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2 months ago  ::  Jul 29, 2021 - 3:20PM #21
bruner4329
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Jul 29, 2021 -- 3:10PM, Jon wrote:


Jul 28, 2021 -- 8:38PM, bruner4329 wrote:


Jul 28, 2021 -- 5:43PM, Jon wrote:


Jul 28, 2021 -- 4:57PM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Jul 28, 2021 -- 2:50PM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


Jul 28, 2021 -- 2:16PM, Max wrote:


Jul 27, 2021 -- 5:25PM, qwik3457 wrote:


Jul 27, 2021 -- 1:17PM, Max wrote:


Jul 27, 2021 -- 11:02AM, yankoldfan wrote:


Jul 27, 2021 -- 10:16AM, Jon wrote:

www.nj.com/yankees/2021/07/mlb-rumors-ya... If Brian Cashman wants to trade for Minnesota Twins right-hander Jose Berrios, he will face some competition from a pair of heavy hitters in the National League. MLB Network’s Jon Morosi reports that according to sources, the Twins are “discussing José Berríos in trade talks with multiple teams, including #Padres and #Dodgers.”



Twins are so fed up with the Yankees beating them in the Playoffs, I don't see them helping the Yankees if there is any other trade partner ??




In my opinion, the Twins don't care about that and will accept the best trade offer. Berrios would give the Yankees an excellent top 3 in their rotation like they used to have when they were winning championships.




Berrios has pitched in three post-season, and, as the Twins haven't won a postseason game in 20 years or so, hasn't won any of them.  He pitched poorly in relief in the Wild Card game in 2017. His start in game 1 of the 2019 ALDS was mediocre and brief, 3 runs and 1 earned run in 88 pitches over 4 innings. He made a solid start in game 2 of the 2020 ALDS vs. the Astros, but again, it was a short one. Just 1 run over 5 innings and 75 pitches.


So I don't know how solid he would be. Maybe he'd do better as the #2 or #3 guy after Cole and either Taillon or Kluber. But that's just speculation and very unlikely speculation at that.




Rare disagreement Qwik, We both could write a list of Hall of Famers who didn't play well in the postseason, that list would be even longer if I went by a player's first few postseason games. I'm not saying that Berrios is a Hall of Fame pitcher, but 3 appearances isn't enough to judge him by. He's had a good career so far and would probably be the Yankees best pitcher not named Cole.




Case in point owuld be Mariano Rivera, possibly the greatest postseason reliever ever with at least 3 or 4 of the most devastating lossing in playoff history.




There's no "possibly" ... as of today Mariano Rivera is the greatest post-season closer ever.




Rollie Fingers is competition. His only crime is his he didn't have as many postseason chances.




 Fingers in 30 post season appaearances was 4-4 with 9 saves and an ERA of 2.35. Rivera in 96 appearances was 8-1 with 42 saves and an ERA of 0.70. In what possible universe can you ever make such a dumb statement that Fingers is competition. For Rivera to have these numbers with so many opportunities makes this even more of a landslide. Not even close.




Listen to yourself.


How many appearances for Fingers?


How many appearances for Rivera?


Fingers had two bad postseasons, his first and his last.


Rivera, ditto.


And by the way, were there Divisional Series when Fingers pitched? Was he pitching to scrubs like the Twins?


Mickey Mantle must have been not that good, since people hit more HRs in the postseason than him, while he could only play in the World Series.





You are making my point. Rivera was head and shoulders above Fingers even with so many more opportunities that he could have failed. Fingers would have almost had to pitch perfect in every game (56 short of Mo) to come close to his ERA. That wasn't happening. This is simple Math but you must have failed that as well. The bigger the sample the more meaningful the numbers and in this case the more impressive.

2 months ago  ::  Jul 29, 2021 - 3:30PM #22
luvdayanks
Posts: 30,568

Jul 29, 2021 -- 3:20PM, bruner4329 wrote:


Jul 29, 2021 -- 3:10PM, Jon wrote:


Jul 28, 2021 -- 8:38PM, bruner4329 wrote:


Jul 28, 2021 -- 5:43PM, Jon wrote:


Jul 28, 2021 -- 4:57PM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Jul 28, 2021 -- 2:50PM, louisiana_lightning wrote:


Jul 28, 2021 -- 2:16PM, Max wrote:


Jul 27, 2021 -- 5:25PM, qwik3457 wrote:


Jul 27, 2021 -- 1:17PM, Max wrote:


Jul 27, 2021 -- 11:02AM, yankoldfan wrote:


Jul 27, 2021 -- 10:16AM, Jon wrote:

www.nj.com/yankees/2021/07/mlb-rumors-ya... If Brian Cashman wants to trade for Minnesota Twins right-hander Jose Berrios, he will face some competition from a pair of heavy hitters in the National League. MLB Network’s Jon Morosi reports that according to sources, the Twins are “discussing José Berríos in trade talks with multiple teams, including #Padres and #Dodgers.”



Twins are so fed up with the Yankees beating them in the Playoffs, I don't see them helping the Yankees if there is any other trade partner ??




In my opinion, the Twins don't care about that and will accept the best trade offer. Berrios would give the Yankees an excellent top 3 in their rotation like they used to have when they were winning championships.




Berrios has pitched in three post-season, and, as the Twins haven't won a postseason game in 20 years or so, hasn't won any of them.  He pitched poorly in relief in the Wild Card game in 2017. His start in game 1 of the 2019 ALDS was mediocre and brief, 3 runs and 1 earned run in 88 pitches over 4 innings. He made a solid start in game 2 of the 2020 ALDS vs. the Astros, but again, it was a short one. Just 1 run over 5 innings and 75 pitches.


So I don't know how solid he would be. Maybe he'd do better as the #2 or #3 guy after Cole and either Taillon or Kluber. But that's just speculation and very unlikely speculation at that.




Rare disagreement Qwik, We both could write a list of Hall of Famers who didn't play well in the postseason, that list would be even longer if I went by a player's first few postseason games. I'm not saying that Berrios is a Hall of Fame pitcher, but 3 appearances isn't enough to judge him by. He's had a good career so far and would probably be the Yankees best pitcher not named Cole.




Case in point owuld be Mariano Rivera, possibly the greatest postseason reliever ever with at least 3 or 4 of the most devastating lossing in playoff history.




There's no "possibly" ... as of today Mariano Rivera is the greatest post-season closer ever.




Rollie Fingers is competition. His only crime is his he didn't have as many postseason chances.




 Fingers in 30 post season appaearances was 4-4 with 9 saves and an ERA of 2.35. Rivera in 96 appearances was 8-1 with 42 saves and an ERA of 0.70. In what possible universe can you ever make such a dumb statement that Fingers is competition. For Rivera to have these numbers with so many opportunities makes this even more of a landslide. Not even close.




Listen to yourself.


How many appearances for Fingers?


How many appearances for Rivera?


Fingers had two bad postseasons, his first and his last.


Rivera, ditto.


And by the way, were there Divisional Series when Fingers pitched? Was he pitching to scrubs like the Twins?


Mickey Mantle must have been not that good, since people hit more HRs in the postseason than him, while he could only play in the World Series.





You are making my point. Rivera was head and shoulders above Fingers even with so many more opportunities that he could have failed. Fingers would have almost had to pitch perfect in every game (56 short of Mo) to come close to his ERA. That wasn't happening. This is simple Math but you must have failed that as well. The bigger the sample the more meaningful the numbers and in this case the more impressive.




You have a better chance talking to a brick wall than Jonah.

2 months ago  ::  Jul 30, 2021 - 12:56PM #23
Jon
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And he goes to an AL East team.

2 months ago  ::  Jul 30, 2021 - 1:16PM #24
qwik3457
Posts: 12,492

Jul 30, 2021 -- 12:56PM, Jon wrote:


And he goes to an AL East team.




For the #23 and #49 prospects in the Fangraphs top 100, a CF in AA and a pitcher in AAA, both major league ready or nearly so. A pretty steep price and one that the Yankees couldn't have matched, as they had no similar prospects in their system.

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