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4 months ago  ::  Aug 23, 2021 - 11:03AM #1
newinn
Posts: 38,002

If the Yankees let him go at seasons end I would get it. Not because he is the bad GM so many fans claim him to be but Hal might think after all this time it might be time for a different set of eyes.



I think it was a poorly constructed roster going into the season. Too righthanded, not enough pitching and lacking speed. That being said, the corrections he made at the deadline while keeping Hal's payroll mandate were amazing. Add that to what he did in 2016 by rebuilding this team into an instant contender was nothing short of amazing. IMO he's one of the very best GM's in baseball and has been for many years.



Aword on Boone. I think he has a little Joe Torre in him. I think he does a great job managing the clubhouse and with all the analytics running the game more then ever that along with bullpen management has become the most important part of the job. JMO

4 months ago  ::  Aug 23, 2021 - 11:26AM #2
GottaGoToMo
Posts: 84,638

After what Cashman did at the trade deadline, I wouldn't be surprised if they promote him ... then they can bring in some fresh blood.

4 months ago  ::  Aug 23, 2021 - 11:27AM #3
1955nyyfan
Posts: 2,927

Aug 23, 2021 -- 11:03AM, newinn wrote:


If the Yankees let him go at seasons end I would get it. Not because he is the bad GM so many fans claim him to be but Hal might think after all this time it might be time for a different set of eyes.



I think it was a poorly constructed roster going into the season. Too righthanded, not enough pitching and lacking speed. That being said, the corrections he made at the deadline while keeping Hal's payroll mandate were amazing. Add that to what he did in 2016 by rebuilding this team into an instant contender was nothing short of amazing. IMO he's one of the very best GM's in baseball and has been for many years.



Aword on Boone. I think he has a little Joe Torre in him. I think he does a great job managing the clubhouse and with all the analytics running the game more then ever that along with bullpen management has become the most important part of the job. JMO




New, As you know, I'm not as high on Cash as you are but I will agree he's done some good work and deserves credit for helping to turn this team around. Barring a collapse and the Yankees missing the playoffs or being eliminated in the WC game, I see both Cash and Boone's jobs being safe for another year at least. Even if the Yanks have a poor finish I think they could both be back. I don't think Hal likes making big changes and his earlier comments seemed to be more directed at players stepping up rather than management bearing the most responsibility for poor play. As I've said before, I'm not sure who besides Cash has Hal's ear when it comes to baseball decisions but IMO, there are a number of candidates who scare me. So, while I'm not the biggest Cashman fan, I'm also fearful that alternatives could be much worse. How's that for fence sitting? 

4 months ago  ::  Aug 23, 2021 - 11:50AM #4
bumper
Posts: 10,551

Aug 23, 2021 -- 11:03AM, newinn wrote:


If the Yankees let him go at seasons end I would get it. Not because he is the bad GM so many fans claim him to be but Hal might think after all this time it might be time for a different set of eyes.



I think it was a poorly constructed roster going into the season. Too righthanded, not enough pitching and lacking speed. That being said, the corrections he made at the deadline while keeping Hal's payroll mandate were amazing. Add that to what he did in 2016 by rebuilding this team into an instant contender was nothing short of amazing. IMO he's one of the very best GM's in baseball and has been for many years.



Aword on Boone. I think he has a little Joe Torre in him. I think he does a great job managing the clubhouse and with all the analytics running the game more then ever that along with bullpen management has become the most important part of the job. JMO




agree. pretty much last couple years. 2018 torres, andujar and voit emerged. 2019 gio and the "next man up". this year's TDL makeover for amazingly no money and 3 pretty productive "dives" in cortes, peralta and odor. and yeah he's fallen short in pitching, the righty lineup and lack of speed departments.


think this run, no matter the outcome, has earned both cashman & boone a pass.

4 months ago  ::  Aug 23, 2021 - 11:58AM #5
1955nyyfan
Posts: 2,927

Aug 23, 2021 -- 11:26AM, GottaGoToMo wrote:


After what Cashman did at the trade deadline, I wouldn't be surprised if they promote him ... then they can bring in some fresh blood.




I've heard the theory about Cashman being promoted before but as well as being GM, he is also a Senior Vice President. I guess a promotion would be to President, a position held by Randy Levine who I personally feel is a POS. I think he is also a favorite of the Steinbrenners so I don't see him going anywhere anytime soon. 

4 months ago  ::  Aug 23, 2021 - 1:35PM #6
jimwest
Posts: 4,793

Aug 23, 2021 -- 11:27AM, 1955nyyfan wrote:


 I don't think Hal likes making big changes and his earlier comments seemed to be more directed at players stepping up rather than management bearing the most responsibility for poor play. As I've said before, I'm not sure who besides Cash has Hal's ear when it comes to baseball decisions but IMO, there are a number of candidates who scare me. So, while I'm not the biggest Cashman fan, I'm also fearful that alternatives could be much worse. How's that for fence sitting? 




Hal laid the blame for the Yankees poor first half performance on the players. Therefore, they deserve the credit for the turnaround, not Cashman, not Boone. The trades helped, but without the Yankee regulars, bench players, and minor league guys stepping up, it would have mattered little.


A team's management should not be paralyzed in a state of inertia due to being afraid of an alternative GM being worse.  If they thought that, I'd be concerned about their smarts in being able to hire the right personnel across the board in running a MLB team's organization. 


Cashman has been here 23 years - far, far longer than any other MLB GM has been on all other teams. I feel it is time they consider a change, a fresh approach to building future Yankee teams.  

4 months ago  ::  Aug 23, 2021 - 1:41PM #7
jimwest
Posts: 4,793

Aug 23, 2021 -- 11:03AM, newinn wrote:


If the Yankees let him go at seasons end I would get it. Not because he is the bad GM so many fans claim him to be but Hal might think after all this time it might be time for a different set of eyes.


I would agree if Hal felt it was time for a change. He should consider it.



I think it was a poorly constructed roster going into the season. Too righthanded, not enough pitching and lacking speed. That being said, the corrections he made at the deadline while keeping Hal's payroll mandate were amazing. Add that to what he did in 2016 by rebuilding this team into an instant contender was nothing short of amazing. IMO he's one of the very best GM's in baseball and has been for many years.


Agree - poorly constructed. An all-RH lineup was not smart, to understate it. That, along with Cashman's failure to develop more than a handful of good pitchers from the farm system in recent years reflect his failing ability to build a good team overall.



Aword on Boone. I think he has a little Joe Torre in him. I think he does a great job managing the clubhouse and with all the analytics running the game more then ever that along with bullpen management has become the most important part of the job. JMO




Don't find him to be a good handler of pitching. His lineups are too chaotic, too often. Would like to see a guy like Bob Melvin here next year, or in 2023.

4 months ago  ::  Aug 23, 2021 - 2:45PM #8
CHL59
Posts: 4,399

While Cashman has made good moves a lot have been questionable and more than just a few objectionable and one just plain crazy. His idea of an all righty lineup with guys that could hit to the opposite field to reach the short porch was a dream.. Not a Cashman fan, but he is going nowhere..not next season anyway IMO. Would I want him to, yes I would. 11 years is a long time for no Championship under the same GM.


 IMO No one will be happier than Boone when this season is over and I am sure he wants to go out a winner, but I stick by my original thoughts on him. I think he regards his family and his health more important than another season or two with the Yankees and he will retire due to "Health" reasons. Or at least he should. This team has shown some fire, guts, heart and a desire to win when they got help. He does not have the same intensity he had with the "savages in the box" mentality he spoke of. It showed on him and then the team, until he and they got reinforcements. 


That IMO is why the rest stepped up off the canvas and started to fight. Not because of who they got, as much as they saw the F O was trying to send help, they want to win is what that showed. Hal is Hal. His biggest fault is his too slow decision making, so he doesn't make "knee Jerk" reactions to problems. Well, 11 years with no World Series rings is now not a knee Jerk reaction for a leadership change. Will it happen? Stay tuned. Who ever the GM is, they will have one hell of job trying to keep the good and let go of the bad and the ugly IMO. It won't be easy. I thin k right now these guys have that great line from the Championship years. "We play today, we win today." Gotta love that!

you miss 100% of the shots you don't take.
4 months ago  ::  Aug 23, 2021 - 3:01PM #9
1955nyyfan
Posts: 2,927

Aug 23, 2021 -- 1:35PM, jimwest wrote:


Aug 23, 2021 -- 11:27AM, 1955nyyfan wrote:


 I don't think Hal likes making big changes and his earlier comments seemed to be more directed at players stepping up rather than management bearing the most responsibility for poor play. As I've said before, I'm not sure who besides Cash has Hal's ear when it comes to baseball decisions but IMO, there are a number of candidates who scare me. So, while I'm not the biggest Cashman fan, I'm also fearful that alternatives could be much worse. How's that for fence sitting? 




Hal laid the blame for the Yankees poor first half performance on the players. Therefore, they deserve the credit for the turnaround, not Cashman, not Boone. The trades helped, but without the Yankee regulars, bench players, and minor league guys stepping up, it would have mattered little.


A team's management should not be paralyzed in a state of inertia due to being afraid of an alternative GM being worse.  If they thought that, I'd be concerned about their smarts in being able to hire the right personnel across the board in running a MLB team's organization. 


Cashman has been here 23 years - far, far longer than any other MLB GM has been on all other teams. I feel it is time they consider a change, a fresh approach to building future Yankee teams.  




Jim, I brought up the Hal statement because when he made it, I came to the conclusion that both Cashman and Boone were safe. Now that the team is playing better I think it is even a greater liklihood that both are back. 


As far as the GM position being made worse, I didn't mean to imply Hal has that fear, I'm pretty sure he trusts the people offerring him advice or they would be gone. I don't pretend to know who his closest advisors are and if they are any good or not. I wouldn't trust Hal with making a baseball decison without advice from a baseball guy. I have a fear he may be taking advice from Levine, my fear may be irrational , but I have a very strong dislike of Levine and consider him to be a bit of an azz.

4 months ago  ::  Aug 23, 2021 - 5:45PM #10
jimwest
Posts: 4,793

Aug 23, 2021 -- 3:01PM, 1955nyyfan wrote:


Aug 23, 2021 -- 1:35PM, jimwest wrote:


Aug 23, 2021 -- 11:27AM, 1955nyyfan wrote:


 I don't think Hal likes making big changes and his earlier comments seemed to be more directed at players stepping up rather than management bearing the most responsibility for poor play. As I've said before, I'm not sure who besides Cash has Hal's ear when it comes to baseball decisions but IMO, there are a number of candidates who scare me. So, while I'm not the biggest Cashman fan, I'm also fearful that alternatives could be much worse. How's that for fence sitting? 




Hal laid the blame for the Yankees poor first half performance on the players. Therefore, they deserve the credit for the turnaround, not Cashman, not Boone. The trades helped, but without the Yankee regulars, bench players, and minor league guys stepping up, it would have mattered little.


A team's management should not be paralyzed in a state of inertia due to being afraid of an alternative GM being worse.  If they thought that, I'd be concerned about their smarts in being able to hire the right personnel across the board in running a MLB team's organization. 


Cashman has been here 23 years - far, far longer than any other MLB GM has been on all other teams. I feel it is time they consider a change, a fresh approach to building future Yankee teams.  




Jim, I brought up the Hal statement because when he made it, I came to the conclusion that both Cashman and Boone were safe. Now that the team is playing better I think it is even a greater liklihood that both are back. 


As far as the GM position being made worse, I didn't mean to imply Hal has that fear, I'm pretty sure he trusts the people offerring him advice or they would be gone. I don't pretend to know who his closest advisors are and if they are any good or not. I wouldn't trust Hal with making a baseball decison without advice from a baseball guy. I have a fear he may be taking advice from Levine, my fear may be irrational , but I have a very strong dislike of Levine and consider him to be a bit of an azz.




Your conclusion that Cashman and Boone were safe I'd concur with. The Yankees wonderful turnaround, especially if they keep playing well for the remainder of this season, probably has cinched that. Boone's contract is up this year, I'm very curious what the Yankees will offer him in his next one, presuming they do so.


I also would not trust Hal with pure baseball decisions, as I don't believe he has sufficient baseball knowledge to make them. Levine has also not come across to me in a good way. Don't see him as a baseball guy as such either.  

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