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Rosenthal reports Yanks are getting Andrew Heaney from the Angels, and not Maeda.
2 months ago  ::  Jul 30, 2021 - 3:51PM #1
qwik3457
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Like Holmes and Rodriguez, another pitcher with a much better xERA, FIP, and xFIP than his poor ERA which is over 5. Heaney is K'ing more than 10 per 9 and walking less than 3. High HR rate. I wonder if they'll turn him into a multi-inning reliver? Or maybe move Cortes into that role?

















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2 months ago  ::  Jul 30, 2021 - 4:02PM #2
Hobbs
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Would prefer Maeda but whatever. It's a Meh move.

2 months ago  ::  Jul 30, 2021 - 4:06PM #3
qwik3457
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Jason Junk, having an outstanding season at AA, but already 25, eligible for Rule 5, and apparently not in their top 45 prospects at Fangraphs appears to be the better of the two prospects they gave up to the Angels.


Elvis Peguero, a 24 year old reliever who's pitched very well at A and AA this year, was also eligible for Rule 5, and also not on the top 45, was the other prospect they gave up.


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2 months ago  ::  Jul 30, 2021 - 4:09PM #4
qwik3457
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Jul 30, 2021 -- 4:02PM, Hobbs wrote:


Would prefer Maeda but whatever. It's a Meh move.




As with Holmes and Rodriguez, his peripherals are much better than his ERA and surface stats. Maybe they can fix him somehow. Doubtful; he's been slowly fading away from his impressive rookie season. Probably a longtime Cashman favorite, and they also took care of two more prospects they would've had to protect from the Rule 5 draft or lose for nothing.


Their Rule 5 problems for this winter have been substantially reduced. Whether it helps them enough for this season...I doubt it.

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2 months ago  ::  Jul 30, 2021 - 4:32PM #5
hampfan
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Jul 30, 2021 -- 4:09PM, qwik3457 wrote:


Jul 30, 2021 -- 4:02PM, Hobbs wrote:


Would prefer Maeda but whatever. It's a Meh move.




As with Holmes and Rodriguez, his peripherals are much better than his ERA and surface stats. Maybe they can fix him somehow. Doubtful; he's been slowly fading away from his impressive rookie season. Probably a longtime Cashman favorite, and they also took care of two more prospects they would've had to protect from the Rule 5 draft or lose for nothing.


Their Rule 5 problems for this winter have been substantially reduced. Whether it helps them enough for this season...I doubt it.




The "Meh" reaction is too optimistic.

2 months ago  ::  Jul 30, 2021 - 4:38PM #6
qwik3457
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Jul 30, 2021 -- 4:32PM, hampfan wrote:


Jul 30, 2021 -- 4:09PM, qwik3457 wrote:


Jul 30, 2021 -- 4:02PM, Hobbs wrote:


Would prefer Maeda but whatever. It's a Meh move.




As with Holmes and Rodriguez, his peripherals are much better than his ERA and surface stats. Maybe they can fix him somehow. Doubtful; he's been slowly fading away from his impressive rookie season. Probably a longtime Cashman favorite, and they also took care of two more prospects they would've had to protect from the Rule 5 draft or lose for nothing.


Their Rule 5 problems for this winter have been substantially reduced. Whether it helps them enough for this season...I doubt it.




The "Meh" reaction is too optimistic.




Maybe so, but Eno Sarris, an analytics guy who used to write for Fangraphs, and now for The Athletic, tweeted this:


Very interested to see what Matthew Blake does with Andrew Heaney. He’s always off the charts by advanced metrics (104 Stuff+, 107 Command+, top 25 K-BB), has high spin, low slot 4-seamer, and has underperformed his estimators. Tough park, but maybe some clay here to be molded.


And Jay Jaffe, an analytics guy who used to write for Baseball Prospectus and now for Fangraphs, tweeted this:


I'll additionally note that his 5.22 ERA reflects the impact of pitching in front of one of MLB's worst defenses; 4.05 FIP and 4.22 xERA offer more hope.


Now, I think that Heaney is mediocre at best, and the Yanks don't traditionally "fix pitchers" very well, but they now have three "projects" whose xERA, FIP, and xFIP are all at least a run better, or more, than their ERAs. Will any of them work? Odds are at least one of them will, but not all three.

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2 months ago  ::  Jul 30, 2021 - 5:27PM #7
jimwest
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Heaney is a lefty, and just 30, but that is about all the good points. He was a career Angel, 8 years, and they gave up on him by trading him. They are a team that really needs pitching. So the underlying stats of Heaney didn't impress them.


He is a rental, but more costly and not as good, as Kent Maeda would have been. The Yankees have 26 (!) pitchers on the 40 man. (yes, some are on the IL), but how much "depth" of pitching does this team need?  The two relievers they traded for have garbage stats.


They pick up virtually any pitcher with a pulse. Cashman continues to fantasize that quantity equals quality. None of these arms move the needle towards making this a better team in the slightest.  

2 months ago  ::  Jul 30, 2021 - 5:29PM #8
Jon
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Jul 30, 2021 -- 5:27PM, jimwest wrote:


Heaney is a lefty, and just 30, but that is about all the good points. He was a career Angel, 8 years, and they gave up on him by trading him. They are a team that really needs pitching. So the underlying stats of Heaney didn't impress them.





30 is more than old enough to be dealt in a rebuild on a team that is two players and nothing else.

2 months ago  ::  Jul 30, 2021 - 5:32PM #9
dixieyank
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Is this more about Kluber and other IL residents, perhaps not coming back this season?


I mean, this guy is pretty much bottom of the barrel, if you were looking for SP help, no?

2 months ago  ::  Jul 30, 2021 - 5:36PM #10
jimwest
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Jul 30, 2021 -- 5:29PM, Jon wrote:


Jul 30, 2021 -- 5:27PM, jimwest wrote:


Heaney is a lefty, and just 30, but that is about all the good points. He was a career Angel, 8 years, and they gave up on him by trading him. They are a team that really needs pitching.  So the underlying stats of Heaney didn't impress them.





30 is more than old enough to be dealt in a rebuild on a team that is two players and nothing else.




Angels are far from only 2 players. They have one of the better offenses in the AL. Plenty of production aside from Trout, who has been on the IL a long time, and Ohtani. They need pitching badly. Only the Orioles and Rangers have surrendered more runs in the AL.


Trading Heaney indicates he isn't good, or even marginally good.

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