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Robo-umps in the minors
4 months ago  ::  Aug 27, 2021 - 3:57AM #1
Jon
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4 months ago  ::  Aug 27, 2021 - 8:11AM #2
bumper
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hopefully soon. watching the calls on judge and gallo last nite was infuriating. no wonder boone went crazy - shades of billy the kid. and it did light a fire under the team. yeah it's entertaining watching the manager go **** but would trade that in to get every call right. and yeah they even out but why should we celebrate calls "evening out". give me R2D2 ...

4 months ago  ::  Aug 27, 2021 - 11:27AM #3
yankoldfan
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Some of the umpiring has been terrible to say the best this year, that guy last night was at the top of being terrible, I'm for Robo Umps, give it a try, but still players have to be able to recognize strikes from balls, Judge swung at a couple terrible pitches last night, but he did drive in the winning run, so all is well...

4 months ago  ::  Aug 27, 2021 - 12:13PM #4
Raymond757
Posts: 10,341

Aug 27, 2021 -- 11:27AM, yankoldfan wrote:


Some of the umpiring has been terrible to say the best this year, that guy last night was at the top of being terrible, I'm for Robo Umps, give it a try, but still players have to be able to recognize strikes from balls, Judge swung at a couple terrible pitches last night, but he did drive in the winning run, so all is well...



Judge goes fishing a lot...but like you said he did drove in the winning run

4 months ago  ::  Aug 27, 2021 - 3:21PM #5
bumper
Posts: 10,551

Aug 27, 2021 -- 11:27AM, yankoldfan wrote:


Some of the umpiring has been terrible to say the best this year, that guy last night was at the top of being terrible, I'm for Robo Umps, give it a try, but still players have to be able to recognize strikes from balls, Judge swung at a couple terrible pitches last night, but he did drive in the winning run, so all is well...




when the umps are calling all sorts of pitches outside the zone strikes, the batter (judge in this case) doesn't know what he should be swinging at.

4 months ago  ::  Aug 27, 2021 - 4:06PM #6
NW
Posts: 3,513

Aug 27, 2021 -- 3:21PM, bumper wrote:


Aug 27, 2021 -- 11:27AM, yankoldfan wrote:


Some of the umpiring has been terrible to say the best this year, that guy last night was at the top of being terrible, I'm for Robo Umps, give it a try, but still players have to be able to recognize strikes from balls, Judge swung at a couple terrible pitches last night, but he did drive in the winning run, so all is well...




when the umps are calling all sorts of pitches outside the zone strikes, the batter (judge in this case) doesn't know what he should be swinging at.




The pitch that Boone argued to ejection last night was 0.53 inches from being in the zone per MLB processing.  Sure, it's a missed call but it wasn't something so egregious to have resulted in an ejection, especially early in the game in a relatively unimportant situation.  The umpires, especially the younger ones, have been much more accurate to what MLB wants them calling than they have been in the past.  From what I've seen of the robo-umps, the consensus is that they are calling a lot of pitches that nobody wants called strikes (imagine a Randy Johnson slider that just tips the outside corner at the front of the plate and is caught well into the batter's box).  I think a good middle ground between robo-umps and having to live with a missed call is to institute a challenge system.  Each manager gets to challenge 3 pitches per game.  It adds a bit of strategy for game situation and not wanting to waste a challenge on a strike call in the second inning with nobody on.  


The issue with the current strike zone evaluation systems is that they often disagree with themselves.  Even when they do agree, MLB processes each close pitch after the game to refine the zone for each player.  Because the strike zone is based upon the batter's "natural stance", the top and bottom of the zone often change from game to game and week to week based on a player changing their stance.  Until they get a system that doesn't change the call 12 hours later when some computer gets to run its algorithm, the robo-ump probably isn't going to be a good thing.

4 months ago  ::  Aug 27, 2021 - 4:15PM #7
GottaGoToMo
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Aug 27, 2021 -- 4:06PM, NW wrote:


Aug 27, 2021 -- 3:21PM, bumper wrote:


Aug 27, 2021 -- 11:27AM, yankoldfan wrote:


Some of the umpiring has been terrible to say the best this year, that guy last night was at the top of being terrible, I'm for Robo Umps, give it a try, but still players have to be able to recognize strikes from balls, Judge swung at a couple terrible pitches last night, but he did drive in the winning run, so all is well...




when the umps are calling all sorts of pitches outside the zone strikes, the batter (judge in this case) doesn't know what he should be swinging at.




The pitch that Boone argued to ejection last night was 0.53 inches from being in the zone per MLB processing.  Sure, it's a missed call but it wasn't something so egregious to have resulted in an ejection, especially early in the game in a relatively unimportant situation.  The umpires, especially the younger ones, have been much more accurate to what MLB wants them calling than they have been in the past.  From what I've seen of the robo-umps, the consensus is that they are calling a lot of pitches that nobody wants called strikes (imagine a Randy Johnson slider that just tips the outside corner at the front of the plate and is caught well into the batter's box).  I think a good middle ground between robo-umps and having to live with a missed call is to institute a challenge system.  Each manager gets to challenge 3 pitches per game.  It adds a bit of strategy for game situation and not wanting to waste a challenge on a strike call in the second inning with nobody on.  


The issue with the current strike zone evaluation systems is that they often disagree with themselves.  Even when they do agree, MLB processes each close pitch after the game to refine the zone for each player.  Because the strike zone is based upon the batter's "natural stance", the top and bottom of the zone often change from game to game and week to week based on a player changing their stance.  Until they get a system that doesn't change the call 12 hours later when some computer gets to run its algorithm, the robo-ump probably isn't going to be a good thing.




MORE CHALLENGES?  What are you drinking?  

4 months ago  ::  Aug 27, 2021 - 5:12PM #8
bumper
Posts: 10,551

Aug 27, 2021 -- 4:06PM, NW wrote:


Aug 27, 2021 -- 3:21PM, bumper wrote:


Aug 27, 2021 -- 11:27AM, yankoldfan wrote:


Some of the umpiring has been terrible to say the best this year, that guy last night was at the top of being terrible, I'm for Robo Umps, give it a try, but still players have to be able to recognize strikes from balls, Judge swung at a couple terrible pitches last night, but he did drive in the winning run, so all is well...




when the umps are calling all sorts of pitches outside the zone strikes, the batter (judge in this case) doesn't know what he should be swinging at.




The pitch that Boone argued to ejection last night was 0.53 inches from being in the zone per MLB processing.  Sure, it's a missed call but it wasn't something so egregious to have resulted in an ejection, especially early in the game in a relatively unimportant situation.  The umpires, especially the younger ones, have been much more accurate to what MLB wants them calling than they have been in the past.  From what I've seen of the robo-umps, the consensus is that they are calling a lot of pitches that nobody wants called strikes (imagine a Randy Johnson slider that just tips the outside corner at the front of the plate and is caught well into the batter's box).  I think a good middle ground between robo-umps and having to live with a missed call is to institute a challenge system.  Each manager gets to challenge 3 pitches per game.  It adds a bit of strategy for game situation and not wanting to waste a challenge on a strike call in the second inning with nobody on.  


The issue with the current strike zone evaluation systems is that they often disagree with themselves.  Even when they do agree, MLB processes each close pitch after the game to refine the zone for each player.  Because the strike zone is based upon the batter's "natural stance", the top and bottom of the zone often change from game to game and week to week based on a player changing their stance.  Until they get a system that doesn't change the call 12 hours later when some computer gets to run its algorithm, the robo-ump probably isn't going to be a good thing.




gallo getting rung up on another pitch out of the zone was the first one. then judge pushed boone over the edge. think it did effect the game as it fired the yankees up and perhaps the ump tightened it up a bit. and please no more challenges.

4 months ago  ::  Aug 27, 2021 - 9:17PM #9
davis2
Posts: 19,143

Aug 27, 2021 -- 3:21PM, bumper wrote:


Aug 27, 2021 -- 11:27AM, yankoldfan wrote:


Some of the umpiring has been terrible to say the best this year, that guy last night was at the top of being terrible, I'm for Robo Umps, give it a try, but still players have to be able to recognize strikes from balls, Judge swung at a couple terrible pitches last night, but he did drive in the winning run, so all is well...




when the umps are calling all sorts of pitches outside the zone strikes, the batter (judge in this case) doesn't know what he should be swinging at.



Absolutely!!!

3 months ago  ::  Aug 28, 2021 - 2:22PM #10
jimwest
Posts: 4,793


Aug 27, 2021 -- 4:06PM, NW wrote:


The pitch that Boone argued to ejection last night was 0.53 inches from being in the zone per MLB processing.  Sure, it's a missed call but it wasn't something so egregious to have resulted in an ejection, especially early in the game in a relatively unimportant situation.  The umpires, especially the younger ones, have been much more accurate to what MLB wants them calling than they have been in the past.  From what I've seen of the robo-umps, the consensus is that they are calling a lot of pitches that nobody wants called strikes (imagine a Randy Johnson slider that just tips the outside corner at the front of the plate and is caught well into the batter's box).  I think a good middle ground between robo-umps and having to live with a missed call is to institute a challenge system.  Each manager gets to challenge 3 pitches per game.  It adds a bit of strategy for game situation and not wanting to waste a challenge on a strike call in the second inning with nobody on.  


The issue with the current strike zone evaluation systems is that they often disagree with themselves.  Even when they do agree, MLB processes each close pitch after the game to refine the zone for each player.  Because the strike zone is based upon the batter's "natural stance", the top and bottom of the zone often change from game to game and week to week based on a player changing their stance.  Until they get a system that doesn't change the call 12 hours later when some computer gets to run its algorithm, the robo-ump probably isn't going to be a good thing.




Not especially a fan of potential robo umps in MLB. I'd have to see them in action to make a completely informed opinion. I've always been of the opinion that bad calls go both ways over the course of a season.


You make some good points. Additional challenges might work, maybe just 2 per game on balls and strikes. MLB also needs to speed up the process. Most of the challenges are seen as yes or no fairly quickly, but most of the time it takes too long.

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