officials waiting to get back into the mix still vote and would vote along GOP party lines.  And in the present GOP hierarchy, with people like McConnell and McCarthy putting pressure to vote in blocs (and getting their way), the legislative logjam that denies the majority of Americans their wishes to make progress in dealing with the nation's problems will remain in place.


The only remedy at this point is to remake the Republican Party.  And the only trigger to that, given the current GOP leadership's continued success in asserting minority rule, is for the voters to reject their party wholesale until they finally see their current tactics aren't going to work anymore.  And we need the independents to realize that and resolve to do it.  The Romneys, the Kasichs, the Cheneys, and even the Kinzingers still vote with Trump, McConnell, and McCarthy nearly all the time.  It doesn't matter which Republican is on the ballot...they are still a wedge issue-driven party that ignores the will of the majority on far too many policies and prospective legislation.




I agree with you, the only answer to the (R) party is to do one thing, split and either go back to what they once were, like when I was  a (R), but I know that will never happen... The party is so scared of what might happen if they did that, they are so afraid of losing control, but in the long run it would be better for the country... I've said for 20 years, take the letters away from the front of their names and run on what they stand for would immediately make this a better world..


Again, it all goes back to money and power, greed by a hand full of billionaires is what's ruined this country... It's all about POWER and who controls it !!! We have on tool, and thats the right to VOTE, if we don't get out and do that, another generation might not recognize todays world..





Spot-on!  The Republicans have taken us into the realms of oligarchy, theocracy and fascism...just what the founders feared when they published the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.

4 months ago  ::  Jun 15, 2022 - 6:57AM #30
bertram
Posts: 17,749

More cacklin' Trumpophiles are making the cut in the GOP primaries around the country.  Will America's Muddled Middle of the electorate really hand a Congressional majority back to a party that has shown itself to be unworthy, corrupt, conspiracy-hugging and a danger to democracy?

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