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3 months ago  ::  Jul 31, 2021 - 2:49PM #41
bruner4329
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Jul 31, 2021 -- 11:30AM, luvdayanks wrote:





I thought you hated Judge in the two hole?? I'd put Rizzo 2, Judge 3, Gallo 4 and Stanton 5 giving them a r,l, r,l,r the first five batters.




This is absolutely the way to go. Rizzo is a contact hitter and better suited for the 2 hole. Also put Gallo between Judge and Stanton to avoid to righties in a row. I also would prefer Sanchez ahead of Stanton especially the way Stanton is swinging the bat but Boone would never do that.

3 months ago  ::  Jul 31, 2021 - 2:56PM #42
luvdayanks
Posts: 30,710

Jul 31, 2021 -- 2:49PM, bruner4329 wrote:


Jul 31, 2021 -- 11:30AM, luvdayanks wrote:





I thought you hated Judge in the two hole?? I'd put Rizzo 2, Judge 3, Gallo 4 and Stanton 5 giving them a r,l, r,l,r the first five batters.




This is absolutely the way to go. Rizzo is a contact hitter and better suited for the 2 hole. Also put Gallo between Judge and Stanton to avoid to righties in a row. I also would prefer Sanchez ahead of Stanton especially the way Stanton is swinging the bat but Boone would never do that.




I though of switching them too, Bruner but it's pick your poison. Actually wouldn't mind seeing Gio 5 and dropping Stanton to 6, Torres 8.

3 months ago  ::  Jul 31, 2021 - 3:04PM #43
CHL59
Posts: 4,399

I like both suggestion you guys posed. Especially droppin Stanton to the last guy out of the "bombers." I also like Torres 8th. I have a feeling if his bad at bats continue he may not be our problem at the end of the season. I do hope Rizzo gets a deal here however. Torres getting thrown out of the game last night I had no problem with at all because that call was bogus but his frustration with his hitting AND fielding is starting to get to him at his age I get that also. In the meantime he hurts the team lately and he used to be near a lock with RISP in big spots, at least for awhile his first few seasons.

you miss 100% of the shots you don't take.
3 months ago  ::  Jul 31, 2021 - 4:31PM #44
jimwest
Posts: 4,740

Jul 31, 2021 -- 3:04PM, CHL59 wrote:


I like both suggestion you guys posed. Especially droppin Stanton to the last guy out of the "bombers." I also like Torres 8th. I have a feeling if his bad at bats continue he may not be our problem at the end of the season. I do hope Rizzo gets a deal here however. Torres getting thrown out of the game last night I had no problem with at all because that call was bogus but his frustration with his hitting AND fielding is starting to get to him at his age I get that also. In the meantime he hurts the team lately and he used to be near a lock with RISP in big spots, at least for awhile his first few seasons.




CHL, you seem to be very negative and down on Torres. He is still a 24 year old, very young, and has had a proven track offensive record. Excellent in 2019 and '19, forget '20. That was a bizarro year for many players. His numbers are not good, but not horrible, either. The RISP problems, K's, etc., have been a team-wide issue that the Yankees management must work on in the offseason, and improve. 


If the Yankees are really obtuse, then they will make Torres "not their problem" in the offseason. Giving up on a young player who has shown his production before, is not very intelligent. He would be snapped up in 15 seconds. Plus, they cannot have $20m-$25m+ players at most positions on the team. Torres isn't an FA until after 2024.


That is also a reason I was glad they did not trade Voit for some jetsam reliever with an ERA of 8 or worse. Voit is under control through 2024 as well. and has proven his worth offensively when healthy. Get him healthy and see if he can be what he was last year.

3 months ago  ::  Jul 31, 2021 - 4:47PM #45
jimwest
Posts: 4,740

Jul 31, 2021 -- 11:30AM, luvdayanks wrote:


I thought you hated Judge in the two hole?? I'd put Rizzo 2, Judge 3, Gallo 4 and Stanton 5 giving them a r,l, r,l,r the first five batters.




I'd go DJ 1, Rizzo 2, Judge 3, Gallo 4, Gio 5, Stanton 6, Voit DH7, Sanchez 8, Torres 9. Voit when healthy. A big, big plus is Stanton playing in the field sometimes. When that happens, he is in left, Judge/Gallo in CF, Judge/Gallo in RF. They could have flexibility in who DHs.


They could rotate who rests, and give Allen some PT in the OF. CF is the most demanding of the OF spots, so can't have Judge and Gallo play there that much. Alternating them with Allen would benefit all.

3 months ago  ::  Jul 31, 2021 - 5:38PM #46
CHL59
Posts: 4,399

Jul 31, 2021 -- 4:31PM, jimwest wrote:


Jul 31, 2021 -- 3:04PM, CHL59 wrote:


I like both suggestion you guys posed. Especially droppin Stanton to the last guy out of the "bombers." I also like Torres 8th. I have a feeling if his bad at bats continue he may not be our problem at the end of the season. I do hope Rizzo gets a deal here however. Torres getting thrown out of the game last night I had no problem with at all because that call was bogus but his frustration with his hitting AND fielding is starting to get to him at his age I get that also. In the meantime he hurts the team lately and he used to be near a lock with RISP in big spots, at least for awhile his first few seasons.




CHL, you seem to be very negative and down on Torres. He is still a 24 year old, very young, and has had a proven track offensive record. Excellent in 2019 and '19, forget '20. That was a bizarro year for many players. His numbers are not good, but not horrible, either. The RISP problems, K's, etc., have been a team-wide issue that the Yankees management must work on in the offseason, and improve. 


If the Yankees are really obtuse, then they will make Torres "not their problem" in the offseason. Giving up on a young player who has shown his production before, is not very intelligent. He would be snapped up in 15 seconds. Plus, they cannot have $20m-$25m+ players at most positions on the team. Torres isn't an FA until after 2024.


That is also a reason I was glad they did not trade Voit for some jetsam reliever with an ERA of 8 or worse. Voit is under control through 2024 as well. and has proven his worth offensively when healthy. Get him healthy and see if he can be what he was last year.




 Jim..I will agree he was a good hitter. He was average at second and below average at SS, though just a tick below. I am down on him because the coaches here now with the Yankees can't help him. They seem to have helped Odor and Urshela but some guys don't resond to them seemingly. I;m talking about the PC and Hitting coach Marcus. A PC can help a hitter with knowing the opposing pitcher and how to have him adjust to that pitcher. Torres seems lost against certain pitchers. Now that said is Torres having trouble listening and adjusting to what they feed him because sliders and other breaking balls seem to be eating that kid alive. I also have said they should try and get Voit right and to get him AB's let Stanton play LF at times. That's why I listed that line up and LDY and others have tweaked it to where it is even betterthan what I suggested. They want Torres 8th, like yourself here suggests, and I agree until he gets to be "who he was in 2018 and 2019."

you miss 100% of the shots you don't take.
3 months ago  ::  Jul 31, 2021 - 7:05PM #47
Lola
Posts: 28,630

Jul 31, 2021 -- 5:38PM, CHL59 wrote:


Jul 31, 2021 -- 4:31PM, jimwest wrote:


Jul 31, 2021 -- 3:04PM, CHL59 wrote:


I like both suggestion you guys posed. Especially droppin Stanton to the last guy out of the "bombers." I also like Torres 8th. I have a feeling if his bad at bats continue he may not be our problem at the end of the season. I do hope Rizzo gets a deal here however. Torres getting thrown out of the game last night I had no problem with at all because that call was bogus but his frustration with his hitting AND fielding is starting to get to him at his age I get that also. In the meantime he hurts the team lately and he used to be near a lock with RISP in big spots, at least for awhile his first few seasons.




CHL, you seem to be very negative and down on Torres. He is still a 24 year old, very young, and has had a proven track offensive record. Excellent in 2019 and '19, forget '20. That was a bizarro year for many players. His numbers are not good, but not horrible, either. The RISP problems, K's, etc., have been a team-wide issue that the Yankees management must work on in the offseason, and improve. 


If the Yankees are really obtuse, then they will make Torres "not their problem" in the offseason. Giving up on a young player who has shown his production before, is not very intelligent. He would be snapped up in 15 seconds. Plus, they cannot have $20m-$25m+ players at most positions on the team. Torres isn't an FA until after 2024.


That is also a reason I was glad they did not trade Voit for some jetsam reliever with an ERA of 8 or worse. Voit is under control through 2024 as well. and has proven his worth offensively when healthy. Get him healthy and see if he can be what he was last year.




 Jim..I will agree he was a good hitter. He was average at second and below average at SS, though just a tick below. I am down on him because the coaches here now with the Yankees can't help him. They seem to have helped Odor and Urshela but some guys don't resond to them seemingly. I;m talking about the PC and Hitting coach Marcus. A PC can help a hitter with knowing the opposing pitcher and how to have him adjust to that pitcher. Torres seems lost against certain pitchers. Now that said is Torres having trouble listening and adjusting to what they feed him because sliders and other breaking balls seem to be eating that kid alive. I also have said they should try and get Voit right and to get him AB's let Stanton play LF at times. That's why I listed that line up and LDY and others have tweaked it to where it is even betterthan what I suggested. They want Torres 8th, like yourself here suggests, and I agree until he gets to be "who he was in 2018 and 2019."




Same old stichk from Jpep... every player who slumps is "unteachable" or gets called a name. SMH

3 months ago  ::  Jul 31, 2021 - 8:55PM #48
jimwest
Posts: 4,740

Jul 31, 2021 -- 5:38PM, CHL59 wrote:


Jul 31, 2021 -- 4:31PM, jimwest wrote:


Jul 31, 2021 -- 3:04PM, CHL59 wrote:


I like both suggestion you guys posed. Especially droppin Stanton to the last guy out of the "bombers." I also like Torres 8th. I have a feeling if his bad at bats continue he may not be our problem at the end of the season. I do hope Rizzo gets a deal here however. Torres getting thrown out of the game last night I had no problem with at all because that call was bogus but his frustration with his hitting AND fielding is starting to get to him at his age I get that also. In the meantime he hurts the team lately and he used to be near a lock with RISP in big spots, at least for awhile his first few seasons.




CHL, you seem to be very negative and down on Torres. He is still a 24 year old, very young, and has had a proven track offensive record. Excellent in 2019 and '19, forget '20. That was a bizarro year for many players. His numbers are not good, but not horrible, either. The RISP problems, K's, etc., have been a team-wide issue that the Yankees management must work on in the offseason, and improve. 


If the Yankees are really obtuse, then they will make Torres "not their problem" in the offseason. Giving up on a young player who has shown his production before, is not very intelligent. He would be snapped up in 15 seconds. Plus, they cannot have $20m-$25m+ players at most positions on the team. Torres isn't an FA until after 2024.


That is also a reason I was glad they did not trade Voit for some jetsam reliever with an ERA of 8 or worse. Voit is under control through 2024 as well. and has proven his worth offensively when healthy. Get him healthy and see if he can be what he was last year.




 Jim..I will agree he was a good hitter. He was average at second and below average at SS, though just a tick below. I am down on him because the coaches here now with the Yankees can't help him. They seem to have helped Odor and Urshela but some guys don't resond to them seemingly. I;m talking about the PC and Hitting coach Marcus. A PC can help a hitter with knowing the opposing pitcher and how to have him adjust to that pitcher. Torres seems lost against certain pitchers. Now that said is Torres having trouble listening and adjusting to what they feed him because sliders and other breaking balls seem to be eating that kid alive. I also have said they should try and get Voit right and to get him AB's let Stanton play LF at times. That's why I listed that line up and LDY and others have tweaked it to where it is even betterthan what I suggested. They want Torres 8th, like yourself here suggests, and I agree until he gets to be "who he was in 2018 and 2019."




There are too many Yankee players with substandard BA's and OBP's. The coaches don't seem to be helping them either. Some of the hitters devolve into offensive comas that last far too long. Since it is so pervasive with the Yankees, the fault should lie more with the coaches.


This team hit very well before this season, but now is very offensively challenged. I doubt all these players just happened to forget how to hit at the same time without some "help". The Yanks mashed 306 HR's in 2019, but have a measly 128 this year to date. This team has some big, strong hitters, so that much shrinkage of power is peculiar, to understate it.


That is a very considerable dropoff. While MLB fiddling around with the baseball has had an impact with that, it still seems like a dramatic reduction in power.


Thames was not a especially good MLB hitter, he of the career .246 BA, .309 OBP, so I don't see him being a good HC. 

3 months ago  ::  Jul 31, 2021 - 9:05PM #49
CHL59
Posts: 4,399

Jul 31, 2021 -- 8:55PM, jimwest wrote:


Jul 31, 2021 -- 5:38PM, CHL59 wrote:


Jul 31, 2021 -- 4:31PM, jimwest wrote:


Jul 31, 2021 -- 3:04PM, CHL59 wrote:


I like both suggestion you guys posed. Especially droppin Stanton to the last guy out of the "bombers." I also like Torres 8th. I have a feeling if his bad at bats continue he may not be our problem at the end of the season. I do hope Rizzo gets a deal here however. Torres getting thrown out of the game last night I had no problem with at all because that call was bogus but his frustration with his hitting AND fielding is starting to get to him at his age I get that also. In the meantime he hurts the team lately and he used to be near a lock with RISP in big spots, at least for awhile his first few seasons.




CHL, you seem to be very negative and down on Torres. He is still a 24 year old, very young, and has had a proven track offensive record. Excellent in 2019 and '19, forget '20. That was a bizarro year for many players. His numbers are not good, but not horrible, either. The RISP problems, K's, etc., have been a team-wide issue that the Yankees management must work on in the offseason, and improve. 


If the Yankees are really obtuse, then they will make Torres "not their problem" in the offseason. Giving up on a young player who has shown his production before, is not very intelligent. He would be snapped up in 15 seconds. Plus, they cannot have $20m-$25m+ players at most positions on the team. Torres isn't an FA until after 2024.


That is also a reason I was glad they did not trade Voit for some jetsam reliever with an ERA of 8 or worse. Voit is under control through 2024 as well. and has proven his worth offensively when healthy. Get him healthy and see if he can be what he was last year.




 Jim..I will agree he was a good hitter. He was average at second and below average at SS, though just a tick below. I am down on him because the coaches here now with the Yankees can't help him. They seem to have helped Odor and Urshela but some guys don't resond to them seemingly. I;m talking about the PC and Hitting coach Marcus. A PC can help a hitter with knowing the opposing pitcher and how to have him adjust to that pitcher. Torres seems lost against certain pitchers. Now that said is Torres having trouble listening and adjusting to what they feed him because sliders and other breaking balls seem to be eating that kid alive. I also have said they should try and get Voit right and to get him AB's let Stanton play LF at times. That's why I listed that line up and LDY and others have tweaked it to where it is even betterthan what I suggested. They want Torres 8th, like yourself here suggests, and I agree until he gets to be "who he was in 2018 and 2019."




There are too many Yankee players with substandard BA's and OBP's. The coaches don't seem to be helping them either. Some of the hitters devolve into offensive comas that last far too long. Since it is so pervasive with the Yankees, the fault should lie more with the coaches.


This team hit very well before this season, but now is very offensively challenged. I doubt all these players just happened to forget how to hit at the same time without some "help". The Yanks mashed 306 HR's in 2019, but have a measly 128 this year to date. This team has some big, strong hitters, so that much shrinkage of power is peculiar, to understate it.


That is a very considerable dropoff. While MLB fiddling around with the baseball has had an impact with that, it still seems like a dramatic reduction in power.


Thames was not a especially good MLB hitter, he of the career .246 BA, .309 OBP, so I don't see him being a good HC. 




I doubt that Thames is here next year. I think he got a gift coming back this year. As for Stanton he is hitting a bit better and being more selective at the plate while playing Left field. They should use him out there more when Voit gets back. Also let him watch that sweet swing Rizzo has. OMG it is picture perfect, He swings through the ball with a smooth continuous motion and follow through. Stanton needs to stop swatting at the ball and swing through it like Rizzo. If Stanton develops that swing he would hit 500 ft home runs and looks  like he does like playing more than sitting I believe what he says when it was reported he WANTS to play out there. Let him I say see if he starts hitting again.. 

you miss 100% of the shots you don't take.
3 months ago  ::  Jul 31, 2021 - 9:17PM #50
Lola
Posts: 28,630

Jul 31, 2021 -- 8:55PM, jimwest wrote:


Jul 31, 2021 -- 5:38PM, CHL59 wrote:


Jul 31, 2021 -- 4:31PM, jimwest wrote:


Jul 31, 2021 -- 3:04PM, CHL59 wrote:


I like both suggestion you guys posed. Especially droppin Stanton to the last guy out of the "bombers." I also like Torres 8th. I have a feeling if his bad at bats continue he may not be our problem at the end of the season. I do hope Rizzo gets a deal here however. Torres getting thrown out of the game last night I had no problem with at all because that call was bogus but his frustration with his hitting AND fielding is starting to get to him at his age I get that also. In the meantime he hurts the team lately and he used to be near a lock with RISP in big spots, at least for awhile his first few seasons.




CHL, you seem to be very negative and down on Torres. He is still a 24 year old, very young, and has had a proven track offensive record. Excellent in 2019 and '19, forget '20. That was a bizarro year for many players. His numbers are not good, but not horrible, either. The RISP problems, K's, etc., have been a team-wide issue that the Yankees management must work on in the offseason, and improve. 


If the Yankees are really obtuse, then they will make Torres "not their problem" in the offseason. Giving up on a young player who has shown his production before, is not very intelligent. He would be snapped up in 15 seconds. Plus, they cannot have $20m-$25m+ players at most positions on the team. Torres isn't an FA until after 2024.


That is also a reason I was glad they did not trade Voit for some jetsam reliever with an ERA of 8 or worse. Voit is under control through 2024 as well. and has proven his worth offensively when healthy. Get him healthy and see if he can be what he was last year.




 Jim..I will agree he was a good hitter. He was average at second and below average at SS, though just a tick below. I am down on him because the coaches here now with the Yankees can't help him. They seem to have helped Odor and Urshela but some guys don't resond to them seemingly. I;m talking about the PC and Hitting coach Marcus. A PC can help a hitter with knowing the opposing pitcher and how to have him adjust to that pitcher. Torres seems lost against certain pitchers. Now that said is Torres having trouble listening and adjusting to what they feed him because sliders and other breaking balls seem to be eating that kid alive. I also have said they should try and get Voit right and to get him AB's let Stanton play LF at times. That's why I listed that line up and LDY and others have tweaked it to where it is even betterthan what I suggested. They want Torres 8th, like yourself here suggests, and I agree until he gets to be "who he was in 2018 and 2019."




There are too many Yankee players with substandard BA's and OBP's. The coaches don't seem to be helping them either. Some of the hitters devolve into offensive comas that last far too long. Since it is so pervasive with the Yankees, the fault should lie more with the coaches.


This team hit very well before this season, but now is very offensively challenged. I doubt all these players just happened to forget how to hit at the same time without some "help". The Yanks mashed 306 HR's in 2019, but have a measly 128 this year to date. This team has some big, strong hitters, so that much shrinkage of power is peculiar, to understate it.


That is a very considerable dropoff. While MLB fiddling around with the baseball has had an impact with that, it still seems like a dramatic reduction in power.


Thames was not a especially good MLB hitter, he of the career .246 BA, .309 OBP, so I don't see him being a good HC. 




I find it very peculiar the Yanks home run numbers are down so drastically. This team is built around the home run. I hate to sound like sour grapes but... MLB changing the baseball doesn't see fair. 

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