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4 months ago  ::  Oct 10, 2021 - 10:08PM #31
dixieyank
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This team stunk, and outside of the absolute outlier winning streak near the end of the season, this team was a 4th place team by a mile in their own division.


At no time did it feel like this team was winning a title. It backed into the WC game. It was a sad display of what is supposed to be the greatest franchise in history. But at least Hal got to reset the LuxCap and turn a big profit. 


This team used to think titles. Now they just think of trying to get to the WC game. How many pennants do they have in the past 20 years??


Yeah, that's right. They have settled for less.


Wonder what this will feel like if the Sox win another title? We'll see.......

4 months ago  ::  Oct 10, 2021 - 10:37PM #32
Paterson
Posts: 7,379

Oct 10, 2021 -- 10:08PM, dixieyank wrote:


This team stunk, and outside of the absolute outlier winning streak near the end of the season, this team was a 4th place team by a mile in their own division.


At no time did it feel like this team was winning a title. It backed into the WC game. It was a sad display of what is supposed to be the greatest franchise in history. But at least Hal got to reset the LuxCap and turn a big profit. 


This team used to think titles. Now they just think of trying to get to the WC game. How many pennants do they have in the past 20 years??


Yeah, that's right. They have settled for less.


Wonder what this will feel like if the Sox win another title? We'll see.......




    I guess it will feel pretty routine. Cashman has gotten us accustomed to losing. 

4 months ago  ::  Oct 11, 2021 - 11:42AM #33
1955nyyfan
Posts: 2,935

While I understand the sentiment from fans who were thankful for an exciting season and can't help feeling this was a very dissapointing season. Primarily, because we were a team that went into the season with a couple question marks and they remain unanswered or it is beginning to look like the answer is not the one we had hoped for.  Cashman's major rebuild which started in 2017 and included Judge, Sanchez, Bird, Torres, Andujar and Fraizer is looking more and more like a failure. Arguably, only one of the aforementioned players even has a role moving forward and it is being debated as to if we can afford him long term. Have we added a single young impact player from the farm since 2017? Possibly there is someone I have forgotten. 


This season also showed the regression of Luke Voit, DJL and Urshela. Perhaps injury played some role here but it's fair to question if Voit is still a fit and what level of a rebound we can expect from the others. Our major move was to add an outfielder who strikes out more than 40% of the time and despite coming with a reputation as a good glove at times looked suspect defensively. 


We are a team that was near the league lead in errors, running mistakes, struggled advancing runners or scoring them from 3rd base with less than 2 outs,  and too many times had players criticized for what looked like a lack of hustle.


The bullpen was pretty solid, but we lost Britton for most of if not all of next year and both Chappy and Green have started to show signs of wear that have resulted in inconsistencies. 


So, we are heading into another season asking ourselves some of the same questions we had at the beginning of this season. Who is our SS, is Sanchez our everyday C, can Hicks stay healthy, do we have a legitimite number 2 starter, what do we have in Torres, etc. And while this may anger some, it may be fair to question what we have in Cole. Is he a true number 1 shutdown ace who was hampered by a bad hammy, or a guy who is finding it more difficult to pitch without the sticky stuff? And all this for just over $200mm. 


We keep hearing there are some impact players at positions of need at the farm, but they always seem to be a year or two away. This will be another important offseason for the Yankees. Does Cash look for stop gap fixes at SS, C, and CF and wait on the kids or does he make a splash in free agency? 


Sorry if I'm sounding really negative but I'm just really feeling like this team is in a bad place right now with no easy path forward. If we continue the same approach forward that got us here, I fear things get worse before they get better. 

4 months ago  ::  Oct 11, 2021 - 1:03PM #34
bumper
Posts: 10,567

Oct 11, 2021 -- 11:42AM, 1955nyyfan wrote:


While I understand the sentiment from fans who were thankful for an exciting season and can't help feeling this was a very dissapointing season. Primarily, because we were a team that went into the season with a couple question marks and they remain unanswered or it is beginning to look like the answer is not the one we had hoped for.  Cashman's major rebuild which started in 2017 and included Judge, Sanchez, Bird, Torres, Andujar and Fraizer is looking more and more like a failure. Arguably, only one of the aforementioned players even has a role moving forward and it is being debated as to if we can afford him long term. Have we added a single young impact player from the farm since 2017? Possibly there is someone I have forgotten. 


This season also showed the regression of Luke Voit, DJL and Urshela. Perhaps injury played some role here but it's fair to question if Voit is still a fit and what level of a rebound we can expect from the others. Our major move was to add an outfielder who strikes out more than 40% of the time and despite coming with a reputation as a good glove at times looked suspect defensively. 


We are a team that was near the league lead in errors, running mistakes, struggled advancing runners or scoring them from 3rd base with less than 2 outs,  and too many times had players criticized for what looked like a lack of hustle.


The bullpen was pretty solid, but we lost Britton for most of if not all of next year and both Chappy and Green have started to show signs of wear that have resulted in inconsistencies. 


So, we are heading into another season asking ourselves some of the same questions we had at the beginning of this season. Who is our SS, is Sanchez our everyday C, can Hicks stay healthy, do we have a legitimite number 2 starter, what do we have in Torres, etc. And while this may anger some, it may be fair to question what we have in Cole. Is he a true number 1 shutdown ace who was hampered by a bad hammy, or a guy who is finding it more difficult to pitch without the sticky stuff? And all this for just over $200mm. 


We keep hearing there are some impact players at positions of need at the farm, but they always seem to be a year or two away. This will be another important offseason for the Yankees. Does Cash look for stop gap fixes at SS, C, and CF and wait on the kids or does he make a splash in free agency? 


Sorry if I'm sounding really negative but I'm just really feeling like this team is in a bad place right now with no easy path forward. If we continue the same approach forward that got us here, I fear things get worse before they get better. 




this season was a massive underachievement at every position except LF and DH. the promise of the "baby" bombers has past excepting judge & maybe sevy, so think we need to start a rebuild in that direction - new baby bombers.


of course, we can go the free agent route and get the best available player at certain positions. for example semien, marte, etc. and if the payroll is $250, 275, 300 mil, that's management's call. but given how that has worked (not) in the past, don't see them going in that direction.


but not a fan of the "band-aid" approach and not particularly interested in waiting for a bounce back year from certain players. rather see us move our best tradeable players, be it gleyber, voit, whoever and start a pipeline of getting younger, more athletic, multi-dimensional players like the rays, while of course still maintaining one of the highest payrolls. philosophically the organization needs a top-to bottom makeover. the entire system is rotten at the core and if that means a down year or two, then so be it. of course that has never been the team's modus. so we will see.


very surprised we haven't heard anything from either cash or hal. usually they've said something by now.

4 months ago  ::  Oct 12, 2021 - 12:21PM #35
Jon
Posts: 5,045
Cashman has done less with the budget the Yanks have of ANY team.
4 months ago  ::  Oct 12, 2021 - 12:21PM #36
Jon
Posts: 5,045
Cashman has done less with the budget the Yanks have of ANY team.
4 months ago  ::  Oct 12, 2021 - 12:21PM #37
Jon
Posts: 5,045
Cashman has done less with the budget the Yanks have of ANY team.
4 months ago  ::  Oct 12, 2021 - 12:34PM #38
luvdayanks
Posts: 30,748

Oct 12, 2021 -- 12:21PM, Jon wrote:

Cashman has done less with the budget the Yanks have of ANY team.




Once wasn't enough?? There's a delete function you know?

4 months ago  ::  Oct 12, 2021 - 12:36PM #39
Jon
Posts: 5,045
Try posting on a cellphone.
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