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4 months ago  ::  Aug 25, 2021 - 4:20PM #21
Rob
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Aug 25, 2021 -- 2:03PM, jimwest wrote:


Aug 25, 2021 -- 8:20AM, luvdayanks wrote:


Aug 24, 2021 -- 11:56PM, jimwest wrote:


Boone got lucky.  Peralta was warming for insurance if Chapman blew the save.  If he was warming someone to come in to pitch to Freeman with the score 5-4, it damn well should have been Loaisaga or Green.  Peralta was the wrong matchup in that situation and the book agrees if you look at the Peralta v. Freeman history.




Loaisiga wasn't available tonight, pitched two games in a row and Green already pitched in the seventh and eighth. 




The Yankees were off Sunday, and Loaisiga had not pitched since last Tuesday, Aug.17th, so he had a lot of rest. He only pitched last night, so with an off day tomorrow, he should have been available.


Boone caught a break - he should have had JoLo ready to pitch to a dangerous hitter like Albies. In fact, he should have pulled Chapman after the 4 pitch walk to the pinch hitter before Albies.


 



I thought Boone made the right move with Peralta, although if indeed Loaisiga was available he could have gone that way but I thought I heard Loaisiga wasn't available. Maybe it was pitch count having pitched two innings. Bottom line, Boone shouldn't be put in that position by our closer. Second time in a week he's had to pull Chapman. Way too inconsistent to have any confidence with him.




He did seemingly make the right move with Peralta vs Freeman, as it just worked out. But even letting a hitter of Freeman's stature get to the plate with the game on the line was a mistake. As NW posted, the Perlata vs Freeman history indicated that was the wrong move.


While true that Chapman's poor pitching is what caused it, the fact is he has not been right for a while now, and should be inserted in low leverage situations only until when/if he gets right. As soon as he walked that batter on 4 straight pitches, it was obvious to anyone that he didn't have it. Chapman loses control of his fastball, he then appears to not have an "out" pitch he can control. 


Boone needs to accept the reality that Chapman now is an unreliable closer, who should have a short leash if he will keep allowing him to close games that are close. I don't share the view that Chapman is so critical to the Yankees for them to win. There are 4 arms in the pen with better ERA's and WHIP's than him. None have the terrible control issues he has. I'd close with Loaisiga or Green. 




Boone made the absolute right decision pulling Chapmanm, though I would argue it should have come after the 4 pitch walk which is often as sign that Chapman is about to totally implode.  That and having Peralta warming up before Chapman started to get into trouble.


But I do not understand Boone's stubborn refusal to use Chapman in non high leverage situations ;ile Friday night and Saturday to allow him to work on whatever his issues are.

4 months ago  ::  Aug 25, 2021 - 4:40PM #22
SSBob
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Aug 25, 2021 -- 4:20PM, Rob wrote:


Boone made the absolute right decision pulling Chapmanm, though I would argue it should have come after the 4 pitch walk which is often as sign that Chapman is about to totally implode.  That and having Peralta warming up before Chapman started to get into trouble.


But I do not understand Boone's stubborn refusal to use Chapman in non high leverage situations ;ile Friday night and Saturday to allow him to work on whatever his issues are.




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Agree that Chapman should be used in non-high leverage situations for the time being...there really is no other option. But eventually he's gonna have to be thrown into the fire, and his performance in less stressful situations is no assurance he'll carry that thru to closing.

4 months ago  ::  Aug 25, 2021 - 5:07PM #23
Paterson
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Aug 25, 2021 -- 4:40PM, SSBob wrote:


Aug 25, 2021 -- 4:20PM, Rob wrote:


Boone made the absolute right decision pulling Chapmanm, though I would argue it should have come after the 4 pitch walk which is often as sign that Chapman is about to totally implode.  That and having Peralta warming up before Chapman started to get into trouble.


But I do not understand Boone's stubborn refusal to use Chapman in non high leverage situations ;ile Friday night and Saturday to allow him to work on whatever his issues are.




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Agree that Chapman should be used in non-high leverage situations for the time being...there really is no other option. But eventually he's gonna have to be thrown into the fire, and his performance in less stressful situations is no assurance he'll carry that thru to closing.




     And that is the real concern. An old acquaintance of mine was a well known manager of boxers. More than once he remarked that once a bxer got knocked out, he was never the same. Maybe some of that happens to closers. A lot of this stuff is confidence. 

4 months ago  ::  Aug 25, 2021 - 5:26PM #24
bumper
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Aug 25, 2021 -- 4:40PM, SSBob wrote:


Aug 25, 2021 -- 4:20PM, Rob wrote:


Boone made the absolute right decision pulling Chapmanm, though I would argue it should have come after the 4 pitch walk which is often as sign that Chapman is about to totally implode.  That and having Peralta warming up before Chapman started to get into trouble.


But I do not understand Boone's stubborn refusal to use Chapman in non high leverage situations ;ile Friday night and Saturday to allow him to work on whatever his issues are.




~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Agree that Chapman should be used in non-high leverage situations for the time being...there really is no other option. But eventually he's gonna have to be thrown into the fire, and his performance in less stressful situations is no assurance he'll carry that thru to closing.




chapman looked pretty much like the "old" chapman (in a good way) the previous night and even for the 1st 2 outs last night. then he suddenly lost it. goes into search mode and can't find it. maybe it's a matter of reps. boone just has to pick his spots better.

4 months ago  ::  Aug 25, 2021 - 5:35PM #25
newinn
Posts: 38,002
Chapman is the closer
This is a better team when he is effective. Bullpen is already shorter with Britton hurt. Going to need Chapman for the stretch run and the playoffs. Just my opinion of course.
4 months ago  ::  Aug 25, 2021 - 5:35PM #26
newinn
Posts: 38,002
Chapman is the closer
This is a better team when he is effective. Bullpen is already shorter with Britton hurt. Going to need Chapman for the stretch run and the playoffs. Just my opinion of course.
4 months ago  ::  Aug 25, 2021 - 5:42PM #27
luvdayanks
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Aug 25, 2021 -- 5:26PM, bumper wrote:


Aug 25, 2021 -- 4:40PM, SSBob wrote:


Aug 25, 2021 -- 4:20PM, Rob wrote:


Boone made the absolute right decision pulling Chapmanm, though I would argue it should have come after the 4 pitch walk which is often as sign that Chapman is about to totally implode.  That and having Peralta warming up before Chapman started to get into trouble.


But I do not understand Boone's stubborn refusal to use Chapman in non high leverage situations ;ile Friday night and Saturday to allow him to work on whatever his issues are.




~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Agree that Chapman should be used in non-high leverage situations for the time being...there really is no other option. But eventually he's gonna have to be thrown into the fire, and his performance in less stressful situations is no assurance he'll carry that thru to closing.




chapman looked pretty much like the "old" chapman (in a good way) the previous night and even for the 1st 2 outs last night. then he suddenly lost it. goes into search mode and can't find it. maybe it's a matter of reps. boone just has to pick his spots better.




A couple of years ago, Chapman threw exclusively fastballs 100+ mph and could locate. Here it is hit it. Ever since he introduced the slider and splitter, it appears to me he can't locate as well and doesn't rely as much on his best pitch, the heater. It would be interesting to see what the breakdown of usage is compared to a couple of years ago.

4 months ago  ::  Aug 25, 2021 - 5:45PM #28
luvdayanks
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Aug 25, 2021 -- 5:35PM, newinn wrote:

Chapman is the closer This is a better team when he is effective. Bullpen is already shorter with Britton hurt. Going to need Chapman for the stretch run and the playoffs. Just my opinion of course.




Laughing I see what you did there.Surprised

4 months ago  ::  Aug 25, 2021 - 5:46PM #29
SSBob
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Aug 25, 2021 -- 5:07PM, Paterson wrote:


Aug 25, 2021 -- 4:40PM, SSBob wrote:


Aug 25, 2021 -- 4:20PM, Rob wrote:


Boone made the absolute right decision pulling Chapmanm, though I would argue it should have come after the 4 pitch walk which is often as sign that Chapman is about to totally implode.  That and having Peralta warming up before Chapman started to get into trouble.


But I do not understand Boone's stubborn refusal to use Chapman in non high leverage situations ;ile Friday night and Saturday to allow him to work on whatever his issues are.




~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Agree that Chapman should be used in non-high leverage situations for the time being...there really is no other option. But eventually he's gonna have to be thrown into the fire, and his performance in less stressful situations is no assurance he'll carry that thru to closing.




     And that is the real concern. An old acquaintance of mine was a well known manager of boxers. More than once he remarked that once a bxer got knocked out, he was never the same. Maybe some of that happens to closers. A lot of this stuff is confidence. 




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Chapman has shown the ability to bounce back. The HRs he gave up to Rajai Davis & Jose Altuve might've devasted another pitcher, but he returned to be an effective closer.


Confidence is definitely a factor, and he definitely doesn't seem to have it lately. It almost looks like he's reluctant to challenge hitters with his fastball in do or die situations.


 

4 months ago  ::  Aug 25, 2021 - 5:46PM #30
newinn
Posts: 38,002
I think he had to add pitches luv. He'll everybody throws 100mph. Like bumper said, he sure looked good Monday.
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