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2 months ago  ::  Aug 21, 2021 - 2:41PM #101
jimwest
Posts: 4,729

Aug 21, 2021 -- 11:18AM, Rob wrote:


No doubt, but, in fairness up until early July the Yankees were playing listless, boring baseball, losing on a regular basis.  I was one of those who was pretty much following the games only on MLB gameday because I had more interesting things to do and watch than watch them kill rallies by hitting into DPs, get thrown out on the bases and blow late game leads.  They were dead last in BA with RISP and second to last in percentage of base runners scored.  The trade deadline has changed all that.


I thought we might be doing some scoreboard watching for a WC spot.  Didn't expect to be doing it for the AL East.  Actually stayed up last night to follow the Tampa-Chisox game on MLB Gameday.




You are correct. They were a lifeless, dull team the first half. They had a 46-43 record on July 11th, the end of the first half.


That day, they blew a 7-2 lead to the Astros, coughing  up 6 runs in the bottom of the 9th.  One of those gutwrenching losses they sustained in the first half. I stilll watched the games and rooted for them as always. But virtually no one seriously believed this was anything resembling a championship contender at that point. 

2 months ago  ::  Aug 21, 2021 - 2:49PM #102
GottaGoToMo
Posts: 84,622

Aug 21, 2021 -- 2:41PM, jimwest wrote:


Aug 21, 2021 -- 11:18AM, Rob wrote:


No doubt, but, in fairness up until early July the Yankees were playing listless, boring baseball, losing on a regular basis.  I was one of those who was pretty much following the games only on MLB gameday because I had more interesting things to do and watch than watch them kill rallies by hitting into DPs, get thrown out on the bases and blow late game leads.  They were dead last in BA with RISP and second to last in percentage of base runners scored.  The trade deadline has changed all that.


I thought we might be doing some scoreboard watching for a WC spot.  Didn't expect to be doing it for the AL East.  Actually stayed up last night to follow the Tampa-Chisox game on MLB Gameday.




You are correct. They were a lifeless, dull team the first half. They had a 46-43 record on July 11th, the end of the first half.


That day, they blew a 7-2 lead to the Astros, coughing  up 6 runs in the bottom of the 9th.  One of those gutwrenching losses they sustained in the first half. I stilll watched the games and rooted for them as always. But virtually no one seriously believed this was anything resembling a championship contender at that point. 




You think we would have all learned by now never to count the Yankees out until they are mathematically eliminated.

2 months ago  ::  Aug 21, 2021 - 3:18PM #103
jimwest
Posts: 4,729

Aug 21, 2021 -- 2:49PM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Aug 21, 2021 -- 2:41PM, jimwest wrote:


Aug 21, 2021 -- 11:18AM, Rob wrote:


No doubt, but, in fairness up until early July the Yankees were playing listless, boring baseball, losing on a regular basis.  I was one of those who was pretty much following the games only on MLB gameday because I had more interesting things to do and watch than watch them kill rallies by hitting into DPs, get thrown out on the bases and blow late game leads.  They were dead last in BA with RISP and second to last in percentage of base runners scored.  The trade deadline has changed all that.


I thought we might be doing some scoreboard watching for a WC spot.  Didn't expect to be doing it for the AL East.  Actually stayed up last night to follow the Tampa-Chisox game on MLB Gameday.




You are correct. They were a lifeless, dull team the first half. They had a 46-43 record on July 11th, the end of the first half.


That day, they blew a 7-2 lead to the Astros, coughing  up 6 runs in the bottom of the 9th.  One of those gutwrenching losses they sustained in the first half. I stilll watched the games and rooted for them as always. But virtually no one seriously believed this was anything resembling a championship contender at that point. 




You think we would have all learned by now never to count the Yankees out until they are mathematically eliminated.




This team looked very mediocre until the AS break. It is one thing to stay a fan and root, but unrealistic to believe they are championship calibre when they looked as they did then. 


It is hyperbole to say "never". There have been plenty of years the Yankees didn't win, or even reach, the World Series. They did not make the playoffs as recently as 2013, 14, and 16, failing to win even 88 games those years.

2 months ago  ::  Aug 21, 2021 - 3:19PM #104
GottaGoToMo
Posts: 84,622

Aug 21, 2021 -- 3:18PM, jimwest wrote:


Aug 21, 2021 -- 2:49PM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Aug 21, 2021 -- 2:41PM, jimwest wrote:


Aug 21, 2021 -- 11:18AM, Rob wrote:


No doubt, but, in fairness up until early July the Yankees were playing listless, boring baseball, losing on a regular basis.  I was one of those who was pretty much following the games only on MLB gameday because I had more interesting things to do and watch than watch them kill rallies by hitting into DPs, get thrown out on the bases and blow late game leads.  They were dead last in BA with RISP and second to last in percentage of base runners scored.  The trade deadline has changed all that.


I thought we might be doing some scoreboard watching for a WC spot.  Didn't expect to be doing it for the AL East.  Actually stayed up last night to follow the Tampa-Chisox game on MLB Gameday.




You are correct. They were a lifeless, dull team the first half. They had a 46-43 record on July 11th, the end of the first half.


That day, they blew a 7-2 lead to the Astros, coughing  up 6 runs in the bottom of the 9th.  One of those gutwrenching losses they sustained in the first half. I stilll watched the games and rooted for them as always. But virtually no one seriously believed this was anything resembling a championship contender at that point. 




You think we would have all learned by now never to count the Yankees out until they are mathematically eliminated.




This team looked very mediocre until the AS break. It is one thing to stay a fan and root, but unrealistic to believe they are championship calibre when they looked as they did then. 


It is hyperbole to say "never". There have been plenty of years the Yankees didn't win, or even reach, the World Series. They did not make the playoffs as recently as 2013, 14, and 16, failing to win even 88 games those years.




I didn't say you can "never" count them out ... but I think it would be a good idea to wait until they are mathematically eliminated.

2 months ago  ::  Aug 21, 2021 - 3:25PM #105
jimwest
Posts: 4,729

Aug 21, 2021 -- 3:19PM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Aug 21, 2021 -- 3:18PM, jimwest wrote:


Aug 21, 2021 -- 2:49PM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Aug 21, 2021 -- 2:41PM, jimwest wrote:


Aug 21, 2021 -- 11:18AM, Rob wrote:


No doubt, but, in fairness up until early July the Yankees were playing listless, boring baseball, losing on a regular basis.  I was one of those who was pretty much following the games only on MLB gameday because I had more interesting things to do and watch than watch them kill rallies by hitting into DPs, get thrown out on the bases and blow late game leads.  They were dead last in BA with RISP and second to last in percentage of base runners scored.  The trade deadline has changed all that.


I thought we might be doing some scoreboard watching for a WC spot.  Didn't expect to be doing it for the AL East.  Actually stayed up last night to follow the Tampa-Chisox game on MLB Gameday.




You are correct. They were a lifeless, dull team the first half. They had a 46-43 record on July 11th, the end of the first half.


That day, they blew a 7-2 lead to the Astros, coughing  up 6 runs in the bottom of the 9th.  One of those gutwrenching losses they sustained in the first half. I stilll watched the games and rooted for them as always. But virtually no one seriously believed this was anything resembling a championship contender at that point. 




You think we would have all learned by now never to count the Yankees out until they are mathematically eliminated.




This team looked very mediocre until the AS break. It is one thing to stay a fan and root, but unrealistic to believe they are championship calibre when they looked as they did then. 


It is hyperbole to say "never". There have been plenty of years the Yankees didn't win, or even reach, the World Series. They did not make the playoffs as recently as 2013, 14, and 16, failing to win even 88 games those years.




I didn't say you can "never" count them out ... but I think it would be a good idea to wait until they are mathematically eliminated.




Mo, look at your prior post to me. You did use the word "never". I would not have claimed that if it wasn't there.


I always still root for the Yanks, even in past years when they were bad, like back in the early 90's. But I am always a realist. This year's first half, they were bad at hitting, scoring few runs, bad with RISP, there was a ton of GIDP's, sloppy fielding and baserunning. Everyone saw the same performance I did. 

2 months ago  ::  Aug 21, 2021 - 3:29PM #106
GottaGoToMo
Posts: 84,622

Aug 21, 2021 -- 3:25PM, jimwest wrote:


Aug 21, 2021 -- 3:19PM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Aug 21, 2021 -- 3:18PM, jimwest wrote:


Aug 21, 2021 -- 2:49PM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Aug 21, 2021 -- 2:41PM, jimwest wrote:


Aug 21, 2021 -- 11:18AM, Rob wrote:


No doubt, but, in fairness up until early July the Yankees were playing listless, boring baseball, losing on a regular basis.  I was one of those who was pretty much following the games only on MLB gameday because I had more interesting things to do and watch than watch them kill rallies by hitting into DPs, get thrown out on the bases and blow late game leads.  They were dead last in BA with RISP and second to last in percentage of base runners scored.  The trade deadline has changed all that.


I thought we might be doing some scoreboard watching for a WC spot.  Didn't expect to be doing it for the AL East.  Actually stayed up last night to follow the Tampa-Chisox game on MLB Gameday.




You are correct. They were a lifeless, dull team the first half. They had a 46-43 record on July 11th, the end of the first half.


That day, they blew a 7-2 lead to the Astros, coughing  up 6 runs in the bottom of the 9th.  One of those gutwrenching losses they sustained in the first half. I stilll watched the games and rooted for them as always. But virtually no one seriously believed this was anything resembling a championship contender at that point. 




You think we would have all learned by now never to count the Yankees out until they are mathematically eliminated.




This team looked very mediocre until the AS break. It is one thing to stay a fan and root, but unrealistic to believe they are championship calibre when they looked as they did then. 


It is hyperbole to say "never". There have been plenty of years the Yankees didn't win, or even reach, the World Series. They did not make the playoffs as recently as 2013, 14, and 16, failing to win even 88 games those years.




I didn't say you can "never" count them out ... but I think it would be a good idea to wait until they are mathematically eliminated.




Mo, look at your prior post to me. You did use the word "never". I would not have claimed that if it wasn't there.


I always still root for the Yanks, even in past years when they were bad, like back in the early 90's. But I am always a realist. This year's first half, they were bad at hitting, scoring few runs, bad with RISP, there was a ton of GIDP's, sloppy fielding and baserunning. Everyone saw the same performance I did. 




You're right, I did say never ... and I do indeed live by that ... I never count the Yankees out until they are mathematically eliminated.


As far as being a realist, there was a realist here in 2009 named Idantoni ... she kept hammering away all season we wouldn't make it ... I made a thread "We are going to win" ... in the end, I know you know who was left standing.

2 months ago  ::  Aug 21, 2021 - 3:37PM #107
jimwest
Posts: 4,729

Aug 21, 2021 -- 3:29PM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Aug 21, 2021 -- 3:25PM, jimwest wrote:


Aug 21, 2021 -- 3:19PM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Aug 21, 2021 -- 3:18PM, jimwest wrote:


Aug 21, 2021 -- 2:49PM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Aug 21, 2021 -- 2:41PM, jimwest wrote:


Aug 21, 2021 -- 11:18AM, Rob wrote:


No doubt, but, in fairness up until early July the Yankees were playing listless, boring baseball, losing on a regular basis.  I was one of those who was pretty much following the games only on MLB gameday because I had more interesting things to do and watch than watch them kill rallies by hitting into DPs, get thrown out on the bases and blow late game leads.  They were dead last in BA with RISP and second to last in percentage of base runners scored.  The trade deadline has changed all that.


I thought we might be doing some scoreboard watching for a WC spot.  Didn't expect to be doing it for the AL East.  Actually stayed up last night to follow the Tampa-Chisox game on MLB Gameday.




You are correct. They were a lifeless, dull team the first half. They had a 46-43 record on July 11th, the end of the first half.


That day, they blew a 7-2 lead to the Astros, coughing  up 6 runs in the bottom of the 9th.  One of those gutwrenching losses they sustained in the first half. I stilll watched the games and rooted for them as always. But virtually no one seriously believed this was anything resembling a championship contender at that point. 




You think we would have all learned by now never to count the Yankees out until they are mathematically eliminated.




This team looked very mediocre until the AS break. It is one thing to stay a fan and root, but unrealistic to believe they are championship calibre when they looked as they did then. 


It is hyperbole to say "never". There have been plenty of years the Yankees didn't win, or even reach, the World Series. They did not make the playoffs as recently as 2013, 14, and 16, failing to win even 88 games those years.




I didn't say you can "never" count them out ... but I think it would be a good idea to wait until they are mathematically eliminated.




Mo, look at your prior post to me. You did use the word "never". I would not have claimed that if it wasn't there.


I always still root for the Yanks, even in past years when they were bad, like back in the early 90's. But I am always a realist. This year's first half, they were bad at hitting, scoring few runs, bad with RISP, there was a ton of GIDP's, sloppy fielding and baserunning. Everyone saw the same performance I did. 




You're right, I did say never ... and I do indeed live by that ... I never count the Yankees out until they are mathematically eliminated.


As far as being a realist, there was a realist here in 2009 named Idantoni ... she kept hammering away all season we wouldn't make it ... I made a thread "We are going to win" ... in the end, I know you know who was left standing.




Yes, the reality is the Yankees have been in one World Series since 2003. Taking the one year of 2009 is cherry picking. I'm sure there are plenty of years people thought the Yankees were going to win the WS and they did not. And since the Yanks have only won one in the past 20 years, those people have been right far more often.


No need to keep going back and forth about this. I'm just enjoying how much this team has changed since the break, with the trades, and filli-in players who have seemingly helped change the dynamic of the team. 

2 months ago  ::  Aug 21, 2021 - 3:38PM #108
GottaGoToMo
Posts: 84,622

Aug 21, 2021 -- 3:37PM, jimwest wrote:


Aug 21, 2021 -- 3:29PM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Aug 21, 2021 -- 3:25PM, jimwest wrote:


Aug 21, 2021 -- 3:19PM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Aug 21, 2021 -- 3:18PM, jimwest wrote:


Aug 21, 2021 -- 2:49PM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


Aug 21, 2021 -- 2:41PM, jimwest wrote:


Aug 21, 2021 -- 11:18AM, Rob wrote:


No doubt, but, in fairness up until early July the Yankees were playing listless, boring baseball, losing on a regular basis.  I was one of those who was pretty much following the games only on MLB gameday because I had more interesting things to do and watch than watch them kill rallies by hitting into DPs, get thrown out on the bases and blow late game leads.  They were dead last in BA with RISP and second to last in percentage of base runners scored.  The trade deadline has changed all that.


I thought we might be doing some scoreboard watching for a WC spot.  Didn't expect to be doing it for the AL East.  Actually stayed up last night to follow the Tampa-Chisox game on MLB Gameday.




You are correct. They were a lifeless, dull team the first half. They had a 46-43 record on July 11th, the end of the first half.


That day, they blew a 7-2 lead to the Astros, coughing  up 6 runs in the bottom of the 9th.  One of those gutwrenching losses they sustained in the first half. I stilll watched the games and rooted for them as always. But virtually no one seriously believed this was anything resembling a championship contender at that point. 




You think we would have all learned by now never to count the Yankees out until they are mathematically eliminated.




This team looked very mediocre until the AS break. It is one thing to stay a fan and root, but unrealistic to believe they are championship calibre when they looked as they did then. 


It is hyperbole to say "never". There have been plenty of years the Yankees didn't win, or even reach, the World Series. They did not make the playoffs as recently as 2013, 14, and 16, failing to win even 88 games those years.




I didn't say you can "never" count them out ... but I think it would be a good idea to wait until they are mathematically eliminated.




Mo, look at your prior post to me. You did use the word "never". I would not have claimed that if it wasn't there.


I always still root for the Yanks, even in past years when they were bad, like back in the early 90's. But I am always a realist. This year's first half, they were bad at hitting, scoring few runs, bad with RISP, there was a ton of GIDP's, sloppy fielding and baserunning. Everyone saw the same performance I did. 




You're right, I did say never ... and I do indeed live by that ... I never count the Yankees out until they are mathematically eliminated.


As far as being a realist, there was a realist here in 2009 named Idantoni ... she kept hammering away all season we wouldn't make it ... I made a thread "We are going to win" ... in the end, I know you know who was left standing.




Yes, the reality is the Yankees have been in one World Series since 2003. Taking the one year of 2009 is cherry picking. I'm sure there are plenty of years people thought the Yankees were going to win the WS and they did not. And since the Yanks have only won one in the past 20 years, those people have been right far more often.


No need to keep going back and forth about this. I'm just enjoying how much this team has changed since the break, with the trades, and filli-in players who have seemingly helped change the dynamic of the team. 




No reason to go back and forth, but I'd rather be an avid Yankee fan who always thinks it's possible, than a realist.

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